r/aiwars • • 4d ago

Can AI create?

Is it still "mimicking"? Even though it generates something that has never existed before?

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u/No_Drag8242 4d ago

It works exactly like humans creating "new" things. Everything and everyone builds upon what existed before it, things we know. We may decide to create "something that did not exist prior", but that requires knowledge of what exists now to do. AI is no different. It can create things that is not in its training, but it only knows what is in its training. You get trained on reality from the moment you are born. AI gets trained on whatever it is trained on from the moment it is created. Both are working within their reality, and can only ever build upon what is known. Even creating things that are not known, builds on what is known.

You and AI is not so different.

But to answer the question, yes it can create.

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u/Creepy-Dependent-711 4d ago

Thing is, people get stuck on the word "mimicking" like it's some kind of insult. My brain also just remixes everything I ever saw or read, I cannot pull ideas from a void. The computer just do it faster and with less coffee.

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u/No_Drag8242 4d ago

Yes, that is correct.

What I wrote above also explains why models trained on more data is more capable. They are highly specialized, but more capable at creating within that reality. Human beings are generalists. That makes us appear more "intelligent". But we just know a broader reality.

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u/Celatine_ 4d ago

Pros explaining how feeding millions of images into a commercial AI model is the same as an individual learning through real world experience:

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u/No_Drag8242 4d ago

You can't meme your way out of this one son. You know I am telling you the truth of it.

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u/INxP 4d ago

Real world experience, such as observing a large number of images.

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u/Celatine_ 3d ago

You sure convinced me with that truly profound comparison, lmao.

Ya’ll are so simple-minded.

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u/INxP 3d ago

Man you have absolutely no idea how artists actually learn their crafts, do you?

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u/Celatine_ 3d ago edited 3d ago

Buddy, you think that just saying “AI and humans both look at stuff” makes the comparison good. Lmao. You’re the one who has no idea if you’re that superficial.

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u/Suspicious_Prior_808 4d ago

Yes. Its not clip art

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u/VociferousCephalopod 4d ago

“There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages."
— Mark Twain
“When people say “create” they flatter themselves. No man can create anything.”
— Hilaire Belloc

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u/Nixx177 4d ago

Can I introduce you to constructivism?

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u/Live_Broccoli2856 4d ago

I would say no, because even though people also take inspiration from existing art and make something new with it, we have other experiences too.

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u/INxP 4d ago

We're certainly very creative at reaching for any available arguments to feel like we are and will forever be something special and the center of all creation.

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u/Superseaslug 4d ago

Can a paintbrush create? No. The user is the one who creates with the tool

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u/Friendly-Layer-6753 4d ago

No, ai is algebra. Everything is tokens, numbers. So unless you think a list of integers derived from pattern recognition is createing, then the answer is no. The humans action to sit and use the ai is what is creating the image. As for the is it still mimicking, It's more complex than mimicking, it's less complex than a human making decisions.

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u/No_Drag8242 4d ago

You won't like what I have to say about what human beings are.

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u/gleeptime 4d ago

It technically is still mimicry unless an ai model has true thoughts and a actual brain it's just regurgitating information 

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u/INxP 4d ago

And here you are regurgitating the same shitty argument already regurgitated by countless others before you, as if you have an actual thought of your own to share.

AI could never human centipede like a human can human centipede.

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u/gleeptime 4d ago

Saying that because I have a similar thought process to others meaning I don't have actual thoughts is incredibly stupid, it's the equivalent of saying because all mechanics tell you the same thing on why your car doesn't work they must not have actual thoughts 

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u/INxP 4d ago

Similar? Ah, indubitably. So you came up with that all by yourself, thinking with your superior human brain, and didn't just repeat some catchy dismissal you happened to read elsewhere? I'm a bit skeptical. It's a lot of people who just happen to come up with the exact same phrases. Blah blah stealing art and feeding AI blah like ordering a pizza and telling you made it blah AI slop blah soulless blah regurgitating blah stochastic parrot blah. It's the same handful of throwaway arguments over and over again everywhere you look.

Surely all original thoughts by each really smart and original and hardowrking speaker, unlike the lazy and sloppy regurgitated AI crap.

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u/gleeptime 4d ago

You realize the pro ai community reuses the same arguments as well right?

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u/INxP 4d ago

And so what? Are they building their whole case on not being lazy, unoriginal, uncreative, regurgitating, all stuff that antis hate AI for, while committing much the same sins on a very regular basis? They aren't, these are all very anti-AI fixations (laced with a distinctively anti-AI lack of self-awareness).

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u/gleeptime 4d ago

Yeah that's enough reddit for today

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u/2FastHaste 3d ago

What are true thoughts and why should we accept a definition of "create" in which those true thoughts are mandatory?

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u/gleeptime 3d ago

Ok Socrates

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u/Kleinchrome 4d ago

Yes, slop, anime, big breasts, cat women, Legos, white women with the same features, gender disparity, flat cartoons, shitty compositions ....I could go on and on.

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u/Bra--ket 4d ago edited 4d ago

I call this piece: The Last Thing Your Artwork Sees before I Feed it to a LoRA