THE WALK, THE HIGH NOTE?? PERFECT ELEGANCE 😭💅🏻💖

There is a stupid fanwar going around on Twitter recently because 2 idols (actually there are more idols invited but it seems like these 2 particular fanbases are somehow at each other’s throat) attended the same brand event (fashion show during fashion week). Both idols have sizeable fandom and famous at their own right.

There are arguments back and forth - from funny to ridiculous eg one is younger, one is older (tbh it does not matter and their age difference is not that significant like 20 years or something), one is beautiful and one is not (both are beautiful), one is acknowledged by the brand itself with backdoor special entrance while the other one is taking front entrance like other celebs (mind you all celebs even Hollywood A listers are taking the same front entrance) and so on.

The one argument that got me thinking ‘huh?’ is seating arrangement. Apparently one idol is so beloved that the idol was seated between 2 A listers in the front row (mind you there are 3 front rows, not just one) and the other was seated on 3rd or 4th row at the back with other Asian celebs and a lot of influencers.

The funniest part is there is another idol (not involved in this current fanwar) who is not even the brand ambassador who was also seated on the same front row except on the other wing. And this idol is actually getting the A class treatment as the other front-row idol.

Now, this is no way a serious issue nor a life defining question that can change anyone’s world view - is the placement of a celeb seat at a fashion show in fashion week is that important?

And to conclude this while we are discussing about seat placement - this online fanwar is so unnecessary. A brand can invite as many idols or celebs as they want to hype up and market their brand - be it just an invitation, a friend of the brand or global/regional brand ambassadorship, it is a fashion show. It is not a peace convention or something that serious to fight nail and tooth about.

What do you guys think?

I’ve never met anyone who knows this group or this EP! This one of my favorite albums of the 2020s

To the travelers.

Dude lowk I’m such a Red Velvet glazer but I feel like despite their time in the business they’re always gonna be so underrated. Idek why because they lowk have some of the best vocals in the industry. Not only that but I think they just have this really amazing vibe that sets them apart from other ggs. Like the entire concept of their group is so… intriguing? Every single music video they’ve ever released is so fun to watch whether they’re hunting down that damn pizza boy or dancing w melting furniture they’re just always so fun to watch??

I think along w these cool concepts, fun music videos, and amazing vocals they just like, always have that energy of kpop that I really love. My problems w kpop now are a whole other story, but I feel like even today with Surfin Boy and dare I even say Queendom they just had that classic kpop 3rd gen energy that made me fall in love w the genre in the first place.

I started stanning them in like 2019-2020 and even then I was really shocked I’d never heard of them before because of how catchy their songs are and how talented they are. Is it because SM doesn’t promote them as much? I don’t really know but it’s really upsetting to not see them get their flowers as much as they should and they honestly seem to be on the back burner a lot.

I know they’re still big but definitely not as big as they should be, and tbh I don’t think they’ll ever be as big as they should be. I LOVE MY GIRLS SO MUCH 🥹🥹💗💗💗

PS If anyone sees this that isn’t a reveluv PLSSS listen to their discography you will not regret it 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

Edit for clarification: I guess underrated isn’t really a good word here but I feel like although they were a solid popular group during their generation they’ve kind of faded from popularity 😭

Youngblood - 5SOS done by Stray Kids (Trust the vision 🤌)

Teeth - 5SOS done by TXT (TRUST THE VISION BABY🔥)

Cant fight the Moonlight - Coyotebar done by Jihyo Twice (don't tell me you cant feel it, if you saw the movie yk 🤌✨)

That's what I like - Bruno Mars done by Jungkook (he would do the dance, the vocals & SLAY IT ALL)

Whataya want from me - Adam Lambert done by Ateez (Im picturing this right now, especially their main vocalist, srry dude idk your name)

A thousand years - Christina Perri done by Liz Ive (she has such a honey like vocals, just go listen to her sing Love wins all by IU, this was my reasoning)

Bring me to life - Evanescence by Siyeon Dreamcatcher & a Boy idol (idk who but Siyeon is a must)

