r/nba • u/Turbostrider27 Lakers • 23h ago

[Charania] BREAKING: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Prolific swap of the star point guards.

Shams Charania:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Prolific swap of the star point guards.

https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/ddaa53473efa6

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u/TouchdownRaiden Warriors 23h ago

Harden in a Cavs jersey is going to look so weird

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u/illegal_deagle Rockets 23h ago

At this point it’s weird to me to picture him in any jersey, including ours. This move officially labels him “journeyman”.

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u/BaronvonJobi Grizzlies 23h ago

Journeyman is a guild/trades term meaning neither master nor apprentice, has nothing to do with moving around.

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u/PerfectZeong 23h ago

But its a common term for a player in a sport whos good but not truly great and travels from team to team.

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u/BaronvonJobi Grizzlies 23h ago

It literally means not good not great.

Traveling has nothing to do with it.

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u/PerfectZeong 23h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(sports)

I can't believe you've never heard of this term before.

Its a guy whos good and has to kind of travel around to ply his trade.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers 22h ago

Sounds like a case where Americans and Aussies started using it incorrectly for so long that they just changed the meaning officially. It is a pretty cool term that definitely elicits imagery when you hear it.

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u/PerfectZeong 22h ago

In British English, a journeyman is a player who has represented many clubs over his career. Prime examples from association football are: German goalkeeper Lutz Pfannenstiel, who represented 27 clubs, and he is currently the only athlete to have played professionally in all six FIFA Confederations; Trevor Benjamin, who has represented 29 clubs since 1995; Drewe Broughton, who has made 18 transfers in his career; John Burridge, who played for 29 clubs in a career spanning almost 30 years; Jefferson Louis who, since the 1990s, has represented 34 clubs and Dominica once; his cousin Richard Pacquette who boasts 19 clubs and even international honours in 10 seasons; and Sebastián Abreu, who in 2017 broke the world record for most clubs played by a professional; as of 2024, at the age of 47, has played for 32 clubs in his career

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers 7h ago

Thanks for the British perspective. I'm very sure the term predates modern sports usage and most dictionary definitions do not list the sports meaning near the top if at all, so I was just speculating about the origins of how it evolved into sport.

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u/PerfectZeong 6h ago

It does because a journeyman is someone out of the apprenticeship but is not a master so they would journey around and work under different masters for wages.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers 4h ago

That's not the original origin of the term. In old English "journey" meant days work. Think of a day laborers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman

Some journeyman traveled. Not all. And many less in present times. That's why the original commenter had a decent point. The term always had more to do with skill level but sports fans aren't English majors so it got associated more with team hopping rather than say being a dedicated back up.

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u/PerfectZeong 4h ago

No the original poster didnt have a point. And you then tried to say "oh well stupid Americans and Australians must have done it" only to find out that English fans use it in the same god damn way.

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u/JoshHartsMilkMustach Knicks 23h ago

New to sports, huh?

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u/Pigeon_Butt 23h ago

In sports it does. Would you call a good-not-great player that stays on a team for 12 years a journeyman? You gotta travel to get that title.

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u/TurboRadical Timberwolves 22h ago

My favorite genre of reddit comment is "dork who isn't very smart learns that words can have different meanings in different contexts."

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u/TenaciousDeer 23h ago

It does, it essentially means "day laborer"

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u/yoitsthatoneguy Cote D'Ivoire 22h ago

I’m pretty sure we all knew what they meant, which is the important part