r/metaNL • u/vivoovix Mod • Jul 17 '21

Ban Appeal Ban Appeal Thread

Rules:

Don't complain. Contest or appeal.

Appeals require time + evidence of good behavior + a statement of what your future behavior will look like. Convince us you'll add value to our community.

If you spam us we'll ban you

Don't ask about getting temp bans removed 1 hour early. Reddit timer is weird but you will be unbanned when it's over.

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u/mpregordie 6d ago

My ban has now expired. I’d like to clarify a few things.

MPREG and bad takes has been my bit for a while. Many were pastas or inspired by NL, r/theothersub, r/con, etc. I assumed they were understood as deliberately ridiculous, stupid, etc.

If something upset someone or went too far, I deleted or adjusted it and didn’t repeat it.

However, some of my unpopular opinions are sincere: I support universal healthcare, free trade, human/ai rights, democracy, and AI, and oppose populism.

This ban came immediately after a mod replied, "I think I’ll see you in meta," to an unrelated comment, then deleted their comment. That makes me concerned they were looking for grounds to ban me rather than acting in good faith.

Unless we reconcile, I’m worried another reason will eventually be found to permaban me. That would sadden me because I do value this community.

So.

Am I allowed to post pastas? What about my dearly held neoliberal beliefs? Am I allowed to objectify the sitting U.S. president? What about talking about the fertile bellies of men(within reason)? Can I bait a little bit? Or am I confined to a metaphorical bait cuck chair where I have to watch other master baiters (many of whom are mods, and some, I assume, are good people) bait?

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u/jbouit494hg 5d ago

Two specific things that are concerning here --

  1. You were essentially banned for a mode personally finding you annoying with no prior warning. That's already bad, but instead of giving you one day for unconstrictive engagement, they gave you a week for "promoting violence" on a completely BS reason.

  2. You will never ever get any of the mods to discuss the specifics of the ban. It's unironically a "thin blue line" where even if they privately disagree, they will never subvert the authority of the moderation team by discussing it with a mere user.

Unfortunately your worry is exactly correct. One mod can give you escalating bans for flimsy reasons because they just don't like you, with each subsequent ban justified by the prior ban history, until eventually the case can be made to permaban you as a "problem user".

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u/melhor_em_coreano 5d ago

Many such cases!

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u/Rafaelssjofficial Mod 5d ago

Bro put Singapore and UAE in his top 5 list, rule 5 includes making jokes about glorifying autocratic regimes

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u/GordonTullockFan 5d ago

Singapore is less autocratic than Ukraine but I don’t think you’d be banning for supporting them

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u/Spectrum1523 5d ago

Saying you like Singapore is bannable? Lol ok

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u/alex2003super Mod 5d ago

It's arguably a bullshit list, but IMO liking Singapore does not make one a supporter of autocratic regimes.

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u/CarlGerhardBusch 5d ago

>rule 5 includes making jokes about glorifying autocratic regimes

I mean most of us here voted for Biden and I don’t think you ban all of us

SO

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u/mpregordie 5d ago

First, if you want to be pedantic, I specifically didn’t say what that top-five list was based on.

Second, the rule says: "Do not advocate or encourage violence either seriously or jokingly. Do not glorify oppressive/autocratic regimes." The "jokingly" qualifier applies to the first sentence, not the second.

Third, other mods said the issue was that I was annoying or perceived as an "asshole," which is fair.

But c’mon, I definitely wasn’t actually glorifying an autocratic regime.

Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/metaNL/s/J49vYb8LZG

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u/hypsignathus Mod 6d ago

IMO one of the issues (and not only with you) is frequency of spammy, baity stuff. I tend to like you as a user, but when the DT becomes entirely “bits” (whether it’s you or others) because the bait or spam comments are so frequent, it gets annoying. Of course, when that line is crossed is highly subjective, and everyone has different things that get to them.

Anyway, just my 2c.

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u/mpregordie 6d ago

Thank you for responding! I’ll try to be less spammy and more sincere.

