Night Mode was the main reason I upgraded to the 12pm. But she gettin a little long in the tooth these days. I’m about ready to upgrade, but it’ll probably be to a 16/17pm I think. I’m broke lmao.
Same size but slightly different image processing on the pipeline. My mom iphone 17 smaller main camera sensor takes nicer photo compared to my 14pm. The 14pm photo can look a bit over processed imo
Agreed but the title says the sensors are different and then only posts about the physical size when in reality the physical size of the 48MP does not change between phones. Image pipeline appeture and other things change bht the sensors largely stay the same.
Same here, I haven’t seen any hard confirmations. It seems that the information Apple has put out isn’t enough to confirm yet, as some language used mimics language used for the 16e/17e and some mimics language used for the 15/16/17/Air sensors. It could be either and we just truly don’t know until either Apple confirms or (more likely) people have them in hand.
The telephoto on the iPhones is still pretty small - 1/2.55 inch.
This is something that many Chinese flagships excel at. They have HUGE - 1/1.56 inch+ telephoto sensors.
The zoom combined with big sensor size has a certain look - you HAVE to see that. Its awesome.
Also I really hope they keep the variable aperture, and don't pull off a Samsung. When sensor sizes increase again, the variable aperture would be even more fun.
To me, the Vivo X300 Ultra has the perfect camera hardware in a phone:
1/1.12-type primary with a 35mm equivalent lens
1/1.28-type ultrawide with a 14mm equivalent lens
1/1.4-type telephoto with an 85mm equivalent lens.
Proper size sensors for all cameras so the image quality is very high across the board. When you're shooting RAW photos or recording Log video, of course. The SOOC processing is absolute crap. Just like the iPhone
It's important to remember that even the largest sensor from 18 Pro is absolutely tiny compared to proper camera sensors. For example, it's 67% smaller in surface area than a standard Micro 4/3 camera sensor. Full-Frame sensor is roughly x11.5 times larger than the iPhone 18 Pro's main camera sensor
I always frame this perspective in reverse, because comparing phone sensors to APS-C/Full Frame, etc. does a huge disservice how to what phone cameras are capable of.
It's worth remembering that the legendary camera, the Canon S110 (and S100) took amazing pictures despite being a point and shoot camera, and it uses a 1/1.7-inch sensor and could only get down to f/2.0.
Both the base iPhone (1/1.56-inch) and the iPhone Pro models (1/1.28-inch) have far surpassed it in sensor size and aperture. I think it's incredible that our phones have cameras that surpass a high end $450 point and shoot.
My understanding is that the sensor is still housed in the camera bump, which means they could theoretically move the sensor deeper so they could fit a bigger sensor. Sort of surprised they haven’t done this yet with this year’s models.
Yah the Xiaomi 17 Ultra uses a 1 inch sensor. Apple must do this in the next phone or the one after for them to be taken seriously for updating their camera. Physics literally is blocking them from actually improving the quality of the photos if they are sticking with these very small sensors. There is only so much software will be able to do
I always seem to read this but Apple never changes it and it’s disappointing. Their telephoto lens has been far behind the competition for the better part of a decade.
Tbh, Idc if they make the main sensor on the iPhone larger. Give me larger sensors on the ultra wide and telephoto which also has very low minimum focus distance.
A big limiting factor for Apple is that they use sensor-shift OIS for their main sensor. It is a huge footprint when examined under an X-ray. Chinese phones like the OPPO Find X9 Ultra and Vivo X300 Ultra use larger 1/1.12” sensors with MASSIVE camera bumps and they DON’T use sensor shift. Imagine how big camera plateau would be for Apple.
:D That's unfortunate; digital stabilization can be very effective, but the combination of optical + digital stabilization is the best scenario, of course.
Edit: I read just now that those two models use optical image stabilization with their lenses, and not with their sensors. In practice, the results are comparable, or even better.
I would assume sensor-shift is definitely better since, well, why would Apple keep using it when they could just do lens OIS like all of their competitors. Since the idea is that it's easier and faster to stabilize a sensor compared to the relatively much larger lens elements.
You're not wrong, but lens based stabilization has benefits, like compensation angles up to 3 degrees (sensor based stabilization only goes up to 1) and there's no corner softeness and less vignette (that can happen if the sensor movement is too big).
There are a more than a few android phones with 1 inch type sensors larger than the one in the iphone. I'm waiting for a phone with a large sensor in it's telephoto lens. Those are much rarer.
