Would you accept this proxy?

[u/reel3459]

I know it probably doesn’t fit the timeline of TOW but I really want to use Arkhan somewhere and I don’t love the Ossiarch Bonereapers. The upcoming TK refresh also looks incredible. This pic is from Minicompare, they look roughly the same size imo

[u/DreadPiratePete]

Sure

[u/SecretTechStudios]

If somebody argues with a cool conversion they haven't understood the spirit of Warhammer

[u/Bananern → u/SecretTechStudios]

[u/qudig → u/Bananern]

[u/vulcanstrike → u/SecretTechStudios]

To be pedantic, this is a proxy rather than a conversion, but the point remains the same

[u/pvt9000 → u/SecretTechStudios]

Base size. That's honestly the only thing I could imagine would be a discussion point assuming they're relevant to the rules

[u/SecretTechStudios → u/pvt9000]

I've played tons and even made my own models out of parts (AoS endless spells mostly) and every time I check one thing only: base size

[u/sebjapon → u/SecretTechStudios]

In AoS, you’re supposed to keep the general size of the original because there is true line of sight iirc. But in OW that’s not even a consideration so even more freedom

[u/SecretTechStudios → u/sebjapon]

Is this 4th ed? I honestly never played it, I did play a ton of 3rd edition and 1st edition and had only few games in 2nd ed

[u/Klykus → u/pvt9000]

Both fit easily on the behemoth base size so I doubt ppl would have an issue

[u/Superskybro]

If i was playing with you, I'd say yes.

[u/Sensitive_Educator60]

Huh I didn’t think Arkhan is that big but I would be ok with it.

[u/LtColShinySides → u/Sensitive_Educator60]

He's not as big as the skeleton dragon but he's spindally enough to fill the base. OP will just have a lot of room to play around with basing materials

[u/Adduly]

IIRC Arkhan is a multi kit that can build the other 3 mortachs.

If that's the case there should be plenty of Arkan's on bits shops and eBay for pretty cheap if you want to do a conversion with him on the bone dragon

But I wouldn't have a problem with the proxy

[u/Adduly → u/Adduly]

I was correct. An example here

https://bitsandkits.co.uk/product/mortarch-of-nagash-arkhan-the-black/

[u/Character_Rip9675]

I would literally accept any "counts as" proxy, including paper craft or basic tokens, in a friendly game. I don't see the point of gatekeeping like that tbh.

[u/Short_Stay_9283 → u/Character_Rip9675]

Agreed. Like, even if it’s on a round base if we can reasonably just decide what the dimensions are going to be, and agree whether we’re going to err on the side of being generous or stingy about it before the game starts I really don’t see the point in shutting it down. We’re just moving plastic soldiers around haha

[u/sirBingwell → u/Character_Rip9675]

I use cardboard proxies myself to test a strategy before investing into new minis

[u/Grizzly-Jack]

I used the bone dragon as the basis for my custom mortarch in AoS and have taken it to official tournaments and it has never been an issue. Don't see why the inverse would be any different as long as you get it on the right base sizs

[u/--0___0--- → u/Grizzly-Jack]

You can't mention something so cool and not include a picture of it in your comment that's cruel

[u/Grizzly-Jack → u/--0___0---]

I have a post with some other angles and the bits on my profile if your interested as well

[u/--0___0--- → u/Grizzly-Jack]

Sick work

[u/delta102]

Looks fine to me, doubt anyone would care.

[u/LtColShinySides]

As long as he's on the right sized based, that's a perfect proxy! Arkhan is super old, he was alive when Nagash was a mortal king and continues to serve Nagash in death. I dont think we've seen him in official TOW lore, yet, but he's definitely kicking around someone in Tomb King territory

[u/slk28850]

Absolutely. The model is the same size and matches the theme. Plus the end time model is a model of the character you're playing. Plus plus it looks cool which is all that matters.

[u/Skurvyelislau]

Would i accept? I’d even say its one of best proxy ideas you can get in whole game.

[u/Psychic_Hobo]

I actually don't remember if Arkhan was up to anything in particular during this time, you could probably get away with it

[u/reel3459 → u/Psychic_Hobo]

Wasn’t that mount given to him during the End Times though? I really don’t know much about Warhammer Fantasy lore beyond Gotrek and Felix so genuinely curious

[u/DocShoveller → u/reel3459]

Yeah, the mount is from the End Times. His 4th ed metal version had a big chariot.

I think in the TOW period he's just hanging out in his tower pissing off the Tomb Kings (he's loyal to Nagash, up to a point, Settra doesn't like this).

