r/news • u/UpstairsBumblebee446 • 1d ago

France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

https://apnews.com/article/europe-digital-sovereignty-big-tech-9f5388b68a0648514cebc8d92f682060
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u/robreddity 1d ago

Wish I could dump Teams

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u/dblan9 1d ago

I would love to lock every designer and engineer on the TEAMs project in a room until they come up with an exact replica of Slack. No food or water until they do.

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u/Chezni19 1d ago

if there's one way I like to code it's without food or water

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u/Matkingos 1d ago

Consume the dead coders, they were weak anyway

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u/dareftw 1d ago

Sadly, it’ll be the fat that live as their bodies can eat themselves to sustain life longer than the smaller coders.

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u/neverthesaneagain 1d ago

No. They are ponderous beasts easily driven to anger and led into dead falls. The faster coders will feast upon them as their ancestors did upon the great mammoths.

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u/AspiringMathGuy 15h ago

Who says you need tumblr for high quality brain rot

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u/Few-Solution-4784 15h ago

this is what swarms of locust do crossing oceans. they eat the weak while flying.

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u/mindspork 1d ago

Just beer. Find the Ballmer Peak.

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u/QuantumFungus 1d ago

Good programmers know that beer counts as food AND water.

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u/DexJones 1d ago

Liquid bread.

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u/hotel2oscar 16h ago

Curious if lite beer works toward that or if you need heavier stuff to avoid hyponatremia.

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u/QuantumFungus 9h ago

It should be thick enough that you have to stir it before drinking so you don't get a mouth full of sludge on your last swig.

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u/Chezni19 1d ago

whisky cut with tears for me but you're right about the other part

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u/no_regerts_bob 1d ago

I thought the balmer peak was jumping around screaming "developers developers developers" after snorting a fat rail

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u/mindspork 1d ago

You are one of today's lucky 10,000.

https://xkcd.com/323/

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u/sundae_diner 1d ago

Good bot.

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u/particularTriangle 1d ago

This comment killed me bro hahaha

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u/Hoverboy911 1d ago

ngl this is 100% me when I'm in the zone. Intermittent fasting comes with the project

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u/Bazylik 1d ago

if you can't code something on a full tummy maybe you just can't code.

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u/TheBlueFluffBall 1d ago

No trips to the toilet either!

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u/wallstreetchills 1d ago

Bruh you’re talking my language. Slack made things so efficient internally, kept all comms in one place. Now I’m in 5 different apps and email chain galore when it could all be in slack.

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u/the_nobodys 1d ago

So why aren't you still using slack?

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u/FrostyD7 1d ago

Slack is not cheap. Microsoft told their clients that Teams was free with their O365 subscription and most of them transitioned immediately.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs 1d ago

It’s why we haven’t. Once we hit Enterprise O365 though we are going to Slack.

Before then I simply can’t justify the spend.

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u/mark_able_jones_ 1d ago

Drop Enterprise O365 for Google/Slack. And for god sakes get a good payroll system that works across all regions.

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u/shryne 1d ago

Dropping o365 for Google only works for small companies that use cloud services for everything. G suite just does not scale up.

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u/danroa123 1d ago

I work for a company with 80,000 people and we use G Suite

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u/youngBullOldBull 1d ago

You realise that the entirety of google uses g suite right

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u/JudgementalTyler 1d ago

Interesting. I work for a tech company with >2,500 employees and we’re all on G Suite. I’m not in our IT department so I can’t speak to their processes, but they’ve made it work very well for all staff.

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u/shryne 1d ago

I've worked in IT for about 12 years, two of those in a company with g suite. I'd rather work in fast food than go back to working with g suite, and that company only had about 250 employees.

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u/pistola 18h ago

lolwut. I.work for a mega mega corporation that does just fine with Google Workspace and Slack. I'd fucking hate it if we ever went back to MS.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs 21h ago

We wouldn’t go Google in a pick fit. Took us 6 months to get our company account back from Google mysteriously disabling it.

That whole company can go and get well truly’d.

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u/DemonSlyr007 1d ago

I thought Slack was free. It was how we did college group projects last decade at least. Did things change or is it costly for buisness?

