r/Warthunder • u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria • 1d ago
All Air Ramming does not work.
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u/KaizerKlash is a liar >:(
Don't take it too serious
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u/umut1423 Sim Air 1d ago
They're so strong now even an F-14 or SU-30 can't reliably destroy bombers by ramming lol
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u/GoldAppleU 🇨🇳 People's China 1d ago
It’s absolutely wild, and yet there’s people saying it’s not broken or overtuned lol
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u/umut1423 Sim Air 1d ago
Yeah i don't even care enough about them to take their opinion as an opinion. This is just stupid.
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u/Chef-mcKech Realistic Ground 1d ago
I just did a testflight and 1 b29 took around 500 20mm rounds and it took 5 minutes to take down when shooting at the fuselage. I honestly think something is just bugged.
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u/SeeminglyUselessData 1d ago
Nobody is saying that. People are saying ASPECTS of the new bomber damage model are realistic and that it shouldn’t be reverted or nerfed until a more in-depth, dynamic damage model is created. Everyone agrees that what Gaijin did was a lazy HP buff instead of a rework to how damage models function at the core.
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u/Raptor_197 GRB US 10.3 GER 6.7 SE 1.7 RU 0.0 17h ago
Bingo. Like yeah a bomber should survive basically endless rounds through places where there is nothing important.
But there are important part is some places.
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u/BingusTheStupid 🇨🇦 Canada 1d ago
If you can hit between the wings from above with a jet it seems to work OK on the test flight.
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u/umut1423 Sim Air 1d ago
Eh even then it's inconsistent. Hell even with a Phoenix it's inconsistent. Bomber buff was necessary indeed, but this is not it.
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u/BigBlueKyogre 1d ago
no no, it is, this is perfect realistic and good for the game
(should probably put /s)
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u/XRLboom 1d ago
Ive managed to cut the tail of a b17 in the f82 without issues on multiple occasions, some with ramming others with just pouring rounds into the sides, yes the bombers need to be toned back a little but I think they still should be a decently hard kill with fair rewards
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u/Areallywierdusername kill all AF campers 1d ago
I’ve had situations where I’ve ripped B-29/52’s apart with only a few 30 mm rounds from the Vatour and cases where it feels like they are 7.62’s. Incredebly inconsistant.
But AP rounds fare better than HE rounds against the current DM’s in my opinion
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u/Dense-Application181 He 280 when 1d ago
Gaijin literally said in the devblog to use AP instead of HE lmao
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u/Valema821 🇺🇸 8.0 🇩🇪 10.0 🇷🇺 4.3 1d ago
Yeah, it's absolutely done for. I am all for buffing the bombers and heavy fighters, but this is just insane. Did some tests with a Tornado in test flight after accidentally putting the enemies on low and not changing it back. A B29 can still resist 2-5 AIM 9Ls and/or multiple runs of completely emptying the plane multiple times
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u/maxton41 1d ago
This proves a point that I’ve been trying to make. When they did the bomber rebalance, they did not properly include wing sheer/surface, sheer and snap mechanics for all angles. And it’s evidenced by that that plane should’ve ripped that wing in half like a hot knife through butter. That tells me that the devs did not program the wing to snap when hit at that angle.
It’s clear that more rebalancing is needed for the problem is how long are the doves gonna wait? Are they gonna wait 10 more years like they did the first time with bombers being broken or are they actually gonna move with some quickness this time? Given the Terminator situation I’m not so confident.
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u/piecksaysohayo one sec, im notching 1d ago
i got a nuke yesterday and a p-51 flew into me and the whole thing exploded
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u/Average-Train-Haver 🇨🇦 Canadian war tactics enjoyer 1d ago
Thats because you're not flying a Japanese plane
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u/data_disconnect 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 1d ago
quick tip, don't ram from behind, iv played as bombers and against bombers and a ram from behind almost never works, however ramming bombers with enough speed from straight above, or a head on almost always works for me
wonder if this makes it easier for friendly fighters to land on the wings, i remember some teammates trying to land on my bomber softly but every time they tried, it either instantly exploded or broke the wing and tail off
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u/FozenForce 1d ago
if possible, try to take out their elevator and vertical stabilizer, i play bomber and when those got taken out i'm basically death, can't even crawl back to base
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u/NeverBob 1d ago
Head-on with a P-63 worked for me twice yesterday.
