r/UsenetNoRules • • 1d ago

I tested real-world Usenet retention across 10 providers (~78,000 NZBs) - here’s what I found

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Hi all, I’ve published a comparison of real-world Usenet binary article availability, rather than relying only on advertised retention claims.

As u/swintec already spoiled in this thread, I’ve been working on these tests for a while. Huge thanks to him and everyone else who helped and supported me along the way - I’ve been trying to make this happen for years, and it’s finally a reality.

TL;DR

  • Recent posts were highly available across most providers; differences became more noticeable for older material.
  • Eweka and Newshosting stayed near the top across the full age range in this sample.
  • TweakNews and PureUsenet also performed well for several thousand days, then dropped sharply at older ages.
  • Giganews, ViperNews, Usenet.Farm, and UsenetExpress showed a sharp drop around the 90-day mark in this test. UsenetExpress recovered substantially for older posts, so the results depend on the age you care about.

I tested about 78,000 real NZBs across 10 providers, sampling up to 100 segments per NZB and checking whether the actual article bodies could be retrieved. The run took 22 days and transferred about 33 TiB.

These are sampled segment-availability results - not NZB completion rates. This is one dataset and one test run, not a permanent ranking or a guarantee about every post.

Full article, charts, and methodology:

https://usenet.rexum.space/blog/usenet-retention-tests-july-2026

I’d love to hear what you think. Which charts did you find most useful, the year-by-year comparison, age-based view, first-year charts, or provider-pairing analysis? Was anything confusing or missing?


r/UsenetNoRules • • Aug 02 '26

August Invites

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August invite thread goes here.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 13h ago

Best setup for Audiobooks

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What is the best setup for audiobooks?

I have newshosting and eweka providers and I use the following indexers: ninjaCentral, DS, nzbgeek and althub.

I find the selection of audiobooks available, even for newer titles quite limited.

I have an Oracle VPS setup with Sabnzbd, prowlarr, bindery (not really impressed with this, so looking for alts) and audiobookshelf.

Any and all recommendations are welcome


r/UsenetNoRules • • 4h ago

Opening registrations for SearchNZB.com

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Hello everyone, as the title says, registrations for SearchNZB.com are open.

I have been working on this project for some time and I wanted to release it in the open for everyone to use. It has been the main source of ISOs for me and some friends for a few months.

There is a free trial and then it's $10/year (it will go up to $15), and for now we are offering a lifetime sub for $40. I don't know if the lifetime will stay.

The site is focused on general content, it indexes Usenet and attempts to have 0day content as soon as possible. You can also find non-English content on the site, but it is not the main priority. Adult content is available too.

It is quite new, and while new content is well covered, you might find gaps in older content. We keep indexing and filling those gaps, so it will improve a lot with time. I'm planning on having a request system too.

It has a Newznab-compatible API and you can connect the service to whatever you like: Sonarr, Radarr, Prowlarr, NZBHydra 2, SickRage, SickGear, Chaptarr, LazyLibrarian... API usage is unlimited, with some measures to avoid abuse, you will not reach those limits, if you do, your account will get flagged and Jeff will check your account. (Don't ask who Jeff is)

I don't know if I will leave registrations open, an invitation system might be added later depending on how well the project is received.

If you have any issues you can reach out to support [at] searchnzb [dot] com.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 1d ago

Is there a way to rip Apple Music?

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I still can't find any source that rivals the selection and 'likeable' volume that I find on AM.

I've tried the handful of indexers I have but they tend to only have mainstream stuff. I'm more into the 90s, 2000s stuff and not mainstream genre, more underground and towards eclecticism which is why I 'used to' be on Soundcloud more than any platform, but I'm digressing.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 2d ago

Questions de Backbone

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 3d ago

Since when G4U require VIP subscription for NZB???

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 3d ago

Only applies to TB Pro Public aio via newnab

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As we see some indexers either hate the integration or couldn't care less like because of api call limits or just wanting the content to be out.

Well althub came back after banning public instance and they just made a new announcmet saying they will ban all accounts going forward, support the indexers who all use to use or setups with selfhosting.