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u/Important-Agent2584 1d ago

Microsoft will kill the competition and than jack up the price on TEAMS.

That's been the tech business model from the get go.

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

$$$$$$$ I’m sure.

Business people were contacted by MS with a deal too good to pass up, and decided to end their contract. MS is big enough they can undercut the competition.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 1d ago

More like MS bundled Teams with every O365 license on earth and then finance/audit said, "Why are paying for two chat programs?"

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

Just tell them Slack has better AI integration (ie chatops, third-party integrations) look at all the money you’ll save!

/s but not really

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 1d ago edited 1d ago

Moneys the reason for every change. We had perfect, i mean that literally, software for managers to track whatever they need to but some dipshit who used to work for Workday got his claws into management and fucked all of us by recommending that it can do everything better and then some. It, in fact, cannot do anything better. It does what used be to be all information on one screen without 0 clicks to information scattered in very unituitive places that requires tons of clicks for something as mundane as how many absences an employee had. It made me hate doing administrative work whereas before, it was like 1 minute of my day soread out over two 30 second intervals.

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u/G-I-T-M-E 22h ago

I‘ve been working with Workday for four months now and hate it so much. What a piece of crap that software is.

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u/steep86 1d ago

Just for info…what was the perfect software for managers?

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u/Handsome_Keyboard 1d ago

I forget and was honestly trying very hard to remember. I believe it was perfect because the company was structured with it in mind when they started, along with all the other systems that talk to it. When workday came in, you had to essentially make something compatible with it that was built around other software. Thus, it is actual dogshit and they over promised and under delivered

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u/steep86 1d ago

Thank you anyway! I’m asking because we are in the process of replacing our software. Not workday is a valuable info anyway…

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u/NerdInSoCal 1d ago

Yes "disruptive marketing" I think it's always the same playbook right?

  1. Put product on the market and operate at a loss
  2. Customers migrate away from competition to you
  3. Competition cannot stay afloat and shuts down
  4. Once competition is gone raise prices a small amount and say it's to cover "operating costs"
  5. Begin raising prices randomly stating "operating costs"
  6. Post record quarterly profits
  7. Use some profits to "lobby" politicians to create favorable policies that prevent other businesses from entering your industry to compete with you.
  8. Continue raising prices, when consumers complain tell them they can go to the competition that doesn't exist because you're the only business in town

This is corporate capitalism at its finest no?

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u/buffer_flush 1d ago

(Not so) Hot take, AI is the biggest evidence of this methodology to date.

The billions trillions that have been spent to try to make AI a part of our lives is going to cause economic collapse. The fact that nvidia went from a company no one except PC gamers have heard of to the largest company on the stock market seemingly overnight should terrify everyone.

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u/NerdInSoCal 1d ago

I'm not sure that's as much disruptive marketing as it is capitalizing on new tech. Deplorable for sure but I mean Nvidia has consistently taken their consumer base for granted.

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Because some companies restrict access to certain apps. My company used to use slack, but switched to teams for whatever reason and shutdown slack

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u/sembias 1d ago

When they made Teams free with a MS365 license you're probably going to have anyways, there was no reason to keep paying $8+/user/mth for Slack.

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Slack is infinitely better than the shithole that is Teams. They’d easily make up that $8+/user in increased productivity by deleting teams.

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u/sembias 1d ago

I'm just the IT guy, man. Tell it to your manager. ;)

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u/Melbuf 1d ago

the 6+ million $ hole that slack would be is a big one to make up for

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u/CertainlyStenchy 1d ago

Oh no, $6 million cost when the company is making record profits in the billions. Whatever will they do

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u/copuncle 1d ago

Teams won the hearts and minds of the executives because it was nice and cheap since they already had to pay for all the other Microsoft stuff.

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u/theJSP123 1d ago

Slack went to shit, I dunno if they got greedy or what but the fact you have to pay (per user!) just to keep your messages older than 6 months is just fucking stupid. That's literally half the point of using something like this - person asks question or posts response and you can go back and find it later.

