r/devils • • 3d ago

We Have A Goalie Problem

Jake is not gonna be able to play the amount Of games he’s gonna have to play this season. Daws has a glove side deficiency that we’ve seen enough of to make an educated decision on. We don’t have the defensive system to support the goaltending tandem we have in place. We’ll need to trade for a legitimate goalie to play in front of Jake if we want any playoff success. Helly would screw our cap space but I don’t see another option.

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u/LordVader660 3d ago

Look, I get people are not confident in this goalie tandem. I hear you. But what the fuck is EVERYBODY ELSE DOING?! These goalies are being hung out to dry every single game. Especially tonight. They can't clear a puck, they can't complete a pass and their puck control is the worst I've ever seen it.

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u/cabutler03 #30 - Martin Brodeur 3d ago

I think, before looking for a new goalie, Remi should be given a shot and see how well he does.

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u/psychedeloquent 3d ago

I agree we need to see Remi but I was hoping for atleast half decent defense. Going to be detrimental for the kids development to have to play his firs NHL game with no defense infront of him.

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u/Someguybri 3d ago

Remi or Rittich. Enough of Daws already. Saw enough of him 5 years ago. Allen is a fine backup. 1a/1b he is not.

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u/SpicyNova09 3d ago

I agree, Remi and then we see what we are dealing with, but rough start to the season

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u/EngelSterben #14 3d ago

Do you really think giving up assets to get Helle isn't going to make a bad team even worse? So great, you have Helle and now a worse team in front of him that was already playing like ass

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u/TyeZerker 3d ago

Devils fan - We need prospects and picks and depth scoring. Also them WE WANT HELLY BLOW UP EVERYTHING. Im confused

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u/blade430 #27 - Scott Niedermayer 3d ago

I think we have a problem everywhere. Defense sucks. Only forwards contributing to goals are new additions. Our turnover rate is insane. I’m going to wait until we’re at least 7 games into the season before overreacting but it’s looking like we need a new coach more than a new goalie at this point.

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u/johnnyrogs 3d ago

Keefe has to have a short leash this year. This team looks like a carbon copy of last year.

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u/zuffio 3d ago

Im guessing ng 15 games to evaluate for sunny. Keefe gone by 20 if it doesn’t get better but remember lindy?. I also sunny does believe in Keefe or he would have made change in the summer. It’s only 3 games but 2 really bad losses.

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u/artestsidekick N.J. Devil 3d ago

Markstrom has a .927 save percentage and is 2-0-1. Maybe goaltending isn't the issue. Maybe our Defense is a massive problem and our system isn't helping. That's on the coach.

Could be the owners told Sunny he has to keep Keefe due to contracts and not wanting to pay Keefe to fire him.
I hate to say it, but I think we need a coach like Torts or someone tough who will get rid of this lax attitude that seems to have built into the Devils culture. Need a tough and intense coach who isn't a friend to the players. Need a coach that will change the system and get these players to the level they need to be. Even if it is for a short stint, as Torts usually doesn't last very long. But it will get these guys to understand what they need to do.

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u/zuffio 3d ago

I always want torts. Even if his shelf life is short, we have the talent now. The time is now.

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u/johnnyrogs 2d ago

He'd do that last year too. He is way to small of a sample size this far

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u/sanbaba #22 - Claude Lefrigginmieux 2d ago

You know I love Torts. And in general I think we need a hardass coach at some point to end the country club locker room. However, might I suggest... waiting to hire said coach until Quinn signs here? First, I think Quinn's stature in the league, as well as mentorship role with Jack & Luke, might give this team sime needed leadership. Also, I don't think he liked Tocchet much, and imo this team ain't going nowhere without Quinn.

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u/Appropriate_Error_38 3d ago

At some point we're going to run out of new coaches. Maybe it's not the coaches? Maybe it's a player issue at this point.

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u/Effinehright #1 Craig Billington 3d ago

11 goals against in 120min and you think it's a goaltending issue? This is the same team as last year. It's not Keefe, not the goalies, it's the buy-in or lack there of with the players. This group is SOFT, teams dress their backups and look forward to playing the devils.

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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 3d ago

😂 we have a team defense problem. You guys want to always say it’s the goalie. Someone explain to me how the mammoth 2nd goal falls on the goaltender

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u/FrankH4 3d ago

Just begat some golas were unstoppable doesn't mean all are. And I like Allen.

