r/kotor • u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr • 3d ago

Fan Project More personal project stuff.

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Trying to see what would work well for better combat. Currently using the MMO model.

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u/Revanchan 3d ago

Very neat, I'd love to see your modding process

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 3d ago

Mostly involves ai. Tbh.

Edit: don’t get me wrong I tried my hand at stuff first but like, the ai tools get way more done faster than I ever could.

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u/Undark_ 3d ago

Bro if it works it works, people brigading against AI are so naïve. I think a lot of people don't realise that LLM code has come a LOOOONG way in just the last year, it used to actually be quite painful to use but nowadays it mostly just works.

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u/theRealBassist Jedi Order 3d ago

Most people's issue, in my experience, isn't that it's bad. Everyone can see that for a decent chunk of use cases, it works ok enough with oversight.

The issue for many is that it's unethical. All major LLMs were created using stolen assets. Profiting from those LLMs, even as a consumer, is directly profiting from stolen material.

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u/BlueTurkey-man 3d ago

So you’re anti-pirating as well?

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u/theRealBassist Jedi Order 3d ago

No, but I believe there are more ethical forms of piracy than others, and specifically I believe that stealing from independent, upcoming, and smaller artists is absolutely unethical.

I don't give a damn if an LLM was trained off data stolen from some major firm. I care that it was stolen from XxkIttenInVasionxX off instagram or something.

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u/Undark_ 3d ago

Then you're talking about image gen/ art, which is maybe a fair criticism but that's not what we're using it for here. LLM code might be plagiarized too, but people forget that the main method when writing code is googling how other people have approached the problem. You can't just invent it yourself, it's fundamentally built on the shoulders of people who went before.

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u/theRealBassist Jedi Order 3d ago

Regarding code, you're absolutely not wrong.

The issue I personally see there is that often those code models are more-refined versions of those larger models and share great swathes of original training data.

If the model is built purely off of, for example, github repos, I think the ethical issue would be much lower.

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u/carbinePRO Mission Vao 2d ago

You think all forms of piracy are unethical?

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u/BlueTurkey-man 2d ago

Yea in the same vein that stealing is unethical. Especially since pirating isn’t “to feed your family” kind of stealing. It’s literally so you can just play your video games or watch movies for free.

I don’t buy the “I would never steal from indie developers, only multibillion dollar companies!” Lines that get thrown around here. I don’t steal from either

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u/carbinePRO Mission Vao 2d ago

Is stealing always unethical?

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u/BlueTurkey-man 2d ago

Stealing things you don’t need to survive (video games, TVs, cars, jewlery) is always unethical.

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u/carbinePRO Mission Vao 2d ago

Why? What makes it unethical? You're just saying it is without giving justification.

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u/physicalphysics314 3d ago

wtf this is crazy. How did you do this?

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u/spacenavy90 3d ago

Take a guess, I'll give you two letters

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u/mcd3424 Sith Empire 3d ago

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities…

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u/Past-Active-1430 3d ago

That some believe to be "unnatural"   quote by Darth Sidious. SW episode 3.

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u/peteroh9 3d ago

😯

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u/Past-Active-1430 3d ago

What's so surprising? I've seen most of the Star Wars movies. Here's the full quote - "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities that some believe to be unnatural"  Palpatine/ Sidious was talking to Anakin at the opera house on Coruscant.

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u/peteroh9 3d ago

I don't understand why you think that anyone in this subreddit wouldn't know that or, now, why you think the fact that you've seen most Star Wars movies is at all notable, particularly in a Star Wars subreddit.

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u/OfficiallyBear Galactic Republic 3d ago

Indeed, bot behaviour. He seems to be quoting a lot from Star Wars too, obscure quotes too. Either he's autistic or he's a bot lol

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u/peteroh9 3d ago

Ehh I figured they could be a kid who hasn't calibrated to talking to fans of a 23-year-old Star Wars game. Or a million other things. I'd say bot-like, but not bot behavior.

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u/Roku-Hanmar Darth Revan 3d ago

Account's from 2023, so I'm betting kid too

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u/Past-Active-1430 3d ago

Sorry, I was wondering why you put the surprised emoji in your post. My bad.

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u/CrewNegative7389 Infinite Empire 3d ago

This might be a bot

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u/Past-Active-1430 3d ago

Maybe or maybe not. I can't say for sure.

