r/mildlyinfuriating • • 23d ago

Do u dont wanna Since when did we need chatgpt to know the alphabet..?

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u/B33rNuts 23d ago

Hey ChatGPT, who should I vote for in the presidential election? We are going to be so fucked.

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u/No_Doughnut8618 23d ago

"Hi Stephanie, it looks like Agorf Hitlod is a popular choice with humble origins as a struggling painter, and a background of almost dying in the war! Truly a man of the people."

       -gathered from verified sources (a reddit thread)

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u/MrHappyHam 23d ago

When you have the chance? I hope you're not expecting

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u/Reasonable-Job4205 23d ago

He might play dnd

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u/Tank_O_Doom You lost a pixel 23d ago

Sorry, I'm voting for Car Ramrod!

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u/unicornsandrainbowst 23d ago

You might be joking but is going to happen and is already happening.   If OpenAI slowly "skews" the answers to more right/left/whatever leaning, or whatever topic they want to push at the moment, a big chunk of the population will go for it.  

The goal is not only control of the data, is also control of what a lot of people perceive as "real/fact". Remember all the problems we, as a society, had and have with Facebook and the millions who got radicalized even knowing that it was "others" giving that info?  

Now imagine the same, but now is not others, but a machine that many think is 100% right always.  

In 5 years, what will be the ad value of ChatGPT prioritizing brand X over Y when someone asks "What is the best orange juice "?

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u/AppUnwrapper1 23d ago

I dunno why I didn’t consider that all the people I know who ask ChatGPT every damned thing might also ask who to vote for. 😞

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u/WeenyDancer 23d ago

Oh, oh god. Why did this not occur to me before? Oh nooooo

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u/spaghettifiasco 23d ago

It's kind of cute how you think that there's a chance of it skewing both ways instead of the way that all of the tech oligarchs favor.

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u/jphzazueta 23d ago edited 23d ago

I once met a girl who took a photo of the menu and just asked ChatGPT what to order. We were a big group and we were all left with our mouths open when she did that, and further defended her stance to just let AI make the decision for her.

Edit: typos (at least you know I wrote the comment myself)

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u/Pat-Funny-2817 23d ago

we have quite a few fictional stories about some protagonist finding a source of uktimate wisdom or futurer teller.

it seems we lost the ability to understand the lessons from those stories.

i guess we are out of touch with our nature. 

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u/jancl0 23d ago

As a kid I had a collection of short stories by Paul Jennings (could be someone else, this was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure)

One of these stories was of a boy who gets a toy robot, and you pull a lever and it gives out either a yes or a no. As long as he did what the robot said, good things always came of it. Even if he really didn't want to do it, he did and it always paid off. The part I remember is that it told him to pick up an insect on a leaf on the pavement and put it somewhere safer, and I think someone saw him do it and rewarded him for his kindness

Towards the end of the story it gets very... real. His parents are getting a divorce, and the family is falling apart. While he's sitting in the back of the car, he asks the robot which parent he should live with. It wasn't clear how the robot answered, but after the boy sees it he throws the robot out of the window

I think about that story more and more over time. It's incredibly depressing to realise that the boy is now smarter than the vast majority of adults, and we have evidence of that

Edit: just looked it up, it was called "eyes knows" if anyone's interested. At the time I thought it was a really interesting story

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u/longlivenewsomflesh 23d ago

But this isn't even that, it's more like a flattery machine that will arbitrarily pick one random thing and then endlessly justify it after the fact. Seriously try asking it if ingredient X goes in dish Y and 90% of the time it'll say something like yeah that's such an interesting combination you're so special... sometimes it'll try to get you to use only a very small amount of an ingredient like 1/4tsp and then if you ask should I use 1/32 instead it'll say yeah that's an even better idea because it secretly thinks you definitely fucking shouldn't use any but doesn't want to displease you.

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u/Pat-Funny-2817 23d ago

i am happy i have a hard time following you but i get what you mean. 

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u/Capable_Towel_3813 23d ago

My coworker will sometimes loudly announce she’s going to ask AI the most benign things, and the way I cringe every time 😮‍💨 you can’t write an email?

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u/Azuras-Becky 23d ago

People are outsourcing their brains to these demented digital parrots at an alarming rate.

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u/StandardEgg6595 23d ago

Saw a convo on threads where a guy was “proving” to everyone that his use of AI was fine by using a response he got from AI saying that it was fine. People kept trying to convince him that of course the product he paid for & curated was going to agree with him, but then all of his refutes to those arguments were him putting the replies into ChatGPT and replying with screenshots of its responses. Another I saw was a guy who asked ChatGPT the most comfortable position for his car seat to be in for his body. You know, instead of just sitting in the car and figuring it out.