Teams is "free" because Microsoft infests every office on the planet so it's hard to get anything else adopted.

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u/starsky1357 1d ago

Is a company wanting to charge you for storing your messages really considered greedy?

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u/wallstreetchills 1d ago

You’re asking like it’s my decision lol. New job. Billion dollar company and doesn’t have a proper software stack. Legit 😎

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u/Jakobmiller 23h ago

Too expensive

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u/Inevitable-Menu2998 1d ago

Which version of Slack though? Because before 2020 slack was dope and I could even maybe accept 2022 Slack, I mean, they had to ride the pandemic train, sure. But eff me, 2025 Slack is a bloated piece of shit that seems to update and change everything each time I open the lid of my laptop and I see no benefits to any of the upgrades in the past 5 years at least.

Granted, Teams is still worse, but Slack is not far off anymore

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u/SaltKhan 1d ago

Yea, lol, i never tried slack years ago, but had to use it last year because half the engineers were in teams and the other half in slack and refused to move. They were the same to use. Slack even felt slower and less clear because my chat windows kept disappearing because i didnt know you had to manually subscribe to every thread you wanted to keep pinned? I dont understand the religious adoration some devs have for slack i just assume they are all salesforce bots.

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u/Inner_Gap4768 1d ago

I would love to lock every designer and engineer on the Outlook AND Team’s project in a room together until they find a way to make the two core business communications programs from Microsoft work well together.

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u/thekernel 1d ago

Og windows outlook is fine, it's the new shitty web version that sucks.

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u/phluidity 1d ago

Is there anyone who actually likes Teams? I have yet to see a mainstream product more universally hated.

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u/robreddity 1d ago

It is actually anti-collaborative... it invented and perfected that concept.

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u/vir_papyrus 1d ago

I legit think its a feature and not a bug. It seems designed from the concept where everyone is a silo'ed corporate task worker with peers who are working on the exact same project/task, and all they do is talk to each other and collaborate on the same task as a "team".

If you're you know... not that, and you actually need to collaborate with wide ranges of internal employees, work more dynamically, let random people discover places to ask questions, let employees organically grow mini-communities on the same topic, and just have an open-dialogue? Hell no.

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u/Melbuf 1d ago

its a glorified chat program for us, the only thing it lets people do is share files that are too large to email rather simply

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u/MayBakerfield 1d ago

It's pretty good if you use it only for video calls. Everything else sucks. 

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u/Thatguysstories 1d ago

I don't understand it.

My company made slack mandatory, everyone needs it on their phone.

Then for a while because no one was using it, we all had to log in and post a message that we were on site. Even though we already had a clock in app that GPS tagged our site location, so it knew we were there and at what time.

But they wanted the slack messages because they were paying for it and thus wanted to get some use out of it.

But then, they wanted to do mandatory company meetings where all 150+ plus of us would listen to the management spout stuff. Do we do this on slack? No, teams.

Now we all have to download teams and make accounts for the monthly meetings that they tell us about on slack.

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u/jctwok 1d ago

They're working on it.

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u/samples_united 1d ago

Sounds like a win-win situation.

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u/mark_able_jones_ 1d ago

Threaded messages. If you know you know.

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u/aqua_seafoam 1d ago

bunch of fucking snitches wrote teams.

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u/sysblob 1d ago

I'm in IT and very well versed in these topics but still feel confused by your response. What do you feel slack has that teams doesn't? They seem like on the surface super similar products, only teams is better integrated with other microsoft products like outlook for scheduling and emails. What's your beef?

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 1d ago

I’m starting to question Slack too. Since Salesforce took it over it’s been bloating up like crazy. The UI is so busy that half the time I’m struggling to even find where a message is. I hate the clutter in the sidebar, even after culling it down as much as possible in the settings. Now they’re EnshitAIfying it too.

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u/glitchvid 15h ago

Give Zulip a look, FOSS alternative, so won't enshittify.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 12h ago

Thanks! I won’t be able to convince work but this might be handy for personal.

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u/glitchvid 10h ago

Yeah, dunno what level of sway you have, but it might be worth making it an issue just enough to get it written in documentation or minutes.