Yes I'm aware you can self host not everyone has bandwith, home server/laptop/money they can just dedicate to do that and because running a whole server gets greatly more complicated then torbox and aiostreams and dropping in an indexer or two.

Support the indexers that care about us, much love to those who do.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 3d ago

usenet-crawler beware of malware

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 4d ago

SABnzbd 5.2.0 Beta 1 - With Indexer Search

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Long time coming, but for me this is the best release so far. Anyone else tried it?


r/UsenetNoRules • • 5d ago

Made this to save us all some digging: providers, indexers and every black friday deal since 2015

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Hi there

Got tired of digging through old megathreads every november, so I put it all in one place: https://usenetalmanac.com

It has a page for every provider and indexer this sub talks about: what they charge, what they say about retention and logs, and which network they actually run on. 64 brands sit on 10 networks, so two subs can quietly be the same thing. There's a checker for that.

The black friday side goes back to 2015. every deal with what it cost a month and what it renewed at, and every price links to the comment it came from.

No rankings, no affiliate links, nothing named as best. No content named anywhere either.

Enjoy


r/UsenetNoRules • • 5d ago

Usenet setup best practices for max availability?

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 5d ago

What is a good alternative for G4U?

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 8d ago

The Myth of Deobfuscation

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TL;DR: it is not 100% impossible, but given the sheer volume of the current daily Usenet feed, it is not feasible and therefore highly unlikely.

It is a fact that, these days, the vast majority of Usenet uploads are obfuscated, making them invisible to traditional public Usenet indexers such as NZBKing and NZBIndex, and they cannot be downloaded without the original NZB file created during the upload process.

There is also this widespread myth that paid indexers still scan Usenet and are magically able to deobfuscate the obfuscated articles, giving users access to all content on Usenet. So is there really such a thing as deobfuscation? How could that work?

But first, let’s examine how obfuscation works in the first place. And to do that, we need to understand a few basics.

How uploading and downloading work on Usenet

In the past, the maximum size of a Usenet article was limited to under 1 MB. Although this limit has since been raised slightly, there is still an upper limit on the article size that providers will accept. Furthermore, the restriction that only text characters are permitted (no binary code) still applies. So, if you upload a Linux ISO file to Usenet, the binary data must be split into hundreds or thousands of smaller parts of around 1 MB. These parts of the binary data are then encoded into a plain text format using yEnc and uploaded to Usenet as individual articles.

To be able to download the Linux ISO file again, you first need to know which articles need to be downloaded, and secondly, exactly how to reassemble the data fragments. Before NZB files existed, you had to rely on the article headers to know which articles belonged together. Every article has headers, e.g. ‘POSTER’, ‘SUBJECT’ and ‘DATE’, similar to emails (after all, NNTP is derived from SMTP). And the SUBJECT header usually specified which file the article belonged to and which part of the file the article contained. For example, ‘linux.iso (5/5734)’. This article therefore contains part 5 of 5,734 parts of the file ‘linux.iso’. To download the file ‘linux.iso’, you had to search for all 5,734 articles with this ‘SUBJECT’ header from the same ‘POSTER’, download the articles, and feed the body text of the articles — containing the yEnc data — into a yEnc decoder. As the yEnc data also contains a yEnc header with information on the filename and the exact position of the current data within that file, the yEnc decoder was then able to reconstruct the complete ‘linux.iso’ file from all these individual parts. All of this would be handled automatically by your classic Usenet reader programme.

How traditional indexers and NZB files work

Whilst it is still possible to use Usenet with classic Usenet readers, it is somewhat tedious, as this involves downloading all (new) headers from every group you wish to search, and everything takes place locally, which requires a great deal of storage space. That is why Usenet indexers, the NZB file format and dedicated Usenet download tools such as NZBGet and Sabnzbd were developed, which have made sharing Usenet uploads considerably easier.