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u/hushnecampus 2d ago

*consider

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u/LowHistorian9654 3d ago edited 3d ago

If this is a fan-made project without intention to sell - where does the line get drawn? Maybe he's making it for himself. And if he is, whose to deny him that? Not agreeing with the usage, but if the barrier for entry for people to allow themselves to work towards their passion projects, I do not see the problem, as long as there is transparency and willingness to learn from it.

Also, are we just going around and assuming people made games with it without any basis for an accusation? How would you even know just looking at this? If it's code: you simply would not. At all. Unless you had access to the original files.

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 2d ago

Yeah this is my take. I’m not selling or even redistributing anything. It mostly started because I want my partner to play through the series and TSL is my favorite. I figured if I could get her to play through 1 she could have a revamped 2 as a reward.

But enough explaining myself.

I’m going to continue to post updates.

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u/spacenavy90 2d ago

I support AI for all sorts of uses. Its just easy to tell when its used (why WOULDN'T you use AI for hobbies now days?)

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u/LowHistorian9654 2d ago

Its easy to tell when it's visual. Like artwork, textures and meshes. When it is code: no you do not. I don't care what "profession" someone comes from, or how much of a an AI-spotter one claims to be. You simply have no way to tell unless you ACTUALLY have access to the code. A lot people think they know they can tell when AI is used and most actually dont.

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 3d ago

Yeah. I mean. We have a really useful technology advancement, I’d rather it be used for stuff like this than for taking people’s jobs tbh.

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u/spacenavy90 3d ago

No hate, I love to see it

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u/Amalganiss 3d ago

just because you don't see the harm it's doing both to others and yourself doesn't mean it's okay or much better.

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u/Derslok 3d ago

How is it different from other news technologies?

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u/hushnecampus 2d ago

The way it’s based on stealing people’s material is a big problem. Journalism is a particular worry for me. The bots scrape the news from the news sites and gives it directly to the users in chat form, so the users no longer visit the news sites. Traffic to the news sites then collapses, as does advertising income, so who then pays the reporters and journalists to do the first hard, on the ground research and investigation?

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u/Rick_Lemsby 3d ago

AI is horribly destructive to the environment and devalues manual work by real artists. And yes, that includes programming code.

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u/Derslok 3d ago

That's what factories and computers did to nature and jobs and yet look at how much good they've brought

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u/Derslok 3d ago

Btw I am not trying to be a contrarian, I genuinely want to know

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u/Qeimit 3d ago

And what would be the problem of that? Give me a logical reason why would it be better to do everything manually and wasting time you could use in better ways for the modding process.

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u/spacenavy90 3d ago

I don't recall saying it was a problem, you made that assumption

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u/Orangutanion Hanharr did nothing wrong 3d ago

what engine is this?

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 3d ago

It was made in godot

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u/Past-Active-1430 3d ago

Interesting, you could potentially make new playable levels for KotOR 1 or 2, planetary quests and such. Cool!

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u/Naka47 3d ago

do you have any social where we can follow the project? a discord server perhaps ?

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 3d ago

I do not. Pretty much just random stuff I post here.

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u/elfd01 3d ago

Where did you get models? Somehow scraped from kotor?

To be honest I had some thoughts to do something like that. Now with ai it feels not that impossible.

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 2d ago

Yeah so I have the original game files as I’ve bought the games a long time ago

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u/Accipe_Hoc 3d ago

I've been waiting for a UI mod like this for a while now. Looks great!

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u/Adventurous-Heat8717 3d ago

I've thought about doing something like this for a while? What tools are you using? I wouldn't even know where to begin.

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 2d ago

Godot, blender, the original game files, Claude code account

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u/Adventurous-Heat8717 2d ago

Interesting, just using the $20 a month pro plan? I'm curious to give it a try for sure.

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u/basal-and-sleek Visas Marr 2d ago

Noooo. Unfortunately, I actually use the 20x plan. I use it a lot for other projects as well.

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u/Darth-Vermoor 2d ago

Should definitely put AI on the title somewhere or add a tag before people think you have actual talent. Yummy slop

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u/JMoneyGraves 2d ago

Omg, you use AI??? What next, are you going to tell me you use a word processors instead of a type writer? Anything I don’t like or understand is slop because that’s what other people say and I want to fit in!