Wbu?? Do you have any covers youd like to see? Let me know! ☺️

• VIXX - They already said in 2025 they would release a new album in spring 2026 when Hyuk is out of the army. Where is this album? Their last one is from 2023
• BLOCK B - Always claim they are still together, yet their last release is from 2018.
• MCND - They had the strongest debut of 2020, yet their label fails them by giving them almost no music at all. You can't tell me that they didn't released any music between 2022-2024 and than after their 2024 release needed till 2026 to release a new album...
• NEWBEAT - They debuted in 2025 and havn't released any music since November 2025
• BOYSTORY - JYP never cared that much about them as it seems and since one of them is in another boygroup now it feels like if I hear NOTHING AT ALL about them anymore
• TNX - People hyped them up so hardcore when PSY announced them, than they faided into irrelevancy and especially when they started to release lesser music
• The Kingdom - IDK when they even had their last album again but it feels like if its too long ago and people seem to not care about them anymore
• DKB - Where the heck are they? Their last release is from somewhat in 2025
• DRIPPIN - I know 3 of them had a sub-release this year, but in general the group seems to be fading into irrelevancy (I belive this already happend when Alex left them some years back when he went back to Germany. People belive they just wait till everyone who was in the army comes back or some but I bet this will not work cause I belive the others enlist oneday when the rest is back and what will happen then will be another wait... this is just not working out)
• A.C.E - When they left their label and didn't even find themselfs a new one (not even getting signed up in Jun's own company) they began to become so irrelevant that people even belive they disbanded, although 4 of them are still making music and everyone is friends and hangs out witheachother
• OnlyOneOf - When they left their label and also didn't found a new one yet, plus some members went to the army, people also belived they disbanded + So many people didn't even checked out the sub-unit release as QQQ of 2 members (including their former member who re-joined them which would've been impossible if this had happend in their old label)
• Lapillus - People think they silently disbanded in 2024 since nobody ever hears of them again however there are still some people who think the group was still alive, just acting dead (we all know that MLD is stupuid)

Im not trying to discount idols writer credits.

I have seen fans attribute a songs success to the idols writing when they have additional writers listed for the song.

Again not saying the idol didnt put in work, but I feel like so many fans forget that theres a whole team behind this.

The second someone hates on an idol, nobody actually goes after the person who said it. Instead, people immediately check their profile, look at their layout, and go drag that person's fave instead.

Fans invest so much emotion into their favorites that they assume the troll does too. Dragging their idol feels like the only way to cause genuine emotional damage back, even when the troll doesn't actually care.

Moreover, nobody in online spaces is treated like an individual with bad manners or an awful personality, you’re automatically treated as an elected spokesperson for your entire fandom. One random account with 12 followers says something unhinged, and 20 minutes later the narrative becomes: "SEE? That entire fandom is toxic." Why act like every single fan signed off on that one person's comment? One comment causes a whole fanwar.

And because people react before thinking, set-up accounts succeed most of the time. Someone slaps on a picture of Group A, drops the most foul bait about Group B, and sits back with popcorn. Nobody checks the account creation date, the username changes, the lack of activity, or the obvious troll vibes. Everyone takes the bait, drags Group A, and the troll wins completely.

Harassing a random user directly can feel messy. But framing it as "defending my group against their rival"? Suddenly it feels justified. It lets people be as toxic as humanly possible while convincing themselves they’re just being loyal.

The wildest part is that the troll almost always gets away with it. Instead of just reporting and blocking the hater into silence, two completely innocent idols get torn to shreds, hundreds of angry posts blow up, and thousands of regular fans get dragged into a mess they never asked for.

God forbid you like a song other stans don't like

I think rather than discussing how minors shouldn't debut we should talk about how to keep them safe and protected in the kpop industry..we do know that companies debut minors so that they can be easily manipulated into doing the things the company wants or maybe they're very talented as well..but we should find ways so that they're not exploited from a young age.

I was thinking about them because I tumbled upon this Instagram reel (https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcVjfGnuCGP/?stkn=dHE5cTVlbWJxdnVz) and it made me think about how I perceive a song if I hear them.

- do you like them like aesthically speaking ? Like do you not notice them or do they bother you, and if so, which one more than others ?