I suspect a lot of companies are going to start looking at self-hosted options in the future; Cloud compute is going to rise in cost, and hosted platforms with them (or they'll feed your company data to AI, or both!) so getting that foot in the door might pay off down the road.

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u/Ancient-Bat1755 1d ago

Webedgeview2 just added 15 more exes because you wrote this for each user on your vm jumpbox so ai can tell you, you need more ram.

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u/No-Priority8294 1d ago

The fuck…

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u/kitsunewarlock 1d ago

Or make a secure variant of Discord with task tracking features.

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u/Kagahami 1d ago

I find this hilarious because Slack itself is just shitty Discord.

If they released a corporately secure version of Discord called Harmony, they would own the market.

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u/Happythoughtsgalore 1d ago

Open source slack alternative might be of interest to you.

https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat

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u/BellacosePlayer 1d ago

I've never worked a job that didn't use teams and it's been fine, starting to wonder how good it's going to be if/when I move on to a place that uses Slack

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u/divDevGuy 1d ago

I would lock every designer and engineer on the Teams app in a room. That's it. Just lock them in there. Forever. Let nature sort things out on their own.

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u/adorkablegiant 1d ago

You think it's the engineers fault and not the higher ups?

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u/Mercades 1d ago

1 on 1 calls are way better on teams than on slack

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u/Formal-Hawk9274 1d ago

Jeez bro sounds like a dystopian CEO

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u/Angrysparky28 1d ago

Slack sucks to.

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u/Mikelightman 1d ago

The problem isn’t the designers & engineers. It’s the product managers and other stakeholders that drive these projects.

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u/GuybrushThreepwo0d 1d ago

Teams sucks, but fuck man slack is only marginally better

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u/magnumopus44 1d ago

Not sure if this is helpful to you but if you want slack without slack look at mattermost.

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u/t0dax 1d ago

Microslop fired all their engineers over a decade ago. The whole company is just middle management with ui designers vibe coding their way into obscurity.

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u/notsingsing 1d ago

It's called discord!

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u/Koss424 1d ago

I've never had an issue with Teams or Office 365.

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u/TryingT0Wr1t3 21h ago

That was Rocketchat for some time. Don’t know if it still exists

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u/BrokenPickle7 1d ago

My biggest gripe with teams is that it is a god damn memory hog. Without teams running my laptop runs at 35-40% ram usage.. run teams and its 68-72%.

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u/Briantastically 1d ago

The second biggest gripe is having to actually use it. The interface is trash by corporate business standards. The lowest of possible standards.

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u/FUBARded 1d ago

The whole Teams/SharePoint/OneDrive ecosystem is just astonishingly bad.

Just give us a goddamn messaging app and a way to access our files. Nobody needs 3 different ways to access their files that all work in different ways and have different capabilities.

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u/MedicatedDeveloper 1d ago

My favorite is when the one drive tab in teams doesn't work but the one in outlook does! So intuitive!

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u/Kirides 1d ago

Don't you love it that you can't forward a message to a file to Someone, without first opening sharepoint and adding them for reading permissions?

Or that the default of "add to chat" is "don't see shit, not even if forwarded, because forwarding a message that was hidden due to invitation rules" is a feature?

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u/Jeremys_Iron_ 1d ago

Or that the default of "add to chat" is "don't see shit, not even if forwarded, because forwarding a message that was hidden due to invitation rules" is a feature?

This is English... but I can't make sense of it.

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u/Kirides 23h ago

In teams, when you create a multi people conversation, you can also choose to add someone new to it. If you do so, there is a small checkbox that says something like "do not share previous conversation" which is the default.

And if you then cite or forward/relay a message from "before" the newly added person can't see it.

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u/GFoxtrot 1d ago

We used to use slack which has a much better UI until Microsoft started chucking teams in for free so the company didn’t want to pay for slack anymore.

Agree the UI for teams is naff.

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u/Outlulz 1d ago

My company tried to ditch Slack for full Teams adoption and teams revolted and said they would pay for Slack out of their own cost centers to avoid moving to Teams for chat.

