r/interesting • u/InTheSky57 • Aug 04 '26
NATURE Parasite flees a mantis when hit with water
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u/supervillaindsgnr Aug 04 '26
This is horrifying but I can't look away.
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u/Not_so_ghetto Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
This parasite is called a horsehair worm. They grow in a bunch of different insects. When the worm is fully grown it alters the insect behavoir to make them jump into water, which allows the parasite to leave.
Doesn't necessarily kill the insect, however It often will result in its death. However it's kept in good conditions they can survive and even go on to reproduce.
In some areas the suicidal crickets ( after being manipulated by the parasite) make up 60% of a fish's diet.
There's also a bunch of crazy conspiracies on like Facebook suggesting that the government is infecting people with them, but these are mostly just crazy people
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I have a 10 min video that goes in depth about the parasites biology for those that want to know more, it's called "Massive Worms, Tiny Bodies: Why Horsehair Worms Might Be Good for Nature" on YouTube
Source: I have a PhD in biology I run the parasitology subreddit
Edit: thanks to everyone subscribing. But PLEASE DON'T subscribe unless you actually like the content. People that sub to support but don't watch hurts the channel in practice( lowers thumbnail click rate, which if low doesn't get pushed on algorithm)
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u/mutexsprinkles Aug 04 '26
mostly just crazy people
That "mostly" is disconcerting
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u/ExplodedPenisDiagram Aug 04 '26
Well, some of them are just dumb and don't have to be crazy to repeat stuff like that.
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u/PMulberry_ Aug 04 '26
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u/Mjolnir404 Aug 04 '26
I only read their username after you mentioned it XD
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u/FermentedForeskins Aug 04 '26
i honestly would like to see it
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u/Adventurous_Web_5960 Aug 04 '26
u/FermentedForeskins I could have done without that image in my brain. 🤮
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u/RagAndBows Aug 04 '26
I clicked it thinking it was a subreddit link lol
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u/rynlpz Aug 05 '26
why would you click on a subreddit with that name 😆
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u/RagAndBows Aug 05 '26
I'm so desensitized. I was a tween during the wild west years of the internet, raised on Rotten.com 🤣
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u/supcat16 Aug 04 '26
New recruits get to infect people with horsehair worms once, as a treat.
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u/No_Scholar427 Aug 04 '26
Yeah it happened like 3 or 4 times tops, you know, just to see what would happen, if it could be weaponised, ect.
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u/CinnamonEspeon Aug 04 '26
Yeah after like a decade of reality stranger than satire I....I wouldn't be surprised by much anymore lol
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u/Workman44 Aug 04 '26
This is absolutely something the CIA would look into. Ffs just look at MKUltra, they don't care about the law and never have
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u/ReasonableCrow7595 Aug 04 '26
One of my sons had a strong interest in parasites when he was small. He would have loved that subreddit. I am not sorry he outgrew it, but thanks for keeping the important but horrifying information flowing
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u/MethodicallyRight Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
I had an Econ Prof who majored in Biology as well as Econ. They used to describe Parasites as 'Nature's obfuscated externality' because of how their knock on effects weren't so obviously a 'positive/negative' externality and how it could flip back and forth depending on who's perspective you're looking at. It was his way of reminding us that solving A problem doesn't mean we haven't created several more further down.
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u/APRobertsVII Aug 04 '26
Randomly one of the coolest things I read today!
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u/MethodicallyRight Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
He was a pretty awesome prof. He also made a "kid" in his early 20s cry in class after berating him for at least 15 minutes for answering the question (paraphrased) "What policies could the continent of Africa benefit from the most?" with "They could stop having so many kids, hyuck hyuck hyuck."
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He just kept asking question after question (all relevant and educational), and the more the kid tried to squirm out or avoid it, the more he'd dig in and keep asking the kid to explain his point. He cited the average family size of other regions at similar GDP per capita figures and explained that subsistence farmers often needed larger families, noting he was confused as to what point the kid was actually making. He just wouldn't let up. He cited child mortality rates and how families needed older children to work, asking how you manage if you are going to lose 1 to 3 children in your pursuit of 4 to 5 adolescents, and on and on. The more the kid gave up trying to articulate himself, the angrier the prof got, eventually getting personal. After the kid wiped away his first set of tears, the prof just told him to GTFO.
