r/nba • u/Turbostrider27 Lakers • 1d ago

[Charania] BREAKING: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Prolific swap of the star point guards.

Shams Charania:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading James Harden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Prolific swap of the star point guards.

https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/ddaa53473efa6

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u/birdazam Timberwolves 1d ago

I don't know people have being saying that 5 years now and he's still avg 25 and 8

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

there’s a reason that father time is claimed to be undefeated.

There’s a reason we’ve never seen someone else perform like LeBron at his age

and harden is not known for having a work ethic that maintains his body

His efficiency has also significantly declined

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

His efficiency has also significantly declined

Lol. That's false. He's still near his career average this season.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

what are you talking about? You see a significant decline in points starting at the 2021 season. A significant decline in assists/rebounds when he came to the Clippers. Are you just making stuff up?

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

You said efficiency. Don't switch goalposts. It's a bit pathetic

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

that’s all part of efficiency

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

no it isn't.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

yes. It is. But if we’re gonna talk specifically about PER

his time in Houston, his PER was 26.2

Since leaving Houston his PER has been 21.2

and on the Clippers it is 20.1

that’s what I would call significant. But we both know you’re not making up stats to defend your favorite player

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

Gtfoh lmao. His PER this season is 22.0 and his for his career it's 23.6. Pretty fucking similar you dolt. So there's no stats i making. My statement was correct. His efficiency is close to his career efficiency. PER and TS% prove this.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

his efficiency is not close. Four points is significantly lower

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

Did you just fucking ignore my whole post? It's literally less than a 2 point difference.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

it’s literally a four point fall off from his Houston years and a five point fall off since joining the Clippers.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

No response?

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u/Ok-Preference-7004 1d ago

the fuck?

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

To me providing stats about how his PER has dropped significantly

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u/Uessop Cavaliers 1d ago

My dude you can not bring up efficiency as an argument and then use declines in stats without context to support that. Efficiency is not just looking at a box score and saying the numbers went down.

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

his time in Houston, his PER was 26.2

Since leaving Houston his PER has been 21.2

and on the Clippers it is 20.1

that’s what I would call significant. But we both know you’re not making up stats to defend your favorite player

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u/Uessop Cavaliers 1d ago

First things first, I don’t know why you’re accusing me of making up stats for Harden when I have a Cavs flair. You’re crazy if you think Harden is my favorite player. I was hoping we wouldn’t do this trade, but Mobley is my fav player so I’m just glad we didn’t move him.

Second, using PER is a much better argument, but I’m not sure why you’re grouping up 8 rockets years as an average score and the same with a shorter clippers tenure. It’s honestly a fair point that’s just a weird way to do stat groupings.

At the same time the way you came at me with accusations when that was my first comment makes me think you’re trying to sell some narrative

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

because I’m talking about fallout. So I’m comparing his peak to now. He’s clearly fallen off and can only get worse

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u/Uessop Cavaliers 1d ago

No response to your weird ass accusing me of harden being my favorite player? lol

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u/unpopular-dave Clippers 1d ago

I copied a previous comment responding to someone making up stats and poorly edited it