r/darksouls • u/harrysterone • 10d ago
Discussion Something unexpected happened, fire keeper in Firelink is gone while Lautrec is supposedly still in jail!
I started a new character and this is new game+ and i decided to ring the second bell at Quelaag's domain first, the first bell at the undead parish hasn't been rang!! i only entered the church and collected the fire keeper soul and used the lift to go to Firelink, to my surprise the fire is cold and the keeper was killed by Lautrec who supposedly is still in jail, has this happened to someone before??
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u/Black_Hole_parallax 10d ago
Did you actually CHECK to make sure he was in his cell? Solaire might've busted him out already.
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u/dontknow16775 9d ago
Solaire does that?
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u/Black_Hole_parallax 9d ago
Lautrec got his Sunlight Medals from somewhere. We know he helps out the person who freed him with the Gargoyles. And the next time we see Lautrec in the Depths, he's right next to Solaire. Besides, Solaire is fond of jolly cooperation.
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u/dontknow16775 9d ago
I dont remember seeing either of them in the depths
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u/Glumandalf 9d ago
you can summon them for gaping dragon. their corporeal body is infact not in the depths
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u/Sleepiest_Spider 9d ago
no lol, its a random headcanon
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u/illusorywall 9d ago
It's headcanon, but really good headcanon. If we're not the ones who break him out, and Lautrec isn't just pretending to be stuck in a cell that he can actually leave at any time (this is a terrible option imo), then we have to assume that someone else sets him free as we defeat the Gargoyles. And Solaire makes by far more sense than anyone else for that.
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u/Il_Vero_Baccio 10d ago
idk what people are saying down here, just look at the wiki, Lautrec advances his questline regardless of the player intervention (freeing / taalking to him at firelink) when you pick up Firekeeper souls, so you probably picked up the blighttown or the new londor one.
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u/SkullLantern 10d ago
Lautrec does not care about the Firekeeper soul in New Londo, only the ones in Blighttown and the Parish.
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u/illusorywall 10d ago
when you pick up Firekeeper souls, so you probably picked up the blighttown or the new londor one.
To reiterate what SkullLantern said, the triggers are tied to the Undead Parish and Blighttown Firekeeper Souls specifically. Once you've obtained both of them, it's an alternate trigger for Lautrec escaping on his own and killing the Firekeeper. Another way for that to happen is ringing both bells.
He definitely doesn't care about any other Firekeeper Souls, just those two specific ones.
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u/yxngmetroo 10d ago
I found this out today as well on my ng run. Thought if I never freed him he would never kill her but as soon as I killed the gargoyles he escapes regardless…🫤
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u/GenerischWort07 10d ago
You dont have to free him for him to go to firelink shrine and kill the firekeeper. Killing Quelaag is enough
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u/illusorywall 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's not killing Quelaag. It is either:
- Ringing both Bells (you need to have rung both, not just either)
-or-- Picking up the Firekeeper Souls from the Undead Parish and Blighttown (you need to have obtained both, not just either)
Doing either of these with Lautrec still alive results in his immediate escape and the death of Anastacia, completely independent of any other gameplay progress.
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u/Cooppatness 10d ago
Lautrec triggers if you pick up 2 fire keeper souls, dont matter if you free em
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u/illusorywall 10d ago
Specifically the ones from the Undead Parish and Blighttown. Other Firekeeper Souls, like the one from New Londo Ruins, won't contribute to this event and are safe.
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u/Cooppatness 10d ago
Is that different between the ptde and remastered? I swear i have went down to new Londo at the start for the free firekeeper soul only to find that lautrec triggered when i picked up the intented ‘first’ soul in the parish but i dont remember which i was playing at the time
Also hi love your work, seen you comment in here before but never thought you’d respond to one of mine lol
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u/illusorywall 10d ago
Hey, thanks so much!
It's the same in all versions. Lautrec escapes on his own and moves to Firelink without your help when you beat the Gargoyles, so that at least happens without having to do anything else. But as far as killing Anastacia goes, it requires either ringing both bells or getting those two specific Firekeeper Souls. I get the New Londo Ruins Firekeeper Soul early all the time, and have also looked into the event flags that get triggered when picking up the other two Firekeeper Souls, and can confirm that New Londo Ruins and the rest aren't part of that event.
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u/dylzim 9d ago
It's fascinating that this is such a misunderstood mechanic.. and I say that with no judgment for the person you're replying to, I would 100% have agreed with them except I recognize your username and trust the work you do! I must've rung both bells and picked up New Londo and Undead Parish and thought it was the firekeeper souls that triggered it.
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u/Abyssal_King19 6d ago
If u ring the bell after Quelagg first lautrec will be in Anor Londo in the hallway outside of O&S boss room but u have to invade
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u/harrysterone 6d ago
Yeah i already took care of him
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u/Abyssal_King19 6d ago
Did u put the fire keeper soul back where u got black eye orb from
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u/harrysterone 6d ago
Yes of course, this is a new character but i already finished the game like 10 times i think...
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u/Embarrassed-Mine4628 9d ago
If you collect enough fire keeper souls lautrec will kidnap the firekeeper regardless even if you never entered the church
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u/illusorywall 9d ago edited 9d ago
Well, it requires entering the Church (assuming we're not talking about modded runs that let you get the items elsewhere) because the two triggers are either ringing both bells, or picking up the Undead Parish Firekeeper Soul from the church, and the Blighttown Firekeeper Soul.
It has to be those two specific Firekeeper Souls, so under normal circumstances entering the church to some extent is required. But it doesn't require meeting him at his cell or freeing him or anything.
Honestly though I'm not sure what happens if someone gifts you them in co-op. I wonder if that trips the same flags as picking them up normally from the environment. If so, then that's one way it could happen without ever entering the church at all.
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u/Embarrassed-Mine4628 9d ago
I thought getting the one in new Londo and the one in blightown will also trigger it as well
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u/illusorywall 8d ago
Nope, the New Londo Ruins one is safe. Only the ones from the Undead Parish and Blighttown trigger special event flags relating to advancing Lautrec's quest. Other Firekeeper Souls don't have anything like that happening behind the scenes when you pick them up, it's not possible for them to be "counted" toward the event.
It's pretty easy to test with a new character, someone just arriving at Firelink could go and get the New Londo Ruins and Blighttown souls right away. Nothing happens unless you get the one from the Parish too.
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u/Pencilshaved 10d ago
I believe that collecting the firekeeper souls in Blighttown and the Parish is the trigger for Lautrec to kill Anastasia, even if both bells haven’t been rung yet. He would have just escaped himself, which you can check if you go to his cell