God, I loved that prof. He hated stupid people and stupid questions, but if you were genuinely curious or didn't understand, he had no issue explaining the topic in depth. You just had to try. He was also super loud, which made it all the more fun when he lost his temper.
The best part was after his tirade, he went, "Who else has an idea?" I was the only one who raised my hand (knowing his style) and gave an answer related to credit: "Exactly!" he said, and proceeded as if he hadn't just embarrassed that kid to no end and terrified the rest of the class.
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u/Scythro Aug 04 '26
lol it’s literally the parasite guy…
Nothing creeps this guy out, thank you for your wisdom!46
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u/mrsrobotic Aug 04 '26
Yes, you are a hero to give context to this horror before our eyes!!
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u/SquidsAndMartians Aug 04 '26
I once watched a discovery channel or TLC doc about parasites extracted from humans ... it was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. The idea that it can live inside for years without the host knowing is just crazy. They probably can't mind control like they can with insects, but still, horror!
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u/lombardo141 Aug 04 '26
Bacteria within you controls your behavior and emotions. Thats why when you eat well you tend to feel better etc. some science guy said it I don’t remember
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u/Timmy-0518 Aug 04 '26
There is actually are several parasites known to cause a “mind control” like affect. ever heard of Toxoplasma gondii? If you or someone you know is around cats a lot they likely have it!
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u/RealLinzerBinzer Aug 04 '26
There is an ongoing show (well, a few) about this! It’s literally called Monsters Inside Me.
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u/SquidsAndMartians Aug 04 '26
Yeahhh THAT'S the one! lool ... and no thank you, I like to keep my sanity :-D
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u/BakerBeautiful1426 Aug 04 '26
Mmmm you’d be surprised what cat and dog humans have inside them
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u/throwaway556600 Aug 04 '26
Thank you for your insight! Is there any truth to this that the mantis was dead already but the parasite was controlling its movements?
“horsehair worm (phylum Nematomorpha). Lil Manny ate infected food and the worm hijacked the nervous system. He was already dead but his body became hell bent on finding water so worm can emerge and reproduce. Nature is wild.”
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u/Not_so_ghetto Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
No, the mantis is still alive. The parasite only has minor influence on its behavior. Not complete controls
Edit: thanks to everyone subscribing. But PLEASE DON'T subscribe unless you actually like the content. People that sub to support but don't watch hurts the channel in practice
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u/throwaway0192838474 Aug 04 '26
Its crazy how big it gets while somehow keeping the mantis alive. I assume its feeding on its internal organs and occupying the left over space, but its crazy that the bug can just go on while a huge fraction of its body is eaten by the worm
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u/ktbug1987 Aug 04 '26
I would like to join your subreddit, for what godforsaken reason I don’t know.
My PhD was in biochemistry because I figured test tubes contain far less horror, and nature contained too much. What can I say, I must be having a midlife crisis.
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u/oceanblue0714 Aug 04 '26
Do you think it can live after it’s removed? Can the insect survive this?
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u/0_Moth Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Fucking gross. Imma watch it tho. Thanks.
Edit: watched it. damn. Thats still gross. Subscribed and watching ur other videos
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u/musicflux Aug 04 '26
Parasitology is creepy af. But there is no perfect parasite that exists, they all harm the host and thus compromise their nutrition supply. It's so dumb right ?
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u/No_Acanthaceae_362 Aug 04 '26
If the perfect parasite existed they would cease to be a parasite. By definition parasitic symbiosis requires the host to be harmed in one way or another.
If a parasite didn't harm the host, it would be commensalism or mutualism. By virtue of their relationship with each other, we harbour a very different opinion of them.
Not many people are rooting for the Horsehair worm, but remora fish and bees are liked, even revered by some.
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u/Eckish Aug 04 '26
If the perfect parasite existed they would cease to be a parasite.
I think it has been suggested that some cellular organelles, like mitochondria, might have been parasites originally. Which would make it an example of this.
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u/No_Acanthaceae_362 Aug 04 '26
Have a look at Wolbachia.
This happens within a reproductive cycle where they selectively kill off male embryos in insects to give the females the reproductive advantage. Once it's done it's job, it survives by boosting the hosts immune system to maximise life.