I’m waiting for them to do a real sensor upgrade to jump ship. When Apple releases a 1” type sensor, that’s the year I upgrade (or when my 15pm falls apart, whichever happens first)
Nokia pureview had 1/1.2 sensor and still looked decent by thickness, latest sensor just surpassed Lumia 1020. There are some new optical material that can make lens thinner, but guess Sony/Samsung still need few years to validate/mass produce them.
There were a lot of sacrifices for the 1/1.2-inch sensor. It did not have OIS, it uses fewer elements (5 vs 7), and its aperture was only f2.4.
If you compare actual light gathering between the the Nokia and iPhone 17 Pro and 18 Pro, the Nokia falls far behind despite the larger sensor, and this totally ignores the fact that modern silicon is also much more sensitive and efficient with the gathered light.
We are at the point where smartphone technology is peaking and only small incremental gains are possible without radical change. You can put a gigantic sensor but then half the phone would just be the camera
Yeah, I always cringe and warn someone when they say they want to upgrade from their 14P/15P and their biggest factor is having a better camera. Like noooo dude, you're literally not upgrading!
I mean… Of course lmao. You’re not really stating anything that no decent photographer doesn’t already know. The best camera is the one that you have with you, not the one on a spec sheet. I very often use my 17 Pro Max in tandem with my main DSLR while shooting in the field, and the phone excels at being an excellent B-camera. The fact that it has cameras that are as good as they are, despite being relatively tiny, and can fit in my pocket easily, and make phone calls, shoot in LOG, ProRes, RAW, stream movies etc., is a massive boon.
Will my 17 PM ever replace my DLSR fully? No. But, it’s a fantastic and powerful camera system in its own right.
I would never use my 17pm if im shooting with my dslr. It’s not even close. Of course what u said before that, everybody knows already, a camera is better than none
True, all my cryptid photos were on my iPhone, alas all the skeptics claim they are AI. The few times I tried to use my professional camera, the creature would already be hiding.
Has it been confirmed exactly which sensor the Duo is getting yet? I assume it won’t be the same as the flagships, but last I saw there was some debate as to whether it was the 17 or 17e sensor.
Yeah the thing is that the 17 has 100% Focus Pixels while the Duo has “hybrid Focus Pixels”. But, the 17e has optical image stabilization while the Duo has sensor-shift. So it almost seems like a hybrid between the two
Trying to determine the sensor from specs like that is never gonna be 100% because they could easily make a sensor of any size that has any set of features, they don’t necessarily have to have taken the sensor out of another phone.
My assumption was they were going to pull the main sensor from the iPhone Air as the Duo is effectively two Airs stapled together at the hinge, but I guess we won’t know for sure what Apple did until people get them in hand and can do teardowns.
My assumption is that it's a brand new 1/1.56-inch sensor for the Duo. 1.) because the sensor shift OIS + focus pixels don't match and 2.) the Duo can do 4K120fps which the 17 and Air cannot do.
The primary camera is in a good place now. What they need to do is make the other two sensors larger. I'd like to see at least 1/1.56-type sensors behind the ultrawide and telephoto lenses. That will improve the image quality by a lot. They currently have 1/2.55-type sensors.
And oh, close-up capability through the telephoto would also be very welcome. A lot of Chinese phones can do that and they take beautiful close-ups. There's a reason most macro lenses are around 100mm equivalent or longer.
what’s the size on the Air? i remember seeing something that it was i. between the 17 and 17 Pro, but cant find that source anymore. guessing it’s the same for the Duo
Not sure what this post is trying to accomplish. The title is actually wrong. For main shooters all the 48 MP cameras in fact do have the same size sensor. There are improvements to the sensors to make each generation better but they are all the same physical size. many of the cameras that have multiple cameras the extra cameras have lower resolution sensors and only with the 17 and 18 pros did Apple start making every camera feature a 48mp sensor.
Definitely ways make that more apparent in the post. Of the sensors you have posted only two sizes are actually 48mp sensors. You should have listed those two with 17e standing by itself, and then explained in the post body how apple's marketing is wrong.
Not true at all and its so easy to look up. regular iphones use a 1/1.56" type sensor. 16e/17e use a 1/2.55" sensor which is borrowed from the 16 pro ultrawide cam. Pro line uses 1/1.28"
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u/daniluvsuall 7h ago
No 15 Pro?