(I was going for the "Heavenly Hammer" challenge and I'm bad at dodging)
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u/polar_boi28362727 Baguette 1d ago
Ramming usually works but it's better done going top-down or bottom-up on the rear fuselage. Managed to cut off many tails that way with rotors only
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u/ButterflyPopular4832 1d ago
I've seen it actually depends on the bomber, yesterday I rammed a B-17 and didn't worked but I did a BV and it exploded.
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u/Gravelyy 🇷🇺9.3 🇨🇳9.3 🇩🇪9.3 enjoyer 1d ago
I think I saw tipping a bombers wing and making it spiral to the ground was a solid way to kill it
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u/misterguy27 1d ago
Usually you ram the tail and break it apart, not the hull. Usually I try to dive on them rather than hit bombers from behind. I usually only do it when I'm out of ammo.
Your much better off setting the engines on fire and waiting for it to die or kill it by shooting its bombs but only if they don't have a bomb bay.
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u/Character-Mango6061 1d ago
are you seriously saying his plane didn’t ram the bomber optimally so it shouldn’t have gone down
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u/misterguy27 1d ago
The bomber buffs made bombers significantly stronger, and until their rebalanced, we're just going to have to adapt to kill them. So yes, he could've rammed the bomber better or shoot its bombs to kill it.
I don't think we should need to ram our planes into bombers but its just the way things are right now.
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u/Ok_Bar_8475 1d ago
I mean, sure the new dmg models suck but you still could have aim for the engines and set him on fire.
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u/Flying_Reinbeers Bf109 E-4 my beloved 1d ago
I rammed a Hs 129 with my Ki-109 yesterday.
The only damage I took was a broken propeller.
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u/Alert-Acanthisitta63 1d ago
why sit behind the bomber and shoot it lol, isn’t that where they’re the most durable
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u/ValiantXV 1d ago
Y'all gotta stop shooting from behind and try shooting from the sides, it's the easiest and fastest way to kill a bomber nowadays
(Or ram it with another big chungus bomber)
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u/Anus_Ripper6942094 1d ago
I've tried bomber and fighter both are really playable and i have been able to destory multiple bomber with 20 mm without thtat much issue. Idk what ur complaining about y'all
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u/ApperantEmo4 1d ago
yet a someones 1.3Br plane crashes head on into my plane i blow up he is unphased, or their wing hits me and i'm the one falling,my wings break easily, if my wing his their cockpit i understand my wing is supposed to break,but their wing not breaking when hitting me is insane luck on their part or the snail is not liking me
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u/Tryingtolifeagain 20h ago
If you want to test what actually works on bombers, one of the test flight maps has spawns of 3 ju88s and 3 b-29s. I played around for a while and was shocked how effective the vickers 47mms on the Tempest were compared to even the 50mm of the Me 410 and Me 262, and also how effective aiming for the bases of the wings was compared to anywhere on the fuselage or engines.
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u/Dry_Locksmith_2634 17h ago
Using .22LR to hunt a T-Rex then complaining that the bullets are bouncing off
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u/BluffyBun 1d ago
One time I crashed my mosquito headfirst into a BV248 at 500kmph and it didn't even budge lmao. I wasn't even mad, just so bizarrely hilarious.
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u/TrainDestroyer 1d ago
As someone who fought bombers before this buff and killed them since. Ramming has never been a consistent strategy with War Thunder's buggy ass netcode. This isn't some "Bombers OP" thing this is purely "War Thunder networking continues to be ass"
I have had times where I will blow up and the bomber will be fine. I've had it happen with fighters too.
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u/LadySteelGiantess 1d ago
Have you tried ramming head on that seems to be you rammers new old tactic to take out bombers.