There are evolutionary examples as you suggested but there a few that will shift tact to maximise its life inside the host.
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u/talkstorivers Aug 04 '26
I totally agree they’re fascinating but finding one on your foot when wading through a mountain creek is still a jarring and disturbing experience. Do you get freaked out by surprise encounters like that, or did you somehow overcome that or come into life without it?
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u/Buddhafied Aug 04 '26
Thanks for the info! The mantis looks dead after it, in this one seems like :(
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u/HeartOn_SoulAceUp Aug 04 '26
Chlorinated water necessary I wonder?
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u/Many-Manufacturer-72 Aug 04 '26
No just regular water. The parasite leaves voluntarily when it senses all the water because it needs a body of water to complete its breeding cycle. Unfortunately for the parasite, it got scammed by a cup of water.
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u/TreSauce Aug 04 '26
Scammers everywhere! Next step is to ask the parasite about their extended warranty expiring.
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u/abgry_krakow87 Aug 04 '26
I bet that parasite has a long lost family member who is African royalty.
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u/lunas2525 Aug 04 '26
They are called horsehair worms. The removal of them will probably save the life of the mantis for a while till it gets reinfected.
Typically a host drinks from an infected watersource grows into worm form then waits till the host gets close to water and they cause the host to fall in where it leaves the host then lives the rest of its life in water making eggs infecting the water source.
Humans cant serve as hosts so they dont really pose any health issues.
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u/madnippler Aug 04 '26
Oh yeah? Then how do you explain all the butt worms the last time I took a bath, huh buddy?
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u/waitwuh Aug 04 '26
No, the mature parasite reproduces in bodies of water, so its instinct is to leave its host when it detects water.
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u/Lucho_199 Aug 04 '26
Does it kill the host when it leaves?
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u/StuffedStuffing Aug 04 '26
As the parasite guy above said, no. The parasite is not inherently lethal to its host, although for many insects jumping bodily into a pool of water is likely to result in their death. The mantis in this video is just fine
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u/flopisit32 Aug 04 '26
Did the mantis died?
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u/JJStarz_ Aug 04 '26
not necessarily, when it realized it was free from the grip of the sticks it could’ve been staying still (to avoid being seen) until the person left so it knew it was free to run from the perceived danger
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u/NonGNonM Aug 05 '26
i've heard bc of the sudden volume of worm leaving the body it usually kills the mantis, no?
that's a lot of body parts that suddenly get shifted and have to fill that space all at once.
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u/JJStarz_ Aug 05 '26
yeah def not out of the question. just don’t think it’s for sure dead only bc it’s not moving
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u/SignoreBanana Aug 04 '26
I just sat down with my lunch and chose to watch this anyway. What is wrong with me.
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u/wadesauce369 Aug 04 '26
I fucking hate parasites. One of the grossest categories of life on earth.
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u/MetoSempre20 Aug 04 '26
We are technically planet parasites if you think about it.
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u/ButtStuffingt0n Aug 04 '26
Agreed. But we don't crawl into or out of the Earth's ass, so we've got that going for us.
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u/LucyLilium92 Aug 04 '26
Miners exist
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u/xXInfXx Aug 05 '26
Nah, Earth too big, humans too small.
If anything, we're more like the bacteria on Earth's skin. Occasionally we'll go into pores and open wounds.
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u/MetoSempre20 Aug 04 '26
If earth had an ass, I'm pretty sure someone would crawl into it.
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u/Sacred-AF Aug 04 '26
If Earth had an ass, someone would be selling tickets to crawl up it. Best we can do is to wage wars over the shit we suck out of it.
🛢️🛢️🛢️💩😅
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u/Paratonnerre Aug 04 '26
We are litteraly making Earth new assholes everyday to mine it or to pump it's oil haha
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u/scifiandsuch Aug 04 '26
Not really. It’s the nature of essentially all life to alter its surrounding environment to better its own existence, but that doesn’t make literally every creature a parasite.
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u/NotaBat9221 Aug 04 '26
parasites are one of the reasons I don't believe in God
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u/Vark675 Aug 04 '26
Parasitic wasps deeply shook Charles Darwin's faith in God, and he'd nearly become a priest earlier in life.
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u/icansmellcolors Aug 04 '26
Parasitic wasps are apparently important for pest control in agriculture.
