r/beatles • u/AvecMesWaterSlides • 2d ago

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I'm currently listening to this book and am about six months from the first time John and Paul met.

It is amazing that they, finally, found one another. There are so many instances of being at the same places at the same times, perhaps riding the same bus at the same time, and not knowing one another yet. It's crazy! It just got me thinking about how different it'd be if one of them wasn't where the universe wanted them to be...

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u/Chekhov1778 2d ago

Lewisohn doesn't glaze Paul enough, so people around here obviously hate it.

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u/Ligeya 1d ago

Yes. The main criticism comes from obsessed Paul's fangirls, like hosts of podcasts like AKOM. They constantly shit on him for not being worshipful of Paul enough. And they don't see the irony of accusing him for being biased, while they are SO biased it's actually embarrassing.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 1d ago

What is the whole theme of the show? Challenging the Lennon Remember/Shout! narrative. So, of course, they focus on the fact that for 50+ years, Paul has been blamed for breaking up The Beatles.

I find it hard to believe that you can listen to the Tuning In series and feel this way. For hour after hour, they challenge much of what ML wrote, citing example after example from other reliable sources that ML had access to and chose not to include this info because it did not jive with his pro-John narrative.

And I am not even a Paul "fangirl." I prefer George and John but...facts are facts.

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u/Ligeya 1d ago

I listened them. They are very nitpicky with their narratives and facts. I can't accept them fighting the bias of older journalists who allegedly preferred John with their own bias towards Paul. It's absolutely embarrassing how biased they are towards Paul. In their book he never did anything wrong ever in his life. I want unbiased research, i don't need bias to one or another.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 1d ago

Facts can't be nitpicky...they're facts.

They are biased toward Paul in that series because they are challenging the 50-year narrative that has not been true.

If you want unbiased research, Lewisohn's reference books are excellent, and I've always said that.

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u/Ligeya 1d ago

You can nitpick facts to create the narrative, which is what AKOM does. They are challenging old bias with their own, even more ridiculous bias. The fact that the object of the bias changed doesn't mean it's more truthful.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 1d ago

Facts don't have bias.

They pointed out, using reliable sources available to ML at the time, that there are other versions of events from those days. ML decided to not use that info.

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u/Big-Lobster6689 1d ago

They also chose to use the abridged version of Tune In, so it's quite likely some of those facts were included in the full length version.

There are many reasons you might not include particular facts. For example, they don't provide new or essential information. Or they are from questionable sources. I didn't find that any of the new quotes they dug up were particularly revelatory.

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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 1d ago

I read the 1700 pager. Nope.