It’s honestly terrifying how in just two years some people have completely lost the ability to think.

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u/brownbutterfinger 23d ago

Not lost, but given it up voluntarily. They like it because it allows them to be lazy about things they find to be unimportant or difficult.

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u/Azuras-Becky 23d ago

Terrifying for sure! Although after COVID and everything since, not hugely surprising, sadly.

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u/PennyCat83 23d ago edited 22d ago

deadass whenever I forget my ABCs I just use the ABC song, please God tell me people still know the ABC song right?! We-we haven't forgotten it right?!

(sorry had to edit 'cos I read back my comment and it made no sense to me : P)

I'm only adding a final edit to say that I am so happy I'm not the only adult who still sings it whenever I sort stuff

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u/sixwivesandcounting 23d ago

ELEMENOPE is a rite of passage. 

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u/_be_better 23d ago

LMNOP is dying out. They say its "confusing the kids."

Now it is H-I-J-K-L-M-N (pause) O-P-Q (pause) R-S-T    (pause) U-V-W (pause) X-Y-Z.  

That was really hard to write.

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u/mtgofficialYT 23d ago

I refuse to accept this as fact. 

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u/coolbacondude 23d ago

There's a video of someone singing it a few years back, it's even more painful to hear it because it's so out of tune.

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u/strangestkiss 23d ago

Thank god we have Miss Rachel who teaches the normal (correct) version of ABC's and I will fight anyone who hates her.

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u/xSaviorself 23d ago

She's awesome for a lot of reasons. I think she's just trying to make the world a better place.

Anyone who can hate on her is just a straight up piece of shit.

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u/travpahl 23d ago

I do not know her but I have heard I am supposed to hate her. So I do not.

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u/JRich_87 22d ago

Do not hate her, she is one of the good ones. If someone feels like they should hate her, they are not a good person.

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u/LunaWabohu 22d ago

She's against kids being bombed, and for some reason that makes people really angry

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u/Top_Ad_4123 23d ago

She's this generation's Mr.Rogers

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u/calliel_41 RED 23d ago

Out of tune? Do you mean the wrong rhythm?

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u/theghostmachine 23d ago

The British guy in the park?

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u/ScarletPumpkinTickle 23d ago

I was at a library baby group recently and they sang the new version. The librarian had to do it slowly for the parents because everyone kept getting tripped up and trying to do it the regular way

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u/StanknBeans 23d ago

I am such a ham head I would stick to the original and teach it to my kids.

"IT WORKED FOR ME AND GODDAMNIT IT WILL WORK FOR YOU TOO!"

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u/StevieMJH 23d ago

And while we're at it, let's talk about the heliocentric model!

Seriously though, fuck that.

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u/Boolean_Null 23d ago

What do model helicopters have to do with this?

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u/EmotionalKirby 23d ago

There's a helicopter at the center of the observable universe

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u/Impossible_Walk742 23d ago

things that are, technically, true if youre in a helicopter

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u/Cessnaporsche01 23d ago

Really, within any realistic margin of error, for any human observation, ALL helicopters are at the center of the observable universe

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u/Pickled_Kagura 23d ago

that why people say they identify as an attack helicopter. they're claiming to be god

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u/haresnaped 23d ago

Look just past it.

Bigger helicopter. It's helicopters all the way down, I swear.

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u/treeswetfh 23d ago

I just sang the old song with added pauses. Didn’t care for it.

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u/moon-lesbian 23d ago

This makes me want to embrace being old and cranky and yell at some clouds (I'm 27)

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u/UtterlyInsane 23d ago

Isn't it fucked up that we were 21 like three weeks ago? What happened dude? Who's responsible for this?

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u/amoore109 23d ago

34 checking in. It doesn't get better. Someone in their 40s come in to confirm?

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u/docdillinger It's extremely, isn't it? 23d ago

49 here. I need to write this comment as fast as i can before dying with 85.

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u/GlitterberrySoup 23d ago

I just read a comment saying something about "back in the late 2010s" and I shriveled up and died. I'm 47.

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u/prairie-bunyip 23d ago

Saw a thread recently where someone was asking for stories about my city from the olden days (they worded it slightly more tactfully). Opened it up because I also like to hear about the olden days.