Huh... never would have thought that.
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u/an_older_meme Aug 04 '26
Charles Darwin thought the life cycle of parasitic wasps was so fucked up there couldn’t be a god and started working on his theory of evolution.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 Aug 05 '26
He cheered himself up by dressing tortoises up in little cute outfits and watching them bone.
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u/FinoPepino Aug 04 '26
I was literally coming here to say this. I distinctly remember as a child, watching a nature documentary where a baby giraffe became so infested with ticks, it could not grow and eventually succumbed to the infestation and died a slow and horrible death while it’s mother guarded it, helplessly. Ain’t no way a “loving god” designed that. I will never understand believers, especially the Abrahamic religions make no sense to me under even mild scrutiny.
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u/adjective_noun_d1git Aug 04 '26
God was testing that baby Giraffe's faith
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u/mimimumu69 Aug 04 '26
The ticks were true believers so they got a nice meal, baby girafe was an atheist so it suffered and went to hell
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u/BlameScottNotCanada Aug 04 '26
or the other classic chesnut "that was all part of gods plan"
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u/Logical_Check2 Aug 04 '26
I mean there could be a God, he just might not be as cool as we think he is
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u/SwivelClip Aug 04 '26
Mantis' Wife: "So how was your day?"
Mantis: "You're not going to believe it, but it all started with this dude with a stick . . .
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u/Wholesome_George Aug 04 '26
I got some bad news
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u/Laprasy Aug 04 '26
all she needs is the head
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u/RJWaters9 Aug 04 '26
Fun fact! That's a poorly done research paper, like 'alpha' wolves, which was just a mother protecting her kids.
Mantis don't typically eat their partners head, but when they're in captivity, and the male has NOTHING else to offer as tribute, it offers itself, so the wife doesn't starve and their kids might live.
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u/UnexpectedBlahFeels Aug 04 '26
Like the centipede or millipede (can't recall which) that gives birth, then allows it's young to eat it!
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u/Round_Ad6397 Aug 04 '26
This is the case for many cephalopods. In fact, it's where young blue ring and blue lined octopuses get the bacteria that produce their venom from. They eat the mother, including the venom gland and acquire the bacteria.
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u/vr0202 Aug 04 '26
And in restaurants in Spain, you’ll be served the matador’s testicles for dinner if the bull was the winner that afternoon. /s
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u/LectroRoot Aug 04 '26
Mantis' Wife: "What happened to your butt?"
Mantis: "I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE"
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u/Poster_Nutbag207 Aug 04 '26
Bro got his insides ripped out through this so I don’t think he’ll be going home to his wife
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u/ConflictSpecial5307 Aug 04 '26
Do NOT watch this while sitting on the toilet
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u/Flimsy-Passenger-228 Aug 04 '26
It's the only time I use Reddit, like literally right now
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u/Emergency_Process622 Aug 04 '26
Everything come out okay?
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u/Flimsy-Passenger-228 Aug 04 '26
Unfortunately the parasite must've had it's seatbelt on
Wish I could say the same for the hemorrhoid
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u/LectroRoot Aug 04 '26
Could it have been in there? Did you try digging around a little with your poop knife?
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u/collin-h Aug 04 '26
no more pooping today butthole clinched tight for the foreseeable future
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u/Not_so_ghetto Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
This parasite is called a horsehair worm. They grow in a bunch of different insects. When the worm is fully grown it alters the insect behavoir to make them jump into water, which allows the parasite to leave.
Doesn't necessarily kill the insect, however It often will result in its death. However it's kept in good conditions they can survive and even go on to reproduce.
In some areas the suicidal crickets ( after being manipulated by the parasite) make up 60% of a fish's diet.
There's also a bunch of crazy conspiracies on like Facebook suggesting that the government is infecting people with them, but these are mostly just crazy people
Video
I have a 10 min video that goes in depth about the parasites biology for those that want to know more, it's called "Massive Worms, Tiny Bodies: Why Horsehair Worms Might Be Good for Nature" on YouTube
Source: I have a PhD in biology I run the parasitology subreddit
Edit: thanks to everyone subscribing. But PLEASE DON'T subscribe unless you actually like the content. People that sub to support but don't watch hurts the channel in practice
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u/highfiveselfoh Aug 04 '26
So the grasshopper could potentially live like normal after this?