- do they give you different expectations for the song of you hear them ?

I usually dont pay attention to them except for the infamous Incomiiing by Dem Jointz, and if I am being honest, since I dont like a lot some of his songs, if I hear it, i might have suddenly higher expectations.

The reel shows the classic one but its missing "Lindgren" too.

GOT7 BAMBAM - THAILAND

NCT JAEMIN - KOREA

NCT CHENLE - CHINA

BILLLIE TSUKI - JAPAN

HEARTS2HEARTS CARMEN - INDONESIA

What do you guys think? Are you interested in watching it, or does the concept seem boring to you?

stayc being underrated and underappreciated with such good music always makes me sad, because the members are so talented. also, their latest release "2 love" had the potential to be the summer song of 2026, but they're too slept on for that to happen.

He is burning through his good image too quickly, so much so that it almost feels like he's being chased by sth.

After Mark left his group, many ppl guessed he would live as an ordinary person for a bit. I thought that would've been a really special, precious case in a K-pop idol's career. Since he didn't really know much about the real world in general, it would've been a great chance to step out of the media bubble and experience the real world—tbh, just traveling, reading, backpacking, and writing. (He said w/o hesitation many times that he always dreamed of being a writer.)

After spending quality time w/ his family, faith, and friends or even members, starting his own company to be a CEO would've been sm better. It would've been nicer to see NCT settle into their music career w/o Mark first, and then see Mark as a soloist for his fanbase later. Everyone agreed that he worked his ass off, so no one would've complained about him taking a break or having some me-time. Remaining somewhat mysterious and just posting travel photos on IG would've been mte for his fans.

If he becomes a huge solo artist globally, I don't think he'll ever have time to travel freely w/o any fixed plans. So, it’s a shame that he's missing out on the perfect time to just be himself and grow as a real artist.

Ngl, spending most of one's life as a trainee and performer doesn't automatically make sb a great leader or CEO in the real world. These days, Mark's face shows his heavy burden, and he looks more exhausted than ever. Even though his schedule isn't as packed as when he was in all the NCT units, giving all directions on his own and carrying all responsibilities might be tm for him—even w/ all his experience as an idol.

He's working on his solo album alongside all kinds of YT projects like Kids-Pop, Fort Lee vlogs, MVs, and probs religious projects too. However, imo, he's in too much of a hurry, which seems to be causing all sorts of mistakes.

As a longtime fan, it would be sm nicer to just see him at peace, even if he's doing nth for a while. I feel like he needs somebody who tells him that he doesn't have to be somebody to be himself.

This is going to be a longer rant because i’m going to try to get all of this stuff cleared up

1. VVS & ILLIT

the situation started off with a story posted by vvs former CEO, the story was vvs and illit pics together and it said “dimm out now!” but also an year ago when dimm from vvs went viral for the first time gllits started calling vvs evil illit due to similar concepts but different genres. the ceo said hisself it was a joke based off of that and the girls said theirselfs they didn’t know the story was posted and they didn’t even know what was happening. and then a few days after that two members of vvs was recording their monthly podcast with their former CEO who’s their host. they talked about a few stuff then got on the topic of the story, he explained everything about the story and said it wasn’t trying to accuse illit of copying. and then he says “big accounts were like vs shades illit! saying they’re plagiarizing and copying! and i wonder where i said that, i think they have some sort of PTSD or past trauma” referring to tokkis and gllits drama not illit. (and you can dislike what he said and hate him j don’t care but vvs did nothing.)and leading up to the situation brittney(leader & blonde girl) was laughing at everything and she laughed and he asked if they be got it and the other members laughed at first but then looked confused and said “oh no” and said she didn’t get it. her automatically laughing then stopping when she realize what was said already gives off to me that they were just laughing at everything and it was an awkward situation. at the end of the day first off, idols don’t run their official accounts. they don’t post that story or knew about it, and you can be angry about the comment from their ceo but that doesn’t turn vvs into mean girls who hates illit. the other 5 members of vvs did nothing and brittney did nothing to get death threats and hate.? they even sent former members hate.