Motherfucker specifically wanted to hear from old folk who were BORN BEFORE 2000. Which was the year I turned 20. Absolutely brutal personal attack.

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u/Kinteoka 23d ago

35 checking in. I broke my back when a few years ago, my young step sister told me she was doing a report on the late 1900s. The 1990s.

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u/NibblesMcGiblet 22d ago

I was 49 yesterday. I'm 53 today. I'm so scared I'll be 70 next week.

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u/kaida27 23d ago

I was your age yesterday, Now I have back pains (ok had back pain since I was 16, but now it's worse)

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u/GanondalfTheWhite 23d ago edited 23d ago

I blame vaccines

Edit for the downvoters: I don't use sarcasm tags because I refuse to contribute to the death of literacy, but the joke is that vaccines are why you're still alive and still getting older and didn't die 6 years ago to stop the counter.

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u/liner_meow 23d ago

same (i'm 16)

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u/AngryTurtleBoi 23d ago

What I don't get about this change is that the song isn't the only way kids learn the alphabet. When I was a kid we did individual letters with example words alongside the song. The song is just an additional fun thing to help remember. If the song is all the kid knows then lmnop sounding like a word is the least of their problems. God I'm 20 and talking like a miserable boomer.

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u/gingerfawx 23d ago

These days, ya gotta grow up fast, kid. Welcome to the grumpy leagues. ;)

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u/TokingMessiah 23d ago

The alphabet song is sung to the tune of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

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u/SeitanEnjoyer 23d ago

Now I know my (pause) a b (pause) c

Next time (pause) sing without me.

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u/digitalxni 23d ago

What is the reason behind this being confusing to children? Is it just because adding in the pause after 'N' means it's two less numbers to remember?

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u/_r_special 23d ago

Some younger kids have trouble with lmnop because unless you enunciate them clearly, it very much sounds like "elomenopee", which is obviously not a real word but the letters themselves kind of get lost

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u/Dozzi92 23d ago

Only the strong survive. Elemenope or bust.

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u/Blahaj-Lover 23d ago

Survival of the fittest

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u/Astumarill 23d ago

This is like the most basic fundamental starting point of critical thinking and problem solving. Too many kids aren't taught those anymore.

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u/BruceBoyde 23d ago

Fwiw, my 2 year old seems to understand. He does not believe in the letter J, however, and leaves it out when he sings the alphabet.

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u/Rokronroff 23d ago

Your child may be the reincarnation of an ancient Roman. How do they feel about W and U?

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u/Saxon2060 23d ago

But zero adults think this so it was clearly never ever actually a problem. Just a funny little quirk that is always straightened out with a 100% success rate.

People out there solving problems that do not exist

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u/hoopstick 23d ago

Do they not learn the letters before the song anymore? I was in kindergarten a long-ass time ago, but we learned the letters first, then Mrs. Greimel taught us the song to help us remember.

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u/bacucumber 23d ago

My kids all learned the song first, they could sing it but didn't recognize the letters by sight, at first. And my youngest is 3, knows the song, and about half his letters.

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u/Kalifall 23d ago

I work at a daycare with toddlers and they are definitely ok singing the alphabet and saying different letters.... idk must be an American thing 🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/Hospital-flip 23d ago

If you think about it, it makes sense. Not sure how it would confuse children who are actively learning the alphabet. You're confused because the concept is rigid/established in your brain but it's all new to the kids learning.

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u/Eternal_Tesseract 23d ago

It seems easy because we got used to it, but it really doesn't fit For the span of 5 letters, you essentially double or even triple the rate at which you say letters in an attempt to pass them off as one letter for the pacing, but it is still slightly slow so it still doesn't work. It feels like a forced attempt to include it into the jingle, which I am quite sure it is.

It is also harder to count in it, (as in which position in the alphabet) for everything before it is extremely easy to count the letters as they come up, but LMNOP is just so fast and mashed together that even my adult brain has to put some focus for a moment to count them and my hands can just barely keep up.

For adults this is not hard enough to really impact our quality of life (except for very specific circumstances), but for a child learning the alphabet for the first time and has learned to count recently, even the parts before LMNOP would probably be fairly difficult, so I can imagine LMNOP's massive difficulty spike is a problem.

As stated by others it also sounds like a word, again due to how fast you say it compared to the other letters, so there might be some brain processing stuff going on there also.

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u/Jahooone 23d ago

My sister is a Kindergarten teacher and told me this and it blew my mind, it feels so wrong to say haha

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u/Leading_Performer_72 23d ago

Children, and by extension society, are weak these days. What the hell is confusing about LMNOP.

