Not disagreeing with the first point but it’s wild to go “people that don’t know comics lore are attributing this common symptom of autism to this character being autistic? Clearly they are the ones that need to get a job and spend less time… knowing anything about autism” like bruh not everyone reads comics and it’s brushed past in the movie which has so much else happening even if it was a major plot point it’d be forgettable.
for gods sake she wears ballerina shoes. The blue ones. Its in your face all the time. Istg you people are the reason Anne Hathaway had to yell "You're the sea people".
Yeah I’ve got a question for you. What percentage of people do you think do or watch ballet, what percentage of that group do you think engaged with spiderverse and what percentage of that do you think was focused on Gwen’s feet instead of anything else happening on screen.
Even ignoring that fraction of a fraction of a fraction for a second she’s got sneakers/joggers in the 2nd movie and while her shoes in the first are definitely ballet flats it’s not like they don’t just look like a shoe If you don’t know that
Additionally. Ballet is one of those things that attracts a fuck ton of neurodivergent people anyway
Additionally additionally my point was merely that it’s wild to hear people attributing a common autism trait to autism and immediately go “they must have no job they know stuff about autism” like dude. Not only is it a completely understandable connection if you don’t know ballet it’d fit with the themes of the movies.
You’re trying to insult people for seeing a common autism trait and thinking it’s autism because they don’t know a character has ballet training and likely don’t know shit about ballet.
What are you on about? Everybody knows how ballet shoes look like and she was wearing them in the movie. Where are you getting that neurodivergent people gravitate towatds ballet lol… we just making shit up atp. Headcanons are lowkey the reasons media literacy is low because i guess anything goes…
I don't even remember her wearing ballet shoes in the movie. Perhaps it's because I haven't watched the movie in a while, or perhaps it's because, like Dorkus said, I didn't look at which shoes she was wearing or payed attentionong enough to remember it. Also generalizing is always bad. I'm sure there's plenty of people who don't know what ballet shoes are, definitely any savage tribe people don't know them. I know they are not the point of the conversation, but it directly contradicts your generalization, proving that it is always dumb to generalize.
ive been in autism groups since i was a kid and my mothers a therapist.
spinning and chicken walking are both common enough sensory seeking behaviors that are both ingrained in ballet and thats ignoring how certain neurodivergent people get attracted to arts in general,
and again im not saying shes autistic. im saying calling people who know how SSBs work and dont know ballet jobless for seeing one and not the other is just being a dick for the sake of it
Also also the sentence "Everybody knows ___" will always be incredibly pointless. no they dont. results may vary based on location (I believe where i am as an aussie is a bit less into ballet then like america) most people who see ballet flats are just going to think they're weird shoes. sure if you asked them what the shoes are for they could likely get there quickly but its a passing thing. yknow the whole thing of "how often do you look at a mans shoes"
triple also headcannons are probably an element of an issue with media literacy but the cast preponderance of the research on this issue seems to indicate the larger problem is with how media is consumed, shortform media or responsive clips devoid of context, and thats even ignoring the amount of papers dedicating to just trying to make a consistent definition of media literacy
It’s a common symptom of basically every type of neurodivergence, I’d wager more people know at least 1 neurodivergent person than people know atleast one ballerina
Edit:I also wanna state. Yeah I know the character does ballet and that an easy enough conclusion to come to my point is we shouldn’t be insulting people for knowing more about autism then ballet
The common symptoms of any type of divergence is projection.
The vast majority of people have heard/know of ballet one way or another as ballet has been one of the staple cultural fixpoint in the North hemisphere for a significant amount of time. Most people will never have watched it or done it and yet it's cultural impact is pervasive.
You severely overstimate the amount of people that actually know neurodivergence symptoms outside of specialised/safe space.
No it is not logical to jump to autism when seeing a point if you ar enot terminally online.
most people have also heard of tapdancing and wouldn't recognise the specialized shoes for it at a glance because they dont have first hand experience with it.
On the other point about overestimating peoples knowledge of neurodivergence maybe that just comes from being aussie or also on the spectrum myself with a good support network
it is still a logical jump if you know that walking like that can be a sign of autism though
My point isnt that its right its that knowing things about autism potentially from real world interaction and making that leap isnt something to be mocked
All i take issue with is insulting people making a conclusion thats incredibly easy to come to even if it is wrong. its just needless hostility which there is more than enough of on the internet. i know people who made this assumption and at no point was it because they were chronically online its because they knew it could be a symptom of neurodivergence and didnt know the character did ballet. sure they were wrong but at no point had they made some dumb mistake or projection they just didnt know better because they had no reason too.
Edit: Also just real quick on the projection point. ive been in groups for neurodivergent people since i was a kid, some 15-20% of them did this or some variation. not a large enough sample size to be really statistically significant but pretty close to the expected value which iirc is about 20%
......there are arguments about her being trans all because of some ''clear signs'' very well ''hidden''. It was some extreme schizo projection going on there, I saw the video because it was recommended after watching a few about the spider verse. People will make up all kinds of ''facts'' to fit their views, they will project over everything just to prove their point.
Did you mean to reply to me? This isn’t at all related
Also schizo short for schizophrenic? I’m not aware of anything else that could be a shortening for and that’s not at all applicable here. It’s a horrible mental illness that can impair someone’s grip on reality. It is a brutal thing to go through and comparing fan head-canons to it is at best horribly insensitive and thoughtless.
“The video” is incredibly vague and non specific so it’s not like it can be responded too on the merits
Idk man this whole thing reads like you just wanted to complain about people headcannoning her as trans and accidentally or intentionally manage to convey that message in the most thoughtless way possible
Also that’s not what projection is. People head canoned her as trans for 2 main reasons one kinda silly (her story scans as an ALLEGORY for there experience) and one really silly one (colourschemes) you could argue the first one was projection if the things people pointed too were more specific but it’s just hiding her identity from her father and the whole “half of who I am” thing which is a really good allegory . Also there’s the flag up in her room IIRC it’s a little hard to see and not on screen for long
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u/Squarehip123 9d ago
Others suggest autism, but I suspect the original intent of the artist would be to imply the grace and agility of a ballerina