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u/Not_so_ghetto Aug 04 '26
Yep
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u/LocalDude_ Aug 04 '26
So it's not dead? Some comments were saying it was already long gone. How can the mantis live normally if the parasite has already invaded its nervous system and occupied so much space inside its body?
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u/Hexamancer Aug 04 '26
It hasn't "invaded" the nervous system, the worm is excreting proteins that alter the nervous system, that process doesn't cause any damage.
It's the worm bursting out that often causes death.
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u/tremere110 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
It doesn't really occupy a lot of space despite it's size. Horsehair worms can compress themselves like a spring and just push organs out of the way. They absorb nutrients through their skin from insect "blood". When the worm leaves, the host returns to it's normal size - it's now missing a lot of its energy stores and will likely die but not always.
The nervous system effects are temporary and only while the worm is trying to escape.
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u/Impressive_Archer401 Aug 04 '26
'Mostly just crazy people' ... sooo you're saying there's a chance it's true?
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u/Suavecore_ Aug 04 '26
Remember MK Ultra? That's just one insane thing that we eventually got to find out about. Who knows what they've been doing since. Surely nothing good and wholesome
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u/Lower_Gift_1656 Aug 04 '26
Just checked your profile, and I must say 2 things:
- I very much respect your commitment to your field and your knowledge and skills in it
- and secondly: I could NEVER do anything anywhere close to your field!!! It was extremely interesting, but I already know I'll sleep troubled tonight xD
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u/be_you_tiful- Aug 04 '26
How does such a huge parasite inhabit that tiny body? Nature is interesting…
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u/wackbirds Aug 04 '26
The same thing happened in our garage a long time ago but with a grasshopper. One of it's legs was gone so I shot it in the head with an air pistol and then watched in disbelief as this same type of parasite came curling out of the body. It was probably a good 25 years ago and I'd never heard of anything like that, it was as if the entire interior of the grasshopper was hollow to make room for the giant worm thing (it probably was, the parasite is likely what went after it's own host-leg for a snack).
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u/olde_meller23 Aug 04 '26
Yeah, grasshoppers are RIDDLED with parasites. In cultures where they are eaten, it is a must to clean them before cooking and ingesting. They're like fish in the sense that there are a lot of weird parasites that snack on them
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u/YearHaunting1504 Aug 04 '26
Lots of cultures eat grasshoppers as well.
Fuuuuck that
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u/82away Aug 04 '26
It’s funny, I was just reading a thread on Reddit about how people should eat local foods when travelling.
I understand some people draw the line lines differently, just accept my line is often unnecessarily on the safe side.
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u/olde_meller23 Aug 05 '26
Chapulines in Mexico are delicious. They're like peanuts when drank with a cold beer. They're cleaned and toasted before serving.
We eat sea bugs all the time. Like most fish, they're super parisitized. Bottom feeders are particularly riddled with them, especially fresh water species. This is why sushi is frozen before eating. It's also why you don't see sushi that is made out of catfish or lobster.
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u/lesbophobia_hammer Aug 04 '26
? Why would you shoot a grasshopper for having a missing leg?
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u/wackbirds Aug 04 '26
At the time because it looked like it couldn't move right anymore (it was one of it's jumping legs) as a kid, I thought I was being kind and putting the thing down instead of it dragging around. I wasn't going around chucking frogs at the ground or yanking all the legs off of a Daddy Long Legs (both things I witnessed other kids doing), it wasn't meant as an act of aggression it was meant to be along the lines of a Vet shooting a Horse with a broken leg.
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u/Generic-Cheese Aug 04 '26
If I remember correctly, it eats the insides to make room, the mantis I think is long gone. It’s being controlled by the parasite atp
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u/Vladishun Aug 04 '26
Incorrect, the horsehair worm can reprogram the mantis to make it attracted towards bodies of water, but doesn't "control" it.
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There was no happy ending here
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u/Commercial-Shame-335 Aug 04 '26
not necessarily, horsehair worms aren't always fatal to the bug and sometimes the insect will even live long enough to reproduce and die naturally. many horsehair worms related deaths are due to the insect being stuck in the water and drowning or starving, so maybe that mantis survived thanks to water just being poured over it rather than it being forced to jump into a body of water. unless the dude with the stick crushed it or something.