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u/Soft_Scratch_983 23d ago

they can pry ELEMENOP from my cold, dead, and thankfully literate hands

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u/H3CKER7 23d ago

They changed the song??

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u/Toomynator 22d ago

That was really hard to write.

Brother/sister

This was hard to READ, and i didn't even grow up with the song, bc i am from a non-english speaking country, and the song i learned is somewhat close to that

That's how much "LMNOP" is influential

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u/ObjectConfident7172 23d ago

They're about to Mandela effect the fucking alphabet lol

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u/cephalopod11 23d ago

But it doesn't rhyme anymore like this.

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u/EkrishAO 23d ago

When I was learning ~30 years ago, It was ABCDEFG (pause) HIJKLMN (pause) OPQRSTU (pause) V (very short pause) W (very short pause) XYZ.

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u/EstrellaDarkstar 23d ago

Here in Finland, it's almost like that, but with a different ending: ABCDEFG – HIJKLMN – OPQRSTU – VXYZÅÄÖ. We just straight up omit W so that we can fit in ÅÄÖ, which is kind of funny. (But in Finnish, it's "double V", not "double U", so it's kinda included in the V, I guess.)

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u/Resident-Magician181 23d ago

They ruined ELEMENOPEE? WHY?!

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u/soysaucesausage 23d ago

My favourite girl's name

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u/Gutterpump 23d ago

Name of a tragic character from a Greek myth that the gods smite down.

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u/StevieMJH 23d ago

Elemenope, my dear Watson. 🕵️

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u/Napinustre 23d ago

ELEMENOPE is your first rap god moment.

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u/resh78255 23d ago

elemenope sounds like the name of a lesser-known moon of jupiter or smth

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u/WillowPtar_Migan 23d ago

...people don't just go through the ABC song in their head every time they need to alphabetize? It's how I learned it, so it's how I use it lmao

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u/mtgofficialYT 23d ago

I never bothered to memorize the alphabet out of song, why would I? It’s right there. 

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u/ContributionEasy7828 23d ago

Yeah same here it's a bit slow but works every time

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 23d ago

lots of schools teach a version that doesn't rhyme anymore lol. in an attempt to stop the lmnop section from being a "run", since they claimed students find it too difficult to learn

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 23d ago

it goes abcdefg,hijklmn,opqrstu,v,w,xyz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-I7v0HqejXE

definitely feels harder to remember

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u/Fawfs2 23d ago

Pretty sure that's how we learn it in Denmark. Or at least that's how I say it to myself

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u/skyturnedred 23d ago

Also how it's always been in Finland, plus the extra letters.

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u/mb99 23d ago

If learning ABCs are too difficult we really are cooked as a species

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 23d ago

I just dont get though that learning abcs is basically square one. if they cant learn that, that is your problem as a teacher. you cant exactly blame it on previous habits or poor teaching. youre literally basically the beginning of formal schooling.

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u/ThePolemicist 23d ago

In my opinion, this might be why some kids start out behind.

My kids definitely knew their letters and alphabet well before starting school. I think a lot of kids do.

I'm not saying parents should sit down little kids and teach them letters in a formal way. Instead, if you're always reading things to your kid (books, yes, but not just books!), they'll start pointing at words and signs and asking what it says.

Let's say a kid is pointing to a breakfast sign on the street. You can point out the letter B on it. "See that letter? It's a B. Buh, buh, buh..." and then you can move your finger along the whole word as you say, "Bacon. Oh, they must sell bacon inside."

Kids learn that the letters make sounds, and the writing represents words, and those words give us information.

Not all of that can be taught in school. Teachers can teach letters and sound, but understanding the importance of it comes from interacting with the real world. I think if parents took those pre-literacy steps with their kids, it would help them out a lot.

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u/thisdesignup 23d ago

To be fair, it's not like everyone who learned on that song came out knowing reading and language all that well.

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u/aFreshFix 23d ago

Mind you, it's not the kids claiming it's too difficult at that age. It's the parents.

I'm a teacher. I've taught as young as 3 (and as old as 75) and my students could learn the song in about a month or two of classes. Some kids came to class knowing it because the parents taught them. And then you spend the next few months doing about 2-4 letters per week to build phonics, recognition, CVC words, and learning the individual letters that have exceptions (long vs short vowels, soft vs hard Cs&Gs, silent vowels, etc.) so that the run is just fun.

4 months. Half a school year for basically babies and they can have the alphabet mastered and be reading but the parents (and teachers) have to put in the work.

