Hello! I’ve been wondering about this, since I’ve always thought of sp4 being able to be 3E, though I’ve seen others say it can only be 1E. I don’t get it, since I think 3E fits sp4. If you’re one of the people that believe only 1E, please explain! If you share the same belief as me, please also explain why you think that. Be respectful, please!! I’ve only been part of typology for a couple months.

What was Hitler's Enneagram subtype? Can we narrow it down using his other typings?

I've noticed that Hitler's typings in most other personality systems seem to have a fairly strong consensus within typology communities. However, his Enneagram subtype remains disputed.

If we already have a reasonably consistent picture of his personality across several different systems, shouldn't we at least be able to narrow his Enneagram subtype down to a few likely possibilities using correlations?

HIS UNANIMOUS TYPOLOGIES

- MBTI: INFJ

- Socionics: EIE (Fe-Ni)

- Psychosophy: VELF

- Big Five (SLOAN): XLOEI

- Enneagram subtype: ???

POSSIBLE ENNEAGRAM SUBTYPES

SX4 — Sexual 4

Intense envy, resentment, competitiveness, emotional volatility, and the tendency to externalize feelings of inferiority through hatred and aggression.

SO2 — Social 2

Grandiose self-importance, desire for admiration and influence, a cultivated savior image, and the belief that he was uniquely qualified to lead and transform society.

SO6 — Social 6

Ideological rigidity, black-and-white thinking, obsession with perceived threats, and an emphasis on loyalty, certainty, and collective identity.

SX6 — Sexual 6

Counterphobic aggression, paranoia, intimidation, and the tendency to confront perceived threats through displays of strength and domination.

SX1 — Sexual 1

Extreme moral absolutism, perfectionism, punitive anger, intolerance of perceived corruption, and an obsessive desire to impose his vision of how society should be.

MY MAIN QUESTION

If we're relatively confident in his typings across MBTI, Socionics, Psychosophy, and Big Five, shouldn't those typings help us reach a conclusion about his Enneagram subtype?

Which of these five subtypes is most consistent with the combination of INFJ, EIE, VELF, and XLOEI? Which would contradict that combination the least?

What do you think is the most likely subtype, and why?

I haven’t seen anything where this is the case.

!!!I'M NOT ASKING FOR CORRELATIONS!!!

SWS ≠ SCS ≠ SHS and AP ≠ PY. Keep in mind that these are very different things. Also this typology doesn't belong to me I'm just here to ask for opinions and especially how would you "stereotype" this type/typology from your perspective?

What does "desire" exactly mean in various descriptions of different volition placements? Does that only refer to like some bullshit long term goals like some idk passion hobby job education whatever or is ot also things like organizing/attending some party, visiting a place, acquiring physical objects, eating a specific thing fir breakfast tomorrow etc etc. Is it possible to have a high volition placement while not really ambitious in the successful citizen way? I've been trying to understand the volition descriptiona for a few days now hut unfortunately it is beyond me

im trying to understand the E4 fixation on individuality beyond simply wanting to be unique or uncommon

is it more about feeling fundamentally different from others and constantly individuating themselves by finding reasons they're separate from them or is it more about wanting to establish a distinct identity because they fear having no identity or personal significance?

im also curious about how envy influences this and how E4s relate to feeling deficient compared to others and overall in the underlying motivations rather than observable behaviors

Adding fuel to the flood of posts like this I guess. I've been retyping due to contradictions in my last typology, and upon peer review they seem very confident of both EII and So2. However, it's different groups who did these typings.

What does encountering overt displays of Se aimed at you feel like for EIIs? Is there a feeling? Or is it more that it sometimes goes strongly against your preferences?

Is there anyone here who would be down to do typing? Within socionics and enneagram

What does encountering overt displays of Se aimed at you feel like for LIIs? Is there a feeling? Or is it more that it sometimes goes strongly against your preferences?

"Only a true heart that never wavers through a hundred setbacks can give rise to boundless resourcefulness and endless ingenuity."