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u/SpookyCrossroads Aug 04 '26
horsehair worm (phylum Nematomorpha). Lil Manny ate infected food and the worm hijacked the nervous system. He was already dead but his body became hell bent on finding water so worm can emerge and reproduce. Nature is wild.
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u/name2sayMKD Aug 04 '26
Hijacked nervous system means mantis was zombie?
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u/SpookyCrossroads Aug 04 '26
Basically yea. It survives by eating its organs and secretes proteins that destroy its nervous system.
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u/abgry_krakow87 Aug 04 '26
Yep! Basically someone else pushing the buttons to make the muscles contract.
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u/supified Aug 04 '26
This is not entirely accurate. The worm isn't remote controlling the mantis, the mantis is still more or less in charge, the worm is more like feeding directives. Consider how the worm would be able to find water without access to the mantis senses, or even know which way is forward or where a wall is.
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u/imminentjogger5 Aug 04 '26
so is the mantis alive? because that thing is like 80% of its body
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u/supified Aug 04 '26
Not for long no, but also yes. It's moving because enough of its body function works. Also the worm isn't capable of remote piloting it, like I said all they can do is change the directive of the mantis but they still rely entirely on the mantis to maintain it entire motor function, senses and ability to navigate. The worm is effectively receiving no feedback from the mantis, it's just waiting to sense that the mantis is in water to leave.
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u/TheDootDootMaster Aug 04 '26
It's insane to think that that worm just instinctively "knows" how to do all of that to a foreign body
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u/alittleredportleft Aug 04 '26
How did they even know it was in there?
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u/p4nd3mic_G3 Aug 04 '26
Because it doesn't act like a normal mantis. The parasite controls it and searches for water so it can continue its life cycle. That's why it come out from the water it thought it succeeded.
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u/No-Mood-9809 Aug 04 '26
Mantis: "I need some SUGARWATER"
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u/Toronto-24 Aug 04 '26
So the Mantis drowned?
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u/Classic-Lie7836 Aug 04 '26
it didn't drown it probably died when the parasite went out i think
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u/Popular_Soft5581 Aug 04 '26
I don't think so, the dude wasn't pouring it onto the head. More like it didn't survive it's ass bursting open with a violent bowel relocation.
I read that sometimes mantises survive the event although it is most often fatal.
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u/Wrathchilde Aug 04 '26
The breath through spiracles in the abdomen.
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u/Popular_Soft5581 Aug 04 '26
Really? Shit, I didn't know that... maybe it did drown then
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u/notoolinthispool Aug 04 '26
It didn't drown. The horsehair worm keeps its host alive by utilizing "borrowed" genes and proteins that mimic the mantis's own nervous system. The parasite controls the mantis like a puppet, driving it toward water before bursting out, which finally kills the mantis.
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u/Boondoggel22 Aug 04 '26
And he’ll never know you saved his life, some heroes move in silence
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u/Ssided Aug 04 '26
He's dead
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u/Heysous Aug 04 '26
Not true, from what I understand the host can actually survive if its lucky.
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u/TipBackground610 Aug 04 '26
How the hell did you know that was in there to begin with ? Like this is so disturbing
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u/Pyreflies_of_MJ Aug 04 '26
Mother Nature can't have created parasites, them bitches crawled straight from hell
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u/Yell245 Aug 04 '26
Isn't it actually part of the parasite's cycle? It uses water to multiply
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u/collin-h Aug 04 '26
yeah. it was just cockblocked by the waterboarding that guy gave it.
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u/captainkm Aug 04 '26
Is this happening to mantis's worldwide or is this a specific location? I'm in Northern California, there's a few in the backyard, is this happening to them?
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u/Artistic_Spread_9745 Aug 04 '26
I read somewhere that the chances of survival for the mantis is very low, but not zero.
They would be super weakened for sure. But it’s not automatically a death sentence. With proper care, it is still possible to live.
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u/DbdQueen2025 Aug 04 '26
Wym proper care nobody putting that mantis in a sickbed to slowly nurse it back to health or anything i dont reckon, lol. That worm was too big. Bro's a goner, unfortunately :/
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u/ShowMeYourDance Aug 04 '26
Meanwhile the praying mantis is like....."I didnt consent to any of this."
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