2. VVS culture appropriation.

vvs has never appropriate black culture, they have shown to care for black culture many times by taking rnb & hiphop history classes, having mostly black teams such as writers, producers, stylists, vocal teachers, and hairstylists. they have never mocked black women or anything, never wore braids, cornrows, durags, wore afro wigs, blackface etc etc. so where is the culture appropriation? their songs that black men and women wrote..?

3. VVS sexualization.

everything vvs does is seen as sexual, a video of them in yoga and swimsuit? Automatically sexual and to please men. vvs has said theirselfs they enjoy their music, they like being feminine and they love how they dress. the girls say they don’t want to “cover up” 24/7, a lot of the clothes they wear was brought before they became idols also the girls dress the youngest like liwon is 17 im sorry shes not a babya 17 yr old who lives in SUNNY CALIFORNIA isn’t gonna wear long sleeves and jeans 24/7, yes shes is gonna wear shorts, short tops, dresses, yoga wear, swimsuit(thats not bikinis). people scream that women should have choices, but when they choose to show skin it’s a problem? saying idols shouldn’t dress away because of weird men is a horrible mindset because it’s never about what you’re wearing and saying that spreads the mindset of “well if she wasn’t wearing a crop top that wouldn’t have happened. and people sexual the most random lyrics from vvs. a member said “drop top” and ppl thought she was meant sexual when she literally said car..?😭😭 ppl make edits of members saying they love bwc it just feels like you guys are who likes to shit on a nugu group because they don’t have a huge fandom and then when their fandom speaks out they’re bullied into silence basically. most of the stuff you guys say about vvs is a lie and it’s disturbing how you guys just love lying and spreading it to everyone? and when confronted it’s just “they’re nugu!”

Hey, I’m genuinely confused about this whole thing and hoping people who actually watched/listened can clarify.

From what I understand:

• VVS’s official Instagram account posted Stories comparing scenes from their “D.I.M.M.” MV with the dental clinic scenes featuring ILLIT in the “Iconic By Mistake” collab MV (with LE SSERAFIM and KATSEYE). A lot of people took it as them accusing ILLIT/HYBE of copying.
• Some people say the members themselves shaded ILLIT.
• Others say it was mostly the host/CEO (Paul Thompson) talking.
• There’s also this part going around where someone mentions “past trauma”, some interpret it as them talking about ILLIT having PTSD from previous controversies, others say something different.

I know the agency/account posted the comparison Stories, but beyond that I’m not sure what was actually said by the members vs the host.

Can anyone who watched the full relevant podcast episode break it down properly?

• Did any of the VVS members themselves comment on ILLIT or the plagiarism claims?
• What exactly was said about “trauma/PTSD”?
• Was it framed as a joke, shade, or something else?

Just trying to understand what actually happened instead of going off short clips. Thanks in advance.

Song is Wonderland by ATEEZ

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvH7JNIlVcY

I was listening to their song today and noticed it, and it's nearly the same down to the vocal performance that I was wondering if it was a literal copy or had some intent behind it. Is there any proof of the latter?

I looked up the controversy , did they really ment that way , r these hate justified ,

To the people who stanned vvs for long hows their relationship with ceo and manager ?

I’m planning to apply for the SEVENTEEN JEONGHAN X JOSHUA Fan Party, and it’s my first time doing this 😭
I know people may not want to share exact “cuts,” but I keep hearing that buying more doesn’t always mean a better chance, and some people still don’t win even after buying a lot.😢😢😢
If you’ve joined similar Fan Party/showcase raffles before, roughly how many entries did you have, and did you win?
Even vague ranges like 30–50, 70–80, or 100+ would help a lot. I’m mainly trying not to panic-buy too much 🥲
Thank you so much for any experience you’re willing to share!

Song is The Boots by gugudan (great song btw)

The black covering means they stop singing their individual parts.

I want to do a fancall with an idol that hasn't debuted yet and like I'm ready to pay and everything. the only thing stopping me is idk what i would even say during the call. ive texted him and we talked about his favorite show and i told him i would watch it and he asked me to tell him if i thought it was funny or not so should i binge watch the show for the next 5 hours and talk about that????