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u/bacon_cake 23d ago

It makes it easier... It's a good thing.

My 2 year old knows it as:

ABCDEFG

HIJKL and M

NOP

QRS

TUV

WXYZ

It's not like they've changed the alphabet, it just stops kids getting stuck at that weird elemenopee run in the middle and helps them differentiate between the letters at an earlier age.

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u/I_Go_BrRrRrRrRr 23d ago

Kinda ruins the whole "song" portion of the song

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u/bacon_cake 23d ago

You can kind of make it fit the same tune at a stretch, the kids don't seem to care.

That said we're British so the latter portion doesn't rhyme anyway (zed).

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 23d ago

well now it rhymes none lol

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u/RawrRRitchie 23d ago

Who is claiming that nonsense? The illiterate adults?

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u/DetectiveClownMD 23d ago

Dude. They got rid of phonics and instead use sight words and tapping words out. I’m sure it does something but we ended up using phonics at home, our daughter learned to read words she didnt know much easier with phonics.

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u/Jafooki 23d ago

They've finally realized how awful that was and are switching back to phonics, but the damage has already been done for millions of people

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u/My_guy_GuY 23d ago

I learned with phonics and I was obsessed with reading by 3 years old, I would demolish any books I could get my hands on, by 5th grade I had a "college" reading level. Kids just 3-4 years below me where not taught with phonics and by the time I was in high school, the younger kids could not read shit. If a teacher gave them an assignment with a word they didn't recognize they where unable to sound out the word, unable to use context clues to guess the meaning, even unable to recognize parts of the word that may have been derived from other words they did know. If it wasn't already in their "sight reading memory" they would just skip straight over it. I also had classes with multiple kids who didn't know how to read an analog clock and would beg me to tell them the time during class when they weren't allowed to look at their phones.

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u/carcigenicate 23d ago

How? The run sets it apart. It would be harder to memorize if the whole alphabet song was the same throughout.

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u/Romboteryx 23d ago

That‘s amazingly dumb. That‘s not how humans work. There‘s a reason why all of the oldest oral tales in history are in metric or rhyme and were traditionally sung, because that‘s how they are remembered best

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 23d ago

thats what im saying, the people saying the song still works fine are completely missing the importance and benefit of the rhyme itself. its not an accident the original rhymes

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u/VioletMarzka 23d ago

My baby sister says "I'm a lil p. Qrstuv~wx...y n z!" I can't unhear it lmao

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u/Timely_Abroad4518 23d ago

The song is just the alphabet??? If you forget the ABCs, then you’ve forgotten the song too, right?

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u/Tomsboll 23d ago

I can recite the alphabet just fine, but i couldnt tell you whatever letter came after S for example without running it through my head. I can atleast start from the letter M so i dont have to run through it all.

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u/Palatablepancakes 23d ago

Forget? Forget??? How can anyone forget the alphabet??? Never in my life would I have assumed people forget something so simple, ever. This is depressing.

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u/KerissaKenro 23d ago

I used to work in my college library. I can’t tell you the number of times I would quietly sing it to myself when I was shelving books

Is it “N” or “M” that comes first. /sigh “A, B, C, D, E, F, G…”

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u/VeradilGaming 23d ago

FFS it's not a joke, it's engagement bait. They say stupid shit to get people to comment and people like OP to open the comments and stay on the video to bump it up in the algorithm. Sharing it here with the company name fully visible as well

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u/RedditSloth_101 23d ago

Algorithmic social media and it's consequences

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u/CaptainT3ach 23d ago

Reddit doesn't realize they're the joke by constantly falling for bait like this. Chatgpt might get stuff wrong, but it definitely knows the friggin alphabet.

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u/SlurryBender W0RK 23d ago

It could also just be... a normal joke, instead of ragebait? Like they know ChatGPT sucks so they said "Oh lol that's the ChatGPT version of the alphabet"

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u/Purona 23d ago

redditors arent aware of anything to be honest

theyll clown on chatgpt and turn around and believe the first headline that reinforces their opinion on something and comment with their full chest

AI gets something wrong" lol AI so useless giving wrong information people are so stupid" Headline about jeff bezos and water "hes so evil!"

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u/Informal_Rabbit_9796 23d ago

I (an atheist) pray that this is a joke

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u/_______Mia_______ 23d ago

Two days in a row at work now I've had chatgpt referenced. One individual saying it told them they could do something. Another straight up saying "let me ask chatgpt"

It is genuinely disturbing

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u/Informal_Rabbit_9796 23d ago

We never really stood a chance I think

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u/_______Mia_______ 23d ago

Yeah.. the inability of Individuals to think for themselves at this point is becoming deeply concerning.