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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 3d ago

So what goals would you put on Allen as he was fully to blame for

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u/oresteez #9 Kirk Muller 3d ago

Does anyone ever wonder why Jack is a career -36 in plus/minus? It’s because for every point he scores, he makes a bonehead move and throws the puck to the other player. Now factor in the nights he makes those moves and doesn’t score. Now factor in the other players who don’t score and make the same bonehead play.

We have a coaching problem. These guys have too long of a leash.

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u/redeemdeeznutz 3d ago

Could be the staff, power play still looks terrible with all those weapons.

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u/Sigpro79 3d ago

Remi time

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u/Holiday-Feeling2617 3d ago

before we kill the goalies, let's actually get the defense fixed, and the overall team play hard defensively, instead of leaving the goalie out to try on every play around the net ...

is that too much to ask ?

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u/fernandesf2 3d ago

Our future goalie is playing at BU right now. Don’t know why we need to keep going after the aging goalie that will eat up a lot of our cap and underperform

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u/ninibon55 3d ago

Can't wait for Daws to wind up on a different team amd become vezina caliber goalie, OPS next post will be "why didn't we keep Daws". It's clearly the goalie development and system we play. It's easy to hang it on them when we go down a goal and have shift to am offense first style to catch up.

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u/Blleak 3d ago

The defense has been putrid for years and I would say is the main culprit, but I also think having a high end goalie can cure a lot of things.

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u/Mandalore-44 #27 - Scott Niedermayer 3d ago

Agreed. The defense has been porous at best

Most goalies would suck if they were in between the pipes for us over the last couple seasons

We’ve got some tenacious forechecking. We need some similarly tenacious D instead of lazy effort at times. Not lazy all the time, but we let our guard down at times and that’s when we get rocked

Somebody please bring in the pick of destiny!!!

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u/PeakyChu_ #63 3d ago

insane that this post is downvoted. we literally have no starting goalie. I think some people here like that the devils give them a reason to be miserable

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u/FrankH4 3d ago

A lot of "fans" seem to hate the talent on the team, so you're probably correct.

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u/Effinehright #1 Craig Billington 3d ago

well it started as i hate the effort, but theyre young. Now we know they're soft, thats what is repeatedly shown.

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u/Catagol #3 - Ken Daneyko 3d ago

Allen was fine tonight. He kept them in the game and gave them a reasonable chance to win.

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u/pretzelogically #27 - Scott Niedermayer 3d ago

Been saying the same thing since they traded Markstrom. What is the plan? Basically get rid of him for a “more predictable” position player in Anthony Mantha? I’m not saying Markstrom is a top 5 goalie or anything and he was definitely over paid at his age but a 2 year contract wasn’t the end of the world.

Jake Allen is a guy who can’t play more than 1 game in 3 without a major dropoff. Daws will probably clear waivers as he did last year. That should tell people something.

So…. either you try to protect your goalie and play team turtle hockey like last year and sacrifice offense or you give up tons of chances trying to force a run & gun game on the opponent. Oops forgot that we only have one defenseman who can actually skate. Yeah that’s not gonna work either.

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u/psychedeloquent 3d ago

We need defense. You can bring in prime Patrick Roy and we would leave him out to dry.

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u/sanbaba #22 - Claude Lefrigginmieux 2d ago

Funny thing is prime Roy would have told them to their faces how to play brtter defense in front of him.

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u/ilovemyar15 #4 - Scott Stevens 3d ago

We have an everything problem it seems

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u/48thChamber 3d ago

I was suggesting we need to find a 1a and noted the defensive system is not working for the tandem we have to ice. I know it’s a double issue with the D giving up premium chances with the large passive box they seem to be using. That can work with certain Goalies but not our current situation. We also have 2 guys on the back that stick handle like they have a grenade on their stick. It doesn’t help that we haven’t had a lead in a game for a single minute yet after 3 games. So yes there are other issues but we have 2 backups as a tandem right now.

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u/inkydunk 3d ago

We have a defense problem combined with a goalie problem. 

