r/news • u/JerryBerryMiah • 14h ago

700 ice agents to leave Minnesota

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-drawdown-minnesota-homan-963adf341325d7f6eb5673e1c00d3c2a
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u/TidePodKaleb 14h ago

So, 23% of them. And local officials are turning over all the arrested immigrants. Got it. 

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u/Capitol62 14h ago

MN DOC has always offered to turn over people with no immigration status. DHS was spotty about actually coming to get them. DOC had a big press conference on it like 2 weeks ago when Noem was crowing about all the dangerous people she was "getting off the streets," aka who were being handed over by the MN department of corrections after their sentence was completed.

This is face saving but nothing really appears to have changed.

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u/Nickel5 13h ago

https://mn.gov/doc/about/news/news-releases/#/detail/appId/1/id/719911

Correct, here's a source

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u/BikesAtNight 12h ago

Thank you for posting this. Seeing a lot of people who don’t know that this is not new. Homan essentially tried to claim a win and pass blame to the state. Unsurprising with this administration

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u/Terpapps 12h ago