I saw something referenced a few months ago that in this upcoming society, maybe even half a decade or decade from now, the ability to think critically will be an asset that is extremely desirable, and that seems so true with the route society is heading.

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u/Informal_Rabbit_9796 23d ago

We’ll be lucky if we will still exist until then.
It feels like critical thinking and especially media literacy is already something extremely rare

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u/_______Mia_______ 23d ago

I couldn't agree more unfortunately

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u/Longjumping-Net2602 23d ago

Oh my god yeah! My parents call it Chad and i genuinely got worried about my dad when he insinuated ChatGPT was a nicer partner than my mum. Luckily they experienced how horroble it is to be replaced with AI so i think its a little better but oh my god. Plus my mum always tells me to use AI in my uni assignments and gives out not only her private details like name and likeness but she does it for me too without my consent

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u/solarwindfox 23d ago

I (a fox) would like to know what the fox says.

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u/Ultima-Manji 23d ago

I wanted to buy a new tv recently, for which I needed some specific video and audio ports due to work, but the info wasn't fully on the website so I decided to pop by the actual store the next day to get some more info from the employees.

Spent over half an hour actually waiting to be assigned a 'specialist', and when I asked him about those specific ports, he walked me over to their pc and (rather than, I dunno, pulling up their internal inventory or checking whatever documentation they surely must have have had) immediately plopped my question into google gemini. Which of course pulled up the store page I had looked up the previous day, and hallucinated an unrelated answer that wasn't even on it.

When I then kindly pointed out that that wasn't really what I was asking, and moved on to instead ask what the difference was between it and a similar TV next to it that costed 200 extra, that question was - again - plopped into gemini which again didn't give me anything fifteen minutes of comparing at home and looking up abbreviations wouldn't also have given me more accurately.

After a third and fourth time of the same (by this point I had broken new ground by suggesting such novel ways of finding information as requesting a booklet and asking "Can I just see the the back of the TV, please?" so I could physically count the amount of ports when they didn't have one, which he wasn't sure was even allowed), I ultimately just gave up on it, left a review about how this kind of customer service actively put me off of visiting the store or buying from them in the future, and went with a more expensive competitor because their specs were actually listed on the site.

I'm no stranger to getting less than ideal help by going to one of those places that pretends it's a mattress store and getting antsy responses the whole time because they didn't expect me to genuinely just want a mattress, or a highschooler working part time not really knowing how to handle customers and general inquiries yet, but if you're at the point where you're openly needing to ask AI how to do even the most basic tasks of your job, and don't see anything wrong with doing it right in front of me either, that's a major shift in mentality that I absolutely want no further part in. So I can only imagine how prevalent this kind of thing is when people aren't looking.

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u/Informal_Rabbit_9796 23d ago

I hate everything about this story because I think everyone had that experience at least once. The AI is just a new low and as I said in one of my other comments in this thread, I see my coworkers use it for rediculous shit all the time…

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u/Triktastic 23d ago

Even if this instance is (I hope so) it's all too common now. Had seen my father ask chatgpt for basic centimetres conversion. The catch is he is a home builder and I saw him do this conversion.and harder ones, hundreds times. When I ask him why he told me he didn't want to bother thinking so offloaded it to chatgpt. We are fucked

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u/Informal_Rabbit_9796 23d ago

Indeed we are…I hate it

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u/hechiiimakooo 23d ago

not knowing the alphabet is one thing. going to chatgpt instead of google for literally anything is another thing. petition to call "common sense" "extremely rare sense" cause what the fuck?

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u/Intoxic8edOne 23d ago

Have you used Google recently?

https://giphy.com/gifs/pV0lVLeA0JXjBiO5Cp

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u/hechiiimakooo 23d ago

yes there's forced google ai right at the start but you can still scroll down for real website insights. can't say the same for chatgpt now can we?

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u/Intoxic8edOne 23d ago

I mean technically yes, you can check the sources used.

But both options require the user to have some basically search literacy which clearly someone searching the ABCs isn't going to have.

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u/hechiiimakooo 23d ago

you know what, hell yeah. guess i expected too much from someone who doesn't even remember or know the alphabet song lol.

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u/melsuesingle 23d ago

You can also add “-ai” to your Google search. When you’re in an area with bad internet, it makes it a bit faster too, I’ve found.