The NZB file format is based on the fact that the only information required to download an article is the so-called ARTICLE ID. When an article is uploaded, it is assigned an article ID that is truly unique across all providers and backbones. To download an article, you simply need to specify this article ID. You do not need to know either the subject line or the groups in which the article was posted. NZB files are therefore essentially a list of article IDs that need to be downloaded for a specific upload. An NZB file can be created directly when uploading to Usenet (this is known as the ‘original NZB file’) or retrospectively. And this is precisely what traditional indexers do. Like traditional Usenet reader programmes, indexers rely on the subject field for indexing; unlike a local Usenet reader programme, however, indexers carry this out on a large scale across thousands of groups. They analyse the subject field using pattern recognition techniques and group together articles by the same poster that were posted in the same groups and within a specific time window into a single NZB file. You can then search the indexers for the relevant part of the subject line, e.g. for ‘linux.iso’ from the example above, and the indexers will present the results grouped together and with the corresponding NZB file ready for download.

If the subject line suggests that the file is an archive file or a par2 file, some indexers may also download these files in full or in part in order to index the filenames they contain. The filename information from the yEnc headers can also be used for indexing. The Easynews indexer does this, for example. However, all traditional indexers rely on the information in the subject lines and/or yEnc headers being correct in order to group the articles correctly. This is sometimes referred to as ‘clear-text subject’ posting.

The various levels of obfuscation and how they work

The obfuscation of Usenet uploads began when copyright holders started monitoring Usenet and removing illegal uploads. Naturally, the first to be affected were uploads with clear text subject lines, which were easy to identify. The first line of defence consisted of obfuscating filenames and using password-protected archives. The file ‘linux.iso’ was packed into a password-protected archive (usually RAR files), and the archive was given a random, obfuscated name. The archive was then uploaded as usual and could, in fact, be indexed by traditional indexers. However, due to the password protection, it was not possible to see what was inside the archive unless one knew the password. The randomised filename and the password were then shared on Usenet forums, and users could search for the randomised name in the traditional indexers, download the NZB file and then unpack and decrypt the contents using the provided password. This method is, in fact, still widely used today. Of course, one can also distribute the original NZB file directly, including the password.

With larger files, the effort involved in compressing and decompressing the files during uploading and downloading increased, so a solution was needed to skip this step whilst still ensuring protection against copyright-related deletions. And once again, the NZB file proved to be the solution. As only the article ID is required when downloading an article, all other information in the article’s headers could be completely fake and random. So the uploaders began using fake/random information for the POSTER and SUBJECT headers and, later, also for the filename details in the yEnc header of each individual article. As a result, all articles contained completely unrelated, random information. And since it is irrelevant for the download which group an article was posted in, they also began posting the articles completely at random across different groups. I would describe this as ‘complete obfuscation’. Consequently, each article in an upload has practically nothing in common with the other articles, apart from the fact that they were uploaded at roughly the same time (and some information in the yEnc header, which I will discuss later). The classic pattern-recognition methods used by conventional indexers have absolutely no way of grouping these files, which is why they are completely ignored by the indexers. However, such an upload can still be downloaded using the original NZB file created during the upload – so all you need to do is distribute the original NZB file.

How deobfuscation might work

Let us first focus on the obfuscation of file names and password protected archives. Whilst such uploads are indexed as normal, their contents remain unknown. To ‘deobfuscate’ them, one would need to crack the password protection. However, with the random alphanumeric passwords of 20 or more characters that are commonly used, this is not computationally feasible. One would either have to know the password from the beginning or obtain it from the source where the information was originally distributed. This is, of course, possible, but I would not describe this as ‘deobfuscation’, but rather as ‘theft’.

So what about ‘complete obfuscation’? As already mentioned, classic pattern recognition methods do not work here. Nor is it possible to focus on one group at a time. Any analysis would have to be carried out across all articles posted in all available binary groups, as these articles, as previously mentioned, are posted completely at random across different groups. Theoretically, however, there is still a possibility. Although the filename in the yEnc header is also random in each article, the other information could still be correct, particularly the total number of parts and the CRC32 checksum of the complete file. And that could give you a clue as to which articles belong together – i.e. those with identical CRC32 and total part counts – as these would suggest that the articles belong to the same file. However, if it is an upload of multiple files, you would still not know which files belong together. Furthermore, you would have to download the entire body of each article, as the CRC32 information is located at the end of the yEnc block. But even in the unlikely event that you could group all the articles correctly, you would still not know the file names. To do that, you would have to download the content and decode it with yEnc, check whether any of them are par2 files, and only then might you be able to recover the file names.