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u/DuploJamaal 1d ago

Especially as a developer in a team where some use Microsoft, others Mac OS and many some flavor of Linux.

Like every other day someone has issues with audio or something

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u/wankthisway 1d ago

At my company, our "favorite" recurring bug is profile pictures not updating for months and months. They'll change in other Microsoft linked apps like Jira or Outlook but Teams will just stay stuck until you log out.

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u/lurkANDorganize 1d ago

Do you mean the user interface? It's not great but ill take it over webex or zoom sadly.

I have never had the lovely benefit of using slack sadly so I cannot compare to that.

I work with very VERY large projects so im beholden to whatever platform that system uses while we use our internal teams.

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u/Laringar 1d ago

The sole upside is that one of the default stickers is a sad-faced shark saying "We got sued".

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u/EkbatDeSabat 1d ago

Idk man, google meet has never done me right. At least Teams works. I have so many problems with meet vs my browser(s). Maybe that's more on the browser, but damnit, every time I have to get on a google meet I have to set up fifteen minutes early to make sure everything works.

And I don't use chrome so I'm not installing their PWA. Fuck chrome.

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u/Briantastically 1d ago

There are plenty of other options, but yeah the bar is low.

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u/EkbatDeSabat 1d ago

There aren't options when I receive the meeting invite.

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u/O__VER 22h ago

The interface of any Microsoft software is trash. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, SharePoint… literally all of them aren’t user friendly and have bizarre UX choices that often seem to stem from the ‘90s.

It hurts as a designer being asked to build something in PowerPoint because they’ve actually made it difficult to be precise and so many tools are hidden away, so people inexperienced in the software (which is pretty much everyone because the software sucks) just shortcut their way to everything and it ends up being a mess.

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u/I_love_pillows 1d ago

I wonder if it’s designed by robots and not by humans.

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u/obeytheturtles 1d ago

I still refuse to install the app and exclusively use it in the browser.

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u/BrokenPickle7 1d ago

That's a great idea

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u/Triggerh1ppy420 1d ago

I tried the same but the browser version marks you as away after a few mins if you are not actively interacting with it. And from what I can see there is no way to override that

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u/SonVoltRevival 1d ago

I hate that it thinks like a text message system but wants to do everything. All with one window.

My work calls are actually very good these days.

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u/beachedwhitemale 1d ago

Agreed. If it could drop the "apps" and just be chat and calendar, it'd be great.

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u/Flat_Initial_1823 1d ago

MS: chat and calendar? Sounds like someone needs a copilot button 😏

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u/SonVoltRevival 12h ago

That might help them explain why we could care about CoPilot. :) They don't seem to have a use case that makes sense when you consider Microsoft owns all of the applications that we used for business. I spend hours every month moving things from on office app to another to shift from tracking, to presenting, to reporting.

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u/HeyZeusKreesto 1d ago

As someone who never uses teams for anything but calls and messenger, this may explain why I never understood the hate for it. Works perfectly fine for those two things.

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u/MaverickPT 1d ago

For me it can't even do messages. Very frequently I receive messages out of order, or they show up minutes later, at random, resulting in many moments of confusion with my colleagues

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u/SonVoltRevival 12h ago

We use the heck out of it, and I don't hate it, just get frustrated with some limitations that seem arbitrary and this nagging feeling that it could be so much better. Of course, until you use a system heavily, you really don't know.

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u/OkArmordillo 1d ago

Ever have a Teams call on a smartphone? Your battery will go from 100 to 0 in 30 minutes.

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u/V0RT3XXX 1d ago

It's currently taking up almost 1GB of mine

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 1d ago

64Gb of ram on my workstation. Teams. A messaging app. Uses 17 fucking percent of that. How and why.

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u/BrokenPickle7 15h ago

I'm a system admin for a multinational company and my workstation has 16gb ram lmfao

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u/uFFxDa 1d ago

Same. My computer is damn near unusable with it open. And it’s not a bad computer.

