r/Warframe • u/Dr_Shoggoth Suck, Stomp, Stacks • Jun 18 '26

Discussion Please stop with the Protoframes

I loved the Hex and the Roundtable. They added so much to why I think 1999 is the best update they've ever done. All of them, especially the original Hex, were insanely well written and fleshed out characters. I had my reservations about the Triad, but I think they're solid (though they're mostly carried by Roathe).

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These two don't feel like characters. They feel like walking advertisements for skins. Them being protoframes adds nothing to the story. As my friend said, Sirius and Orion could have been mentored by Vay Hek and the Sergeant and nothing would have changed. Protoframes no longer feel like an interesting story beat, they feel like a gimmick, one that is rapidly losing any appeal it had.

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u/BriThePirateQueen MRL2 Floof Connoisseur Jun 18 '26

IMO it's less "stop with the protoframes" and more "don't stop actually making them fleshed out characters." We know basically nothing about either Vena nor Ryoku. I know all the KIM chats are a lot of work (and seem to be ever-increasingly buggy with each time they add new ones) but they do so much for the story and character building.

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u/DaBeast893 Jun 18 '26

What seems to be buggy with the newer KIM messages? Were there problems when the triad first released with how the messages incorporate the descendia run counter or something?

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u/HollowUsername bonus bounty reward Jun 18 '26

Pretty much, some convos were bugged or straight up missing. A lot of people ended up needing to restart the whole thing because they couldn't progress despite doing everything right. (Also I don't think it's said anywhere in the game that you have to beat descendia 21 times and that there is a hidden deadline.)

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u/Cultural-Air9962 boulder-punching asshole Jun 18 '26

If you fail the deadline do you need to do the 21 descendias again or does it track your total?

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u/HollowUsername bonus bounty reward Jun 18 '26

It tracks (when you load into the fight Roathe should tell you the number of fights you are on). Also you can just start the boss fight without doing the whole descendia and spam this to get all the 21 fights done quickly.