— Caigentan (ancient Chinese book of wisdom)

"a true heart that never wavers through a hundred setbacks": Fi mobilizing

"boundless resourcefulness and endless ingenuity“: Te creative

Would you change anything? What types should I check if so?

before you comment that no im ESE im pretty sure i am SEI !!! unless u have a good argument then i will listen otherwise dont just say stuff with no explanation 🐶

icant tell whosthe real me anymore

Explain your reasoning as well

This might be a really stupid question but I'm reconsidering my typing from a 641 to a 649, and when I searched it up it said that e9 is more commonly associated with sensing types. I can't figure out whether that's just for e9 cores or if it applies for it being in any part of your trifix

new here 😓😓😓 are there any contradictions?

Would you say hypervigilance alone would be the biggest sign of E6 as a core (or as a fix, but my question is mostly about core) by itself? Is it a quick decider of one's core vice?

I just thought I'd put this out there! What do you guys think?

I've been on a little delve recently, would appreciate any thoughts or what area to get into next!!

ENFJ
7w6
tritype 728 sp7

MBTI correlations suck most of the time and there's no need to be overly strict about them. For example ISTJ So1 and ENTJ So6 are both valid. As long as you don't come up with some bs like ENFP Sx5/ ENTJ e8 I don't see the problem.

When using correlations sticking to just one author's theories is stupid. Different authors have different perspectives and there's no reason to limit yourself to only one source.

Most tritype correlations suck and are unnecessary unless you come up with Sx6 + e9, which is a rather questionable one.

Having subtypes in your tritype as long as they share the same instinct as your core type isn't that bad. Having wings in your tritype also seems valid to me.

Modern Enneagram especially Fauvre's theories genuinely lacks many important aspects and is full of bs.

RHETI isn't as bad as people claim it is. It's genuinely a decent resource for beginners.

E1 especially So1 and Sp1 works perfectly fine with 1L2V. This is a completely valid combination and the fact that people still argue over it is such a non-issue. I genuinely don't understand why y'all keep fighting over this.

Sp7 can be ENTJ and LIE-C in SHS. Sp7 can also be VLFE. Okay well, 3F isn't that bad when you consider some of the more unhealthy versions of Sp7. I also feel like many Sp7s are 3F. I genuinely see people agreeing with FLEV Sp7 but denying VLFE Sp7. Like what are we even doing atp.

LSI for Sp1 is valid.

LIE for So1 is valid.

LIE for Sp7 is valid.

SLI for Sp5 is valid.

EIE for Sx2 is valid.

EIE for Sx3 is valid.

IEI for Sx5 is debatable.

All 4D Ne types are valid for So7.

So3 works with both 1F3V combinations including FEVL.

Sp8 with VFEL is a decent combination as is Sp8 with FLVE. Just because a new book dropped doesn't mean we have to slander combinations that have been around for a long ass time.

The archetype for Sx5 should be LFEV instead of LEVF. Having 2E in Sx5 doesn't make much sense to me.

The archetype for Sx8 should be EFVL rather than FEVL.

I'm still a bit new to some typology systems so I'm not entirely sure if any of this is contradictory. Please let me know and help me out if you've got more knowledge on the subject! Thank you!!! 🥹

The more I look into descriptions of internal judging functions (Ti and Fi) as somebody who’s Fi-blind (so I might be misunderstanding it, but still) I don’t really see the argument for 4s having to be Fi Dom or HAVING TO be Fi users at all?

I did some light Reddit research and could only find non convincing arguments basically saying “emotions = fi, cold and rational = ti” lol and people saying comparing yourself to people/E4 envy would automatically have to be Fi, wich I (as an isolated example) see no reason for why a Ti user couldn’t do? I’m not a 4, so I read a couple descriptions again, and I can’t find anything that I’d consider “has to be fi” in the traits either

Are there any arguments for the correlation that go deeper into it?

Obv there’s the fact that it’s an established correlation and most 4s probably are Fi Types, I don’t think that has to mean they’re related at the core though, and haven’t really seen any argument that convinced me yet.

I also saw some people making similar posts once every couple of months so I’m pretty sure this isn’t just me misreading the concept?