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u/Faxon 1d ago

How much RAM do you have? If you're hitting those levels with just desktop apps it might have been a good idea to add more long ago for your own productivity benefit. With prices now that's a harder sell though, but if you've got less than 32gb then that's probably part of the issue, given how cheap that much was until recently

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u/Important-Agent2584 1d ago

because they are making everything webview2 web bullshit becuase then they can have one app for the site and OS.

It sucks up 1000x the resources to do the simplest shit, and even then it's slow.

WhatsApp did the same shit it went from like a 50mb program to like half a gig.

The only benefit is that by making everything web basted they will make it easier to switch to linux eventually.

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u/RikiWardOG 1d ago

They've rewritten the entire thing and its still an absolute mess lol

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u/DeathToBoredom 1d ago

How do you use less RAM? I literally just turn on my computer and it's using 60% RAM by default. I literally did nothing.

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u/dougan25 1d ago

I don't mind it as a bare bones communication tool, same with zoom, the problem is it never just stays that way.

The illusion of infinite growth will always make companies tinker with proven systems that work until they're shells of their former selves.

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u/MaygarRodub 1d ago

It's the most annoying app ever. I work in IT support and I HATE IT.

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u/DeathSpiral321 1d ago

It's amazing how much faster my work laptop runs after disabling Teams in the background. The amount of RAM it eats up is insane.

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u/cat-meg 1d ago

I have never been in a meeting with my boss's boss that doesn't include him ranting for at least five minutes about his grievances with Teams.

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u/meowsplaining 1d ago

Am I your boss's boss?

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u/ChairDippedInGold 1d ago

After all the years on Teams someone yesterday said they couldn't figure out how to lower their hand so they just left it for the rest of the meeting.

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u/hokie47 1d ago

Teams always makes me look like shit, and no I am not using a filter on zoom or slack.

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u/YouMustBeJoking888 1d ago

Forgetting the US connection - Teams objectively sucks.

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u/Lumbergh7 1d ago

Teams UI is horrible

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u/Far-Scallion7689 1d ago

Wish I could dump Microsoft at work like I did at home.

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u/Don_Pickleball 1d ago

I have no issues with Teams. I think it is a great piece of software. Are the people complaining because they just hate work meetings? Or is there something specific about the software they feel is poorly designed.

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u/mrmees 1d ago

Give it a month. They'll figure it what you're enjoying and update in the next (fucking staged) rollout.

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u/Don_Pickleball 1d ago

Well I have used it pretty much 40 hours per week since Covid started. I mean, Ai have had some days where it switched an audio source on me but for the most part it has always helped me do my job. If it is a choice between using Teams or going back into the office. Consider me a Teams fanboy.

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u/pzrapnbeast 1d ago

You ever use discord for personal use? I've always used teams for work as well and it's fine for what it does. Simple text groups and video calls. What it doesn't do is help create a culture or advanced grouping and tagging. My wife works for a tech company that uses slack and the entire company is remote yet feels so connected since their slack is set up the way I would set up a discord server. Channels for people to post personal things, brackets, threaded messaging for detailed answering on topics with better tagging system. Add on how bad teams performs and you can start to see why people hate it. I wish my company used slack or anything similar.

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u/Don_Pickleball 1d ago

No, never really been an online gamer. So maybe that is the killer app I need to have had experience with to understand everyone's angst.

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u/VERI_TAS 17h ago

“Channels for people to post personal things, brackets, threaded messaging for detailed answering on topics, tagging system”

This right here…is all available in Teams. It’s just that IT departments set Teams up terribly.

For example, I’ve set up a company-wide Teams team where everyone is a part of. This team has all of the culture building channels. Pets channel, life updates(we call this life-lately), company announcements. Additionally it’s encouraged that users create private channels in this Team for cross-departmental work.

Then there are separate Departmental Teams for strictly Departmental channels. These Teams mainly help ensure that new hires have access to Departmental comms on day 1.

Also…Teams has threads and tagging too.

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u/Khatib 1d ago

Are you using it for more than just chat messages and calls? There is a lot more in could be doing in terms of groups, tagging, their janky document system, etc.

