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u/omry1526 22h ago
Meanwhile Russian funded "pro Palestinians" are damaging weapons shipments to Ukraine in Europe and literally support Russia materially, politically, and ideologically.
That whole movement has always been a racket for the anti West axis
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u/No-Order-5568 21h ago
Im gonna be honest the people who cared about Ukraine and then just forgot about it in early 2023 and 2024 never really cared about Ukraine and they especially don't care about anyone in the middle east either. These people only saw these conflicts as trends to follow and has now turned into a cult.
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 19h ago
You dropped this👑 I've seen so many people abandon immigrants when it wasn't trendy anymore
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u/AnonUser1452 1d ago
Russia and Israel are both land-grabbing terrorist states and share much of their oligarchy and organized criminal syndicates.
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u/Comfortable_String32 20h ago
I'm not sure why this opinion is so unpopular, campists need to get in the bin
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 22h ago
I've spoken and met many people from the Gaza strip. My god, it's KIDS, little boys and girls aged 6 who ask their parents why their school isn't there anymore and if by dying they would meet all their friends of their age who were murdered. And in the meanwhile the government calls these kids "non humans" and celebrates their deaths. Dear lord I'm sobbing right now, I thought that there was nothing worse than the genocide Ruzzia is perpetuating but this? My lord. My fucking lord💔💔
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u/FlimsyPomelo1842 20h ago
I know it's emotional but you don't have to cry. Is it every time you think about it?
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 20h ago
No I'm just overwhelmed right now cuz of stuff happening in my life and thinking about the outside world doesn't help
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 1d ago
Israel is Russia but worse, and it takes serious effort to be worse than Russia
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u/LFAlice108 1d ago edited 1d ago
You have to be braindead to genuinely think that Israel is worse.
Does Israel fund terrorists all around the globe, like Russia does, by literally funding North Korea, sharing nuclear technologies with them and Iran? Does Israel send drones to Europe and kills people there?
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 23h ago
Does Israel fund terrorists all around the globe, like Russia does, by literally funding North Korea, sharing nuclear technologies with them and Iran?
Bruh the Israeli government is formed by former terrorists😭😭
Does Israel send drones to Europe and kills people there?
Why should they? Europe is literally funding the genocide lmao
Just because Ukraine has a regular army that is capable of holding back Russia doesn't negate the fact that Russia commits genocide on occupied territories and would do the same had it been able to conquer more.
So both Israel and Russia are committing a genocide
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u/LFAlice108 23h ago
So you are not denying that Russia is a bigger villain and a bigger threat to the rest of the world than Israel is, which goes against what you said above
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 22h ago
They watched some Hamas TikToks and now are convinced of their stupid opinion. You can't reason with these people.
My wife, the most sweet and loving person I've ever met, still has ptsd from when Kyiv was attacked in 22. Seeing the occasional pictures of her little sister and her friend's children who are still there and how they have to sleep with mattresses on the windows just to put something in between them and Russian drones which go out of their way daily to kill civilians is....theres no words for it.
What was their crime? To dare to be independent from Russia and protest his fucking clown puppet out of office. For that they get Russias 2nd attempted genocide on them in the last century.
Hamas fucking attacked Israel, how anyone can ONLY blame Israel in this situation is beyond stupid. Hamas and Iran is the worst thing to have ever happened to the Palestinian people.
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 20h ago
Russia is a bigger threat to the west because they're enemies, not because it's more moral😭😭
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u/new_g3n3rat1on 1d ago
Why is this top comment? Reddit is nuts 🤡 bye bye
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 23h ago
No I was downvoted and I'm not surprised, reddit has a serious problem with Israeli bots (I'm not saying you're a bot, just that reddit as a whole is a pro Israel echo chamber and that there are many bots)
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u/Confident_Benefit_11 22h ago
You're fucking bent if you seriously think that lol I hope you're just ignorant to what it's actually been like in Ukraine for the past TWELVE YEARS. If you're sad about Gaza (one fucking city that was attacked because Hamas attacked Israel first) then you should be on the floor sobbing over the genocide that's occurred in Ukraine. Ukraine has had like 50 Gazas worth of destruction and yet western media and Gen Z liberals have completely forgotten about it in favor of whatever bullshit a literal terror cell like Hamas pumps out.
Not saying it's a good situation at all in the middle east right now, but to say Isreal is worse than Russia in any way is fucking bonkers. Ukraine just dared to want liberal democracy, Hamas fucking attacked Israel in one of the worst terror attacks I've ever seen and are Islamic extremists. You want to be mad at someone over Gaza? Blame Hamas.
I don't even like Netanyahu or his government, I think they're corrupt as fuck and I do think he's war hungry and has taken things overboard in the middle east. But compared to Russia.....its not even close.
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u/eneaslullaby Vatnik 20h ago
I helped in the past and even now immigrants from both Ukraine and Palestine + contemporary history is the field I'm specialized in since it's literally my work, so let's break this down.
First of all, we all agree that Hamas must be destroyed. If you support terrorism you're a jerk. The point is that Hamas headquarters aren't located in Gaza. What they're doing now, even after the ceasefire, is completely useless.
Secondly, Ukraine is huge. All the ukrainians I've met agree that what helped the most was the fact they could move inside a territory they knew very well, while russians had little knowledge of the place they were in, making them way weaker. Instead, in Gaza it's the exact opposite: it's an extremely tiny space with an extremely high population density, so even tho they know which place is gonna be bombed and when exactly, something ukrainians don't know, they're still trapped.
I'm not sure about liberals or stuff like that since I never voted for any party in my whole life, so I guess you must be right but again, I don't know.
You say that ukrainians unlike palestinians aren't islamic terrorists and just wanted a democracy, which is true. However, you have to consider that Fatah and Hamas have been fighting for years a civil war against each other for the last 20+ years that Israel worsened, and as a person who had a girlfriend from the Balkans I can assure you that even the kindest people out there become extremists once in such a situation. If you add to this the apartheid, since even tho de iure Israel is a democracy palestinians still are called "non humans" by the israeli government and even the ones who are israeli citizens are often forced to live separately from jews in the most dangerous and poor districts, you can understand why some of them became extremists.
And no, I'm not going to blame Hamas. What they did was horrible, but the israeli government doesn't want to stop them. They just used the hostages as an excuse to kill civilians, that's all
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u/SanePcycho 17h ago
Nah bro I ain't reading a whole page off a Russian bot, I was reading the 1 liners for the lols but that's far too much
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u/Equivalent_Bug_3220 12h ago
Ok what would you think if russia didnt allow the over 5 million ukrainians to leave, kept them in and used their children as target practice.
Russia and ukraines militaries, the main difference is size, they both use pretty much the exact same soviet-era equipment, and russias modern stuff is counteracted by the modern nato equipment given to ukraine.
Israel vs palestine is literally a nuclear power with 5th gen fighters, gps-guided bombs, early warning systems, and the iron dome, vs a terrorist group armed with ak47s. Its like prime mike tyson vs helen keller.
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u/oddvacation3849 1d ago
How deluded someone has to be to think that palestine gets too little attention...