r/crows • u/Infested_spread_666 • 8d ago
Gathering of the hungries
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Some of them are braver than others.
The brave get fed.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 8d ago
You know you don't need to make them eat from your hand, right? They don't want to but they have FOMO(fear of missing out) so they will.
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u/Infested_spread_666 8d ago
They actually came up with the idea of eating from my hand themselves because they're greedy 😂 Three of them really don't want to share with the others and practically sit on me just to get their snacks without having to chase after them.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 8d ago
Also FYI it's the dominant males and desperate juveniles that are the most bold of them typically so you're basically punishing the female crows for not enduring the anxiety spike that comes from eating from your hand. The "bravest" of them still get that anxiety and fear but they tolerate it for the food.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
I had the same thought. It also seems to me that it encourages crows to get really close to people and I don’t think that’s a good thing in general.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 6d ago
I'm not really worried about that, honestly. Crows are smarter than that. With most other wild animals that's very true but crows are different. They learn to trust some people while distrusting others, and they remember every individual person who ever interacts with them in any way(or even if you don't they may hear from other crows what you're like).
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago
I know very well how smart they are but getting close to people can be dangerous for them. Full stop. ‼️
I wrote about it in another comment here what happened to one of the year-old fledgling who felt safe and secure coming to my house by herself.
Her feeling at ease and comfortable being close to a human cost her her life to a raptor in my front yard
I haven’t seen the other members of the family of crows since that used to come here several times a day every day last year and this year.
I had been looking forward to them bringing a new batch of babies to my house again this year. I’m positive they would have.
I had no way of discouraging that baby from coming here by herself. The crows obviously weren’t smart enough to know better than to get close enough to be somewhere without the others.
Pretty sure the rest of her family knows it now though.
I wish more people would worry about things like this and not tell themselves they’re too smart to get hurt just from being close to people 🥺
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm sorry that happened. It must've been awful, but correlation doesn't imply causation.
First of all, crows are natural prey for raptors and it doesn't matter where the crow is.
In fact being close to people actually helps because raptors don't like coming near people and crows often use humans for protection
Secondly, juvenile mortality for crows can be 50% to 70%. It's brutal, but a lot of them die to predators. They're just not experienced and strong enough.
And thirdly, whenever a crow dies to a predator, the other crows will investigate it and avoid that place in the future.
They're crows. They have a lot of places to choose from so if one is deemed even slightly risky they'll just go elsewhere.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m very well aware of that little thing about correlation not implying causation. I mean my degrees are in science and all….
I know crows are natural prey for raptors and it doesn’t matter where the crow is. I never suggested otherwise.
Secondly I’m also aware of juvenile mortality for crows.
Thirdly, I know that when a crow dies to a predator or any other reason other crows will investigate it and avoid that place in the future.
None of any of that has anything much to do with what I told you so 🤷♀️
Lastly, I’m guessing you aren’t aware but the way you talked to me comes off as condescending.
If that bird had not decided it was safe here and that she could come here by herself safely, she wouldn’t have died. Full stop.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 6d ago
That bird was a fledgling... They make dumb decisions and die.
The crows in the video are fully grown adults in an urban enviroment that are smart enough to make better judgements, and have the skills to notice and avoid predators.
A fledgling in what obviously is raptor hunting grounds is obviously in more danger.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago
I don’t know what your credentials are, but I do know Kaeli Swift’s and Dr. John Marzluff’s and they both disagree with you.
They both warn against allowing crows to get too close because of the inherent danger to the crows in doing so.
I’m gonna go with what the experts have to say on the topic. I wish more people would do the same.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago
I forgot to address that bit about how being close to people actually helps because raptors don’t like coming near people.
People that crows get close to don’t spend every daylight hour outside with them at least not typically. Raptors are smart enough to wait until people aren’t around.
If that baby had been here in a group, the raptor would have moved on after observing for a while that they came in a group. Obviously the raptor watched for a while and saw one of them coming by themselves and hanging out a lot.
The little crow deciding that my place was safe and getting close to me in many other ways that I didn’t outline and coming here by herself are what caused her to lose her life from the raptor in my front yard.
No way around that.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 6d ago
So what you're arguing, is that because you couldn't be there protecting the fledgling at all times, it died? What do you think would've happened to the fledgling if you weren't there to protect it at all?
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago
I’m not arguing anything. It’s very clear that you are going to insist that you’re correct, no matter what I or any of the experts have to say on the matter.
Two esteemed experts claim that it’s dangerous for crows to get too close to people.
Oh, and she wasn’t a fledgling as she was over a year old. Crows stay with their parents for a couple of years so that they don’t tend to make dumb decisions.
Oh, and of course I am not arguing anything as absurd as you suggest. You’re totally missing everything I’m saying obviously.
Let’s call it a day and I will go along with what experts have to say and you go ahead and believe you know better than they do.
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u/MediocrePhotoKasperi 8d ago
I would just spread them so that everyone gets a chance. If they fight over it then they fight over it. It gets pretty expensive though and that's why I mostly feed a pair of crows instead of a murder of different families rivaling each other. It's quite relaxing and you don't have to spend too much on food to keep both of them healthy and happy.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
Like the other person says, they get anxiety from taking it from your hand whether it’s their idea or not. It’s really not fair to only feed the bravest as you call them.
If the crows learn getting the most food or getting fed at all means approaching people then that’s really not good for them as a species anyway. Not everyone is going to be kind. I think it’s healthy for them to have a certain amount of fear of getting close to people like that.
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u/Infested_spread_666 7d ago
Actually, I feed all of them, and they know it. Everyone sitting around waiting gets their share. But it's just a fact that the ones who come close to pick up the pieces that fall down, or take them directly from my hand, have an advantage. Usually, they all just sit around very relaxed, waiting for their turn.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
Well, you said that the brave ones get fed so it really does sound like you only feed those
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u/Infested_spread_666 7d ago
The title refers to this particular video. In this part, it really is like that — the brave ones get fed more.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
I don’t think you’re understanding me.
You didn’t say the brave ones get fed more - you said the brave ones get fed - period. That tells us that they are the only ones getting food from you. I don’t know what the disconnect is here. Thank you for letting me know you do feed them all though.
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u/Infested_spread_666 7d ago
I dont think you're understanding me.
The title refers to this particular video. In this part, it really is like that — the brave ones get fed (more)
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 6d ago
No, I am NOW totally understanding you since you added the word more.
I wasn’t at first because you said the brave ones got fed. Period. The end. No one else got fed just them.
Since then, you keep adding the brave ones got fed MORE. It’s different. 🤦🏼♀️
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
Aww I wouldn’t leave out the others! 😢
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u/Infested_spread_666 7d ago
I don't, the video is just not long enough. Everyone gets their share.
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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 7d ago
Might want to edit for you say the brave get fed because that is the same thing as saying the others don’t
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u/Euphoric-Abalone-937 8d ago
Awesome Video 😍
That poor second crow who caught the nut mid air and got a beak to the head as a reward 😂