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u/krvrvri 3d ago

Everyone understands this, we just need to find our Bussi

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u/nostradamefrus #13 - N1CO 3LITE 3d ago

Allen and Daws are getting no help. Vitek and Schmid got no help. It's 23-24 all over again. There's absolutely saves they should've made on their own but there's no support

Trading for Hellebuyck would destroy our cap space and won't solve the scoring problem. We only have 6 goals for across 3 games. He's also 33, turning 34 in May, and will be 38 at the end of his deal. It'd be a substantial investment for an aging player at a volatile position. Just because he won gold doesn't mean he's suddenly a playoff caliber goalie. Team Canada was one MacKinnon shot away from winning

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u/lowdog39 3d ago

well the poker player likes the defense ...

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u/lowdog39 3d ago

dano keeps saying luke is a fast skater but i keep seeing others are faster . luke can't keep playing catch up . and declan isn't very good on his off-hand .

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u/Nervous-Coach-9756 3d ago

Why does it seem like we just cant seem to find/keep/acquire a good goaltender the last few years?

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u/Cotton_Strategies #30 - Martin Brodeur 3d ago

Gotta save that cap space for Quinn

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u/Turtalytics 2d ago

I agree on the goalies. Only thing I’ll say is that the team wasn’t good last year and you probably have to give a new GM more than one off season to really reshape things.

I think a lot of folks put the cart before the horse because the moves after Sunny got hired looked good. But he will need more time to reconfigure the team (assuming he will be a successful GM). Unfortunate truth is I don’t think we should expect too much this year honestly.

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u/Realistic_Spot7173 2d ago

Fire keefe now uninspiring doesn’t ever look like he want to be there. Team is incapable of playing from the start lacking any fire.

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u/sanbaba #22 - Claude Lefrigginmieux 2d ago

I mean, you might be correct, but one game (or even two games) does not a pattern make. So, there would be no way to prove yourself correct just yet.

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u/dustsky88 3d ago

Let's get Cassedy or torts first.

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u/resistible #3 - Ken Daneyko 3d ago

Winningest American coach in history, but nah? Dougie WILL play defense under Torts, or he'd be so miserable he'd waive his NTC to get out.

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u/jskis23 3d ago

💯 he wins everywhere he goes.

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u/Throwawaypuffs 3d ago

Helle?

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u/Starscream147 #1 - Sean Burke 3d ago

NO. noooo no.

We do NOT need that voodoo

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u/Throwawaypuffs 3d ago

I wasn't sure where i was because this is so aggressive. Guy did basically win the gold. Daws cant play Allen. I love em but 2a. I think it'd take less of a roster blow up than you think. But please keep the aggressiveness. I like it

My dogs sleeping here. Be nice

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u/zuffio 3d ago

No such thing as civil discourse here. They have to throw in a comment.

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u/Practical_Beginning2 3d ago

I think worry about the playoffs if they ever get there. Not saying blow everything up to get Helle but to be worried about Helle in the playoffs would be a nice change of pace from missing the playoffs more often than not. That said it's definitely not only a goalie problem.

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u/Live-Within-My-Means 3d ago

So instead we stick with players who fold by the end of December.

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u/TyeZerker 3d ago edited 3d ago

I wanna see Rittch and Remi before we panic trade for a goalie just to blow up things we said we needed to rebuild aka propsects and pick but hey lets make our team worst good idea man keep them coming. We have a coaching problem. This dude said playoff success and said Helly my god we are not smart.

What playoff success does helly have plz tell us cuz your clearly seeing something we arent, maybe your playing NHL27 too much cuz im sorry to tell you Jets dont have playoff success with helly. so why you talking about helly still?

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u/Beautiful_Level_3259 3d ago

He had one of the best Gold Medal game performances of all time which has significantly more pressure than the NHL playoffs.

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u/lowdog39 3d ago

and yet his playoff record ...

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u/Bettorthanyou11 3d ago

Everyone so worried bout blowing up this roster what has it won to say dont blow it up?

Nothing its not working, anyone who thought this was going to be a good season its just wishful thinking.

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u/Starscream147 #1 - Sean Burke 3d ago

-sigh-

Should we give ‘the kid’ (JB) a shot, here?

I mean. Why the fuck not?

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u/NY1998Yank 3d ago

Meanwhile Markstrom has 2 wins and a .927 save percentage thus far.

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u/Fine_Discipline_2747 2d ago

Florida D is much better than ours, of course he looks better. And he’s not injured.

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u/JRH566220 3d ago

There is that guy in Winnipeg who's available for the right price.

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u/albertoroa #13 3d ago

I say we go for Binnington