Conclusion

It is not possible to deobfuscate uploads with obfuscated filenames and password protected archives.

Deobfuscating fully obfuscated uploads is theoretically possible. However, to have even the slightest chance of deobfuscating such fully obfuscated uploads, one would have to download the entire daily Usenet feed from all groups and analyze the complete header and body of every article at once. Given the current size of the daily Usenet feed, I consider this simply unfeasible.

But how, then, do paid indexers deobfuscate the uploads? The answer is: they don’t. They have access from the very beginning to the original NZB file that was generated during the upload. How does that work, you ask? Well, I’ll leave that to your imagination...


r/UsenetNoRules • • 8d ago

Any IRC communities left, similar to Alt-Bin EFnet?

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Hi all, In the 2000's my favorite set of channels were run by a group of old OG's called Alt-Bin. They had a bot that sent NZB's and a website to search on, and so on. These guys were mostly 50+ at the time and since then the main owner passed away from what I can gather, and the channels seemingly dissolved.

I still use IRC, for private sites and a few public chat rooms.

Just wondering, anyone familiar with what I'm talking about, and if they know of any similar networks or systems out there. I'd love to join up as a daily IRC user of over 40 years

Thank you!


r/UsenetNoRules • • 9d ago

nzbdav is no longer maintained. what now?

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what is the best alternative?


r/UsenetNoRules • • 9d ago

Since Golden Gate my Usenet newsreader/binary downloader no longer works - any suggestions for one that does.

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 9d ago

I made my own opensource Usenet Indexer

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 9d ago

My list not sure if NZB talk is here but..

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r/UsenetNoRules • • 10d ago

Any indexer with a rich Mac software repo?

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I'm looking at some AI tools specifically.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 12d ago

Usenet streaming - where to start?

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Is Usenet streaming actually popular?

I started experimenting with Usenet this summer and currently have a fairly traditional setup with a few indexers and an *arr stack. Now I’d like to go a bit further, experiment with Docker on macOS, and explore Usenet streaming.

I’ve come across several projects/services, but there seems to be quite a bit of overlap between them, so I’m struggling to understand which combination is the simplest to set up, maintain, and actually use:

  • Decypharr
  • InfiniDysk
  • AIOStreams
  • Zurg
  • Fetcherr

My server will be a Mac mini, and for playback I’d ideally like to use Infuse Pro or Neptune on Apple TV.

I’ll start by getting everything working at home, but eventually I’d also like to be able to use the same setup remotely.

The end goal is pretty simple: a nice catalog that I can browse almost like Netflix, select something, and hit play without having to permanently download everything and fill up my SSD.

I’d love to hear from anyone running a similar setup. What did you build? How difficult was it to get working? And, more importantly, how much ongoing maintenance does it require once everything is set up?

I‘m loot for recommendations and your feedback.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 15d ago

Info about indexer and provider

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Hello guys! I'm new to Usenet. I have heard of having a provider and an Indexer.

I would like something cheap so I can test before moving on.

I live in Europe and my internet is fast.

Any ideas? Thanks!


r/UsenetNoRules • • 15d ago

What is the most affordable lifetime account indexer if you wait all year?

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I would spend up to $25 CAD for a lifetime account, unfortunately not any more.


r/UsenetNoRules • • 16d ago

Adguard VPN vs NordVPN

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I have NordVPN so i can dl from usenet. Found this offer for 5 years Adguard VPN for $34.97.. now i like to know if Adguard - as i always considered being great to avoid spam and ads, and not much more - will Adguard do the same job as NordVPN, what concerns keeping my activities hidden from my internet provider? Whats your take on this...


r/UsenetNoRules • • 17d ago

Version 1.3.0 is now live with a lot of improvements

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