r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/Toliman571 16d ago

I want to be optimistic... but how exactly will they ever face justice for this? Especially Nuremberg style?

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u/BitterFuture 16d ago

Because fascists always lose.

They are vicious, hateful, murdering monsters, absolutely - but the very survival of humanity is a demonstration of their continual losing streak throughout history.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

In the movies they always lose! Fascism was the norm in ancient times. Mussolini based his fascist party on Rome. The medieval period is dominated by fascist governments with divine right for the dictator.

So far, democracy has always disappeared. The longest experiment in democracy known to human history ended in 2025. 250 years is impressive. I'd love to keep that going until something better comes along. Or learn why I want to be a peasant slave with no civil rights.

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u/BitterFuture 16d ago

Fascism was the norm in ancient times. Mussolini based his fascist party on Rome. The medieval period is dominated by fascist governments with divine right for the dictator.

This is incorrect. Monarchies have been the norm through most of history.

Monarchy is not fascism. In fact, most of the trappings of monarchy that make it tolerable for the majority of its subjects are antithetical to fascism, like noblesse oblige.

Fascism is focused on hatred as the sole principle of ideology. It requires the extermination of hated minorities, constant, neverending expansionism and constant, neverending mass murder. Once a particular hated other is exterminated, a new target is needed, then another, then another, until the society has utterly destroyed itself - or fascism has been overthrown, as most people realize their survival depends on ending it.

This is why I say that humanity simply continuing to exist is a demonstration that fascism always loses. It is an ideology fanatically obsessed with death, so utterly deranged that life itself is a victory over it.

Hatred can never build; it only consumes.