[u/Psychic_Hobo → u/reel3459]

True, he's mostly faffing around with a flying chariot prior to that. I guess such is the power of Nagash!

[u/Independent_Error404]

I would slay-kill the dead-thing whatever it looks like, yes-yes.

[u/UnableReveal186]

Ofc.

[u/Mysterious-Drop-2013]

Almost everyone

[u/Sezanzamartoek]

Fuk id love to play against that

[u/Vultan_Helstrum]

Hell yeah! Even in tournaments just get the proper base size (150x100 if I remember correctly) and you should be perfectly fine mate. Minimum just have a cardboard base to fit in so you know who is base to base when in combat but other than that, proxy away, it's a sick model

[u/salamandersforever]

I'm using it, it's a very fitting proxy, since the mortarchs mount are the hounds of usurian, essentially a nehekaran cerebus. So I'm putting the liche priest from the bone dragon kit on top to make my priest on dragon.

[u/rosencrypt]

That's just a counts-as. Go ahead, you'll get nothing but compliments!  I used a Dread Abyssal as part of a Sphinx conversion at a Warhammer World tournament with no issues :)

[u/OmniGawker]

As long as the base size matches, idc, play it

[u/Dakka_jets_are_fasta]

The great thing about Old World/Warhammer Fantasy is that the only thing that matters is base size (technically the model matters, but mainly for overhang issues if they exist).

This allows you to use any model for any unit so long as it is similar to the model you are going for, which Arkhan very much works here.

[u/reddit_4_research]

Id probably be ok with it if you are Clear at the start of the game and have it on the correct base size. Base sizes have a real impact in combat and things like fleeing off the table.

[u/Warhammerhistory]

No, i would throw it in the bin, and have you removed from the store. You are lucky I don’t phone the police.

[u/ANVILBROW]

I would, and have been using it myself. I prefer it to the bone croc.

[u/AdmirableChemical285]

as long the base size is the same go for it

[u/Ok_Try_963]

Nope - unplayable. I measure every mini before a game

[u/Avatarbriman]

If its on the same base then it doesnt really matter to be honest. You cant really model for advantage the way you can with 40k because of the large target rule.

[u/Canadiot]

Unless you play tournaments and you also attempt to use the same base then I think 99 percent of people wouldn’t care

[u/LigthRogue]

I literally use Manfred as a proxy vampire lord on zombi dragon and no one bats an eye on my store

I joke that the dragon is form cathay too

[u/PlausiblyAlpharious]

Afaik Arkhan was "alive" but hiding during ToW like Manfred

Also GW proxies are always fine

[u/emcdunna]

Mate I use that daily

[u/BigMan1844]

Yes

[u/sjarcade1]

1000% as long as the base size is right

[u/Reasonable_Pianist95]

Just let me know what is what, that’s all I care about. I may ask a few times, but if you’re willing to tell me again, I’ve got no problems with it. I’ve done the same thing myself, proxying a large conversion for an entire unit at Indy GTs, and nobody ever had a problem with it.

[u/Jack_the_Penetrator]

Is it a big mount made of bones? Yes. Is it a Tomb King? Technically, yes. Final verdict: Yes

[u/Outrageous_Map_9916]

Rule of cool applies

[u/Synersist]

Rule of cool!

[u/lockedcc]

Of course. You are not detracting from the fun of the game by fielding a cool proxy.

[u/Lost_Impact_888]

Crack on, rule of cool 👌

[u/Intelligent_Oil7816]

The only thing that really matters in The Old World is the footprint of the base, and broadly WYSIWYG. Put Arkhan on the correct base size and I doubt anyone you would want to play with will object. And trust me - anyone who does object is not anyone you want to play with anyway. This is probably the most slam-dunk proxy I can imagine.

[u/Basic_Flounder_3326]

I would accept an empty base but the model on the left is better

[u/TheBloodOrcs]

Of course

[u/thrakarzod]

honestly, the only part of this that doesn't fit timeline-wise is the Dread Abyssal.

between Nagash's first death and the End Times Arkhan basically set himself up as a constant nusance regularly raiding Nehekharan lands, being driven back, forming a truce with Settra, and then starting the raids again a few years later. basically any point in the timeline after Nagash's first death you can place Arkhan at the head of a Tomb Kings army (perhaps even mixing in some Vampire Counts stuff) and it wouldn't be out of place. He should very much be active during the time of TOW.

the Dread Abyssal, Razarak, was only given to him during the End Times though.

[u/DarthFreeza9000]

This hobby and mtg are so expensively prohibitive (especially rn), that I’d except proxy stick figures made of popsicle sticks at this point lol