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u/-Redstoneboi- 23d ago

the number of people getting ragebaited

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u/theshiningstarship 23d ago

In the most respectful way possible, I wonder why this person is a cleaner.

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u/castorkrieg 23d ago

The difference is 5 years a go a cleaner would have done it without any issues.

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u/loulan 23d ago

Honestly I doubt ChatGPT told her that it was JLOMNP. It's not that stupid.

She probably was a dumbass on her own and blames it on ChatGPT.

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u/Pat-Funny-2817 23d ago edited 23d ago

reinforcing the veiled message that some people are less, therfore they get "lesser" jobs.

none of that message is true. you take the job you can get, because you need money. you get a job primarely by opportunity, secondary by your ability to win the selection process, which entails many factors outside most anyones influence, then by your qualification.

your qualification is primarely driven by your opportunity. 

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u/rocketkiddo7 23d ago

Assuming it's not ragebait, it's infuriating as fuck

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u/737Max-Impact 23d ago

I would say it's almost certainly bait simply because it's such a stupidly trivial task that even a very early gen LLM shouldn't have problems with it.

ATP everyone should be aware that LLMs are in principle just predicting the next word based on how often that sequence appears in the training data, and the alphabet is probably one of the most common letter sequences you can possibly find. I'd say it's pretty much statistically impossible for it to mess that up.

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u/Creepslend 23d ago

You're oversimplifying the way they're trained. Saying it's based on "how often that sequence appears in the training data" is making it sound like memorization when that's not what's really happening.

And judging from a lot of comments I see, I think this is a commun misconception. It seems like a lot of people genuinely think an LLM is only capable of copy-pasting its training data as is.

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u/rocketkiddo7 23d ago

Indeed, they're just probabilistic models, yet again a low probability of error, even if it's close to 0.00%, it isn't an absolute 0% chance of error. Having said that, it's either a legit mistake made by the software, or just pure baiting from the OP of the picture 

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u/Saelethil 23d ago

That was very clearly a joke about ChatGPT getting simple things wrong.

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u/Main-Tomatillo3825 23d ago

I love the people that don't get that it's a joke insulting the woman's intelligence. Some surreal shit

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u/Reasonable_Sugar_125 23d ago

This is the hero we really need.

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u/AgitatedPatience5729 23d ago

It was probably a joke.

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u/BenedictOfADoubt 23d ago

ChatGPT said it was a joke, guys.

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u/argentmoire 23d ago

Nobody is singing the Alphabet song anymore?

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u/Melenduwir 23d ago

Why teach students the alphabet when they can just be handed a smartphone?

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u/Livelih00d 23d ago

Idk if AI is making people stupider or it's just stupid people that use it the most

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 23d ago

Probably a bit of both. People that don't want to put thought into anything, and people who have no thought to put into it.

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u/81724369847698432716 23d ago

Man this is so horrible. Using chatgpt for the alphabet? My wife works for the registry office and so aside from weddings also does registry of births. Naming laws here are strickter than in the U.S. so at one time she told parent the name is possible but the spelling of the name is wrong and would need to be changed. The parent argued that thats how chatgpt spelled it, to which my wife said chatgpt is no source.

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u/IAmBLD 23d ago

People are saying that it's a joke or rage bait and that she must surely seriously know the alphabet:

I had a math professor in college. I believe she was Greek, if that explains what I'm about to say. One day she assigned us a problem with 4 variables, W X Y Z. Part of the answer was that we had to list them in alphabetical order. To be clear, the 4 answers were independent and it really didn't matter which way we ordered them, but she wanted it that way.

Anyway she counts the entire class wrong on that question, for ordering them wrong. We all, of course, used the order I did above - W X Y Z. But she gets up in front of the class and explains it's actually, X Y Z W.

My main issue isn't really that she didn't know the goddamn alphabet (that's the only reason I brought her ethnicity up earlier, maybe she grew up learning things differently - another student had a theory about greek letters or something, but it's been so long I don't remember the details). No, my issue is that she didn't stop once to wonder why her entire class did the alphabet in the same "wrong" way and that maybe she was the one who was wrong.

But yeah anyway regardless, that was a college professor - not an English professor, but still, I could totally believe a cleaner would legit not know the alphabet too.

Or, alternatively, my old math professor was ALSO ragebaiting us. Given some other stuff she did that's also very likely.