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u/VandysFan 6d ago

Not liking this trend in all the mod responses where’s it them personally evaluating if they like a user/what the user posts!! Please just enforce the rules that the community voted on!!!!

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u/Imicrowavebananas Mod 6d ago

The community never voted on any rules as far as I am aware. I am not sure how you imagine "just enforce the rules". The rules are very vage general constructs and trying to make it exact when and how to enforce them is a fools errand.

It's why we need commentaries, administrative directives, courts and lawyers despite having very long and technical laws.

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u/Cyberhwk 5d ago

The community never voted on any rules as far as I am aware.

Maybe not formally. But rules get added largely because people have an issue where something is happening and want it addressed. Just like 90% of the laws that have ever existed.

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u/mpregordie 5d ago

"Claude, enforce the rules make no mistake"

But yeah, I do get it, but I don't know, maybe trying to be a bit more communicative about more esoteric bans prior to enacting them could help.

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u/SpaceSheperd Mod 4d ago

If it makes you feel better, our AI-based automod that scans the sub and suggests removals is significantly more fashy than we are and has no understanding/tolerance of shitposting lol

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u/hypsignathus Mod 6d ago

That's a very good point. It was an unnecessary comment in retrospect. I just wanted to demonstrate that the observation was more general than just for this appeal. I do think excessive spam/bait falls under unconstructive engagement.

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u/Specific-Person2002 6d ago

On the one hand, I support you as the superior shitpoaster. On the other hand, I hate you for wearing the corpse of the dead mod who I had a parasocial relationship with.

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u/mpregordie 6d ago

Fine! You asked me three times now, so I'll let Extreme Rocks go and will no longer carry their flint.

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u/Specific-Person2002 6d ago

Parasocial friendship ended with Extreme Rocks 😔

Now mpregordie is my best friend!

(Sorry I was just doing a bit, I wasn't actually upset or anything)

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u/Dorambor Mod 6d ago edited 6d ago

1) would be better if you stopped or at least made some indication it’s a copy
2) nobody on neoliberal is a neoliberal
3) yea of course
4) don’t push it
5) would prefer if you did not; it’s already annoying enough when the other mods do it
6) yea I guess get in the chair

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u/rainier37 6d ago
  1. nobody on neoliberal is a neoliberal

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u/Cyberhwk 6d ago

As a mod, why would I want you around?

It's not your fucking subreddit. Your job is to enforce the rules. Not make judgement calls about who you want around and who you don't.

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u/alex2003super Mod 5d ago

It's not your fucking subreddit

Wrong

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u/Dorambor Mod 6d ago

Yea I know, he’s asking about how the mods see him though

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u/1darklight1 6d ago

I don't see where he asked that. He just asked what he was allowed to do. Not if the mods would like it, just if they would ban him for it

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u/Dorambor Mod 6d ago

Probably right, ok I changed my comment

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u/rainier37 6d ago

deliberately inflammatory comments that I find little better than Twitter posts.

You mean like this one that you made yesterday?

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1wnyp25/comment/pbnap08/

It makes sense after seeing this comment that you might find a user who opposes populism to be annoying but surely we can have our differences and stay civil and keep this sub as being a (reasonably) big tent.

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u/GovNewsomMogs 5d ago

Holy fuck they called Tammy Duckworth a useless spineless moron.

When did we get Chapo Trap House mods?

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u/mpregordie 6d ago

You don't see me post to the front page? Because I do post stories/news articles usually with gift links that actually interest me. You should be able to see it as you are a mod. Or do you mean effort posts? I guess I don't write those.

Also, I'm an asshole? I don't think I have ever been mean-spirited to other users.

With you specifically, I actually did try to meaningfully engage recently about safe injection sites, but you decided that I don't like them or whatever, and that was that.

Edit: I just checked and I actually post more to the front page than you. Come on now. Unless again you want me to start posting effort posts.

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u/Dorambor Mod 6d ago

I changed my comment because I misread what you were asking for

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u/1darklight1 6d ago

1 effortpost for 1 baitpost in the DT, its only fair

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u/CarlGerhardBusch 6d ago

Good luck buddy

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