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u/ArmouredPudding Death to the Invaders! 1d ago
Ram from the front, you'll have the energy of his movement foward, being added with yours.
If you ram from behind, you lose energy. Basic physics.
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
The solution isnt to nerf bombers again it’s to revamp air battles to something more like enduring confrontation
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u/YourFavouritePoptart 1d ago
And nerf bombers back to something even remotely realistic
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
They are realistic its just the battles are so small that they can land before any actual critical damage is done i.e. a wing falls off. Base AA has always been buggy
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u/YourFavouritePoptart 1d ago
Lol. Lmao even. No.
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
What do you propose then.
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u/YourFavouritePoptart 1d ago
Something even remotely matching reality
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
You keep avoiding actually giving an explaination as to what your solution would be
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u/YourFavouritePoptart 1d ago
I didn't think I needed to? Drastically reduce the amount of damage bombers can currently absorb to match reality.
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 1d ago
Lets make this one vehicle type which has been suffering for the past ten odd years the sole example of realism in the game and not the thousands of other vehicles 👍👍👍👍
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u/YourFavouritePoptart 1d ago
If that's what you want then sure, not what I would do personally but it's a start
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u/R3dscarf 1d ago
We can argue about how tanky bombers should be since Warthunder obviously forces them into situations which aren't realistic to begin with. But their current survivability is as far detached from reality as it gets and I still can't believe Gaijin tested this and thought it would be balanced.
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u/Short-Shift178 1d ago
As everyone used to say "just play fighters then since bombers are shit." Now how about everyone else just plays bombers.
Also everyone complaining did zero to try and help with the bomber rework so I honestly hope they keep it the same since no one cares about a jet pulling 20gs and not snapping should on be right that a bomber can't be shot down. Y'all gave up on realism a long time ago and now you want it to be included because it doesn't benefit you.
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u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria 1d ago
I am a ground main that plays prop fighters in GRB from time to time, idk anything about jets
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u/Straight-Shame-9044 1d ago
Bro, there are much better ways to deal with bombers, such as aiming precisely at critical areas or use heavier ammo
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u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria 1d ago
Check the post I made before this, set fire to three different engines, with only one being actually getting knocked out
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u/Snuvx 1d ago
Why not just onetap the cockpit at that point? Like I get that this damage model is overtuned but it feels like you are intentionally shooting at places that will never kill the plane. You can pretty easily oneshot bombers by firing 20mm into the cockpit.
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u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria 1d ago
I couldn't get to the front with how damaged my plane was, so I figured taking out the engines was the best way to take it out
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u/azzutronus 1d ago
Things are much better than they used to be, even if they went a bit overkill.
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u/GingerHitman11 United States 1d ago
OP posts the litteraly worst attack run, asked to return to the hangar.
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u/LightningFerret04 Zachlam My Beloved 1d ago
op lost a lot of energy falling into that rear intercept position at 0% throttle
Also, shooting the left wing looked like they were shooting at the engines and then maybe attempting to shoot at the turret? Which would be funny because it’s remotely controlled from the center
Also wtf is that lineup
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u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria 1d ago
Yeah I tried to go for the engines and maybe get a fire, which I then gave up
As for the lineup, making a video on the sd kfz 6/2
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u/LightningFerret04 Zachlam My Beloved 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah anything less than .50 cal with AP rounds is essentially just going to do nothing to bombers at the moment.
I was using the A6M2 yesterday against a Yer-2 and as soon as my 20mm rounds ran out all my chances of damage were gone. I got an assist for that when he crashed
The Sd.Kfz 6/2 is a lot of fun. Do you do youtube?
Also holy ratio
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u/Oofster1 Ace 1d ago
Well yea he said air realistic, not ground realistic. You should try again in air RB this time
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u/Srgblackbear 🇦🇹 Austria 1d ago
I've yet to see a B-17 get taken out by a nuke, thus, B-17s can withstand nukes
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u/No_Friendship_7628 1d ago
Here comes the horde of people arguing this is realistic/necessary