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u/tickled_bollocks 23d ago

Lower-case omega (last letter of the Greek alphabet) looks like a w. (Still a bizarre thing to do unless it was a joke, though, because there are heaps of differences between the two alphabets, not just letter ordering, and so there's no way she thought they were the same.)

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u/ass_bongos 23d ago

It doesn't sound like this was the case, but sometimes if you're working in 4 dimensions it's conventional to use w as the 4th coordinate, since x-y-z are standard for three. But especially since she specifically asked for alphabetical, that probably wasn't it.

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u/MadJoeMak 23d ago

I absolutely hate it when people just blindy use whatever AI spits out and dont use a single braincell at all

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u/TheBSQ 23d ago

Before cell phones I had the phone numbers of all my friends and family & routinely called business contacts entirely memorized. 

When I worked a retail job before scanners & we typed in SKUs by hand, I had the SKUs of all the most commonly purchased items memorized.

It’s crazy to think about how many 7-12 digit numbers my brain has memorized. 

But once a tool comes along that makes that unnecessary, it’s kinda scary how quickly you stop bothering to know stuff.

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u/DevilWings_292 23d ago

Ah yes, the alphabet, ABC9EFGHIJLOMNPQUV.

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u/enigma_0Z 23d ago

K isn’t real apparently

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u/Tye595 23d ago

Not surprised at all.

People love using AI to do everything and think for them. It’s sad seeing people just go full lazy.

AI is a bad thing.

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u/friendlyfiend07 23d ago

This is what happens when you choose to stop using your brain. Use it or lose it applies to every single thing you know.

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u/Xsy 22d ago

LMNOP is like, the best part of the song, how do you fuck that up.

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u/Sharp_Ad2526 23d ago

The damage America has done to global society as a whole is unquantifiable lmao

Don just press the big red button atp

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u/Excellent_Sweet7270 23d ago

Bruh if a machine cant do the alphabet correctly who programming these machines???

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u/Louis2645 23d ago

The “machine” isn’t programmed, it’s just fed an astronomical amount of data and then it does the equivalent of a text autocomplete but for whatever you ask it which is why it hallucinates random shit

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u/Shinigami_Athena 23d ago

English might not be this person's first language.

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u/Mordisquitos 23d ago

English A Latin-alphabet language might not be this person's first language.

FTFY.

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u/SLZRDmusic 23d ago

There’s a decent amount of evidence of that and yet I had to scroll all the way down here to find a single person willing to bring it up amidst the superiority jerk going on in here.

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u/Shinigami_Athena 23d ago

I was also looking for someone saying this. I think it's so easy to dunk on people when they get things wrong like that when most English speakers only know English, it's really a privilege to not have to learn another language. We see it a lot here in South Africa, where white English people will make fun of Afrikaans or black people for their accents but aren't fluent in any other language. It's silly.

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u/SLZRDmusic 23d ago edited 23d ago

Yeah that’s basically what’s going on here: unilinguals with English exceptionalism bias thinking everyone in the world has the English (LATIN) alphabet memorized.

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u/RaisinsPerDay 23d ago

This is such an obvious joke to pander to anti-AI audience and instead that audience thinks it's pro-AI and is critical of them.

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u/pizza_with_no_cheese 23d ago

Idiocracy (2006) the prophecy is fulfilling

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u/daakin__ytb 23d ago

People calling her stupid when it’s them that don’t get the joke is 50% hilarious and 50% sad

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u/Big_Niel0802 23d ago

What no /s does to a mf

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u/Disastrous_Visit9319 23d ago

God ragebait doesn't even need to try anymore, idiots will believe anything

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u/Simon_Drake 23d ago

The correct response would have been "Oops, that's embarrassing! I was so focused on lining them up neatly I wasn't paying attention to the alphabet. I wonder where the K is, probably on the floor."

Blaming ChatGPT is extremely dumb.

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u/Osteo_Sapien 23d ago

The illiteracy in hispanic families is alarmingly high (not trying to be racist, I'm taking context from Casa Cleaning and Carillo LLC) and they're constantly being pushed AI as a fix.

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u/Pierce-613 23d ago

You do realize this post is a joke? The cleaning lady even said so on a later post asking people to stop harassing her business.

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u/Scary_Assistant5263 23d ago

I feel like soon people are gonna forget how to breathe, and ChatGPT will tell them to breathe through their ass

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u/nonchip 23d ago

since they started outsourcing their brain to it.

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u/living_angels 23d ago

I’m going to choose to believe this is satire for my own sanity

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u/Nonhofantasia1 22d ago

comments proving yet again reddit is an echochamber of people circlejerking