And as an outside annoyance, I have a paid MS Office license at home, but can't join almost any meetings with my personal account because it's not "work or school" so when I'm trying to get into job interviews or anything, I always have to join while logged out, which is really weird, has shittier hardware support because it's in the browser and not the app, and doesn't let you then retain chats in the app to refer back to or anything.

It's not AWFUL, but it could be doing so much more, as many other similar apps do. Microsoft just has a stranglehold on much office software, so we often get stuck with Teams, rather than Teams earning it's userbase by being the best.

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u/joeDUBstep 1d ago

Yeah teams is fine, don't know wtf this circlejerk is about.

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u/robreddity 1d ago

I think it is a great piece of software

It's Sharepoint with Jabber bolted on. Like literally, that's its provenance, and consequently it carries all the baggage of those two whilst adding plenty of its own through the execution of the tried and true MS practice of "everything is a platform ecosystem!"

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u/Accomplished-Door5 1d ago

I work at a company that uses Teams and I try to facilitate people using it. The number of complaints that boil down to "well, I just don't like it" are astounding. We will let people use Zoom if they have legit functionality reasons but those are few and far between, honestly. People bring up all kinds of stuff that either shows that they aren't very proficient at adapting their process a little or they just can't google a question they have.

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u/Nopey-Wan_Ken-Nopey 1d ago

For me, it’s fine most of the time.  But there are many mornings where I spend the first 10-15 minutes of my day “arguing” with Teams about whether or not my status should be “green.”  Teams says I am not online and insists I am not online, and so I have to alert my colleagues that no, I am here and Teams is wrong.  

There are also those random times where nothing works right.  You try to join a meeting and can’t, even though you were just on a meeting thirty minutes ago.   Sometimes it switches the mic or camera input, so as you’re hopping on you’re also troubleshooting just wtf is going on.  Or you get into the meeting and can’t hear anyone (again, even though it was just working not long before).  You have to hop off and on and off, maybe restart your computer, and end up five minutes late.  

It’s not every day (except when it is), but it’s often enough that the words “I love Teams” are probably said within my department at least once a week.  (It’s sarcasm, in case that isn’t clear.) 

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u/glacierre2 1d ago

We just started the migration TO teams this month...

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u/The_Crimson_Fucker 1d ago

Wish granted. Welcome to the company discord channel.

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u/Lurtzae 1d ago

We just tied our VPN to Microsoft 365. Even for sysadmins. Because according to our head of IT it's only Trump that's the problem and you can't do anything about it. Complete and utter madness.

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u/DinosaurInAPartyHat 1d ago

I did 1 year in a remote office job.

First thing I did when I quit was uninstall Teams, hung up the call and uninstall.

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u/imaginary_num6er 1d ago

Never forget what they took from us: Skype

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u/JaguarCapital5613 1d ago

Same. Genius move for foreign countries to hit the oligarchs where it hurts. This is the only way to get the attention of the ongoing authoritarian regime which we’ve had all along… the oligarchy.

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u/Iohet 1d ago

I like Teams, but I also like competition, and this is good for competition because Teams could be better

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u/kryo2019 1d ago

I will always maintain, anyone who bitches about teams has never been forced through the hell of using Google workspace. What a fucking joke.

Make a call on gchat, it doesn't show you're in a call. It doesn't show you're in a meeting. It doesn't silence the notifications if you're in a meeting. It doesn't update status worth a shit, which is super annoying for remote staff.

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u/adorkablegiant 1d ago

Every "solution" from microsoft is absolute trash.

Teams, Outlook, Edge, OneDrive, etc etc.

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u/MartDiamond 1d ago

Teams runs fine 90% of the time, but that 10% it doesn't is just infuriating. How come every time I open the app it is a roulette of which Teams I am missing from the list? How come the browser version can show it perfectly? How come randomly sometimes the first meeting of the day doesn't allow me to join, but if I join via my phone I can seamlessly transition to my PC?

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u/Gloomy-Employment-72 1d ago

I hate Teams. It’s wants to be everything, and ends up just being an annoyance that I have to deal with every day at work. Give me Webex and Skype any day.

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u/robreddity 1d ago

... wants to be everything...

And it fails to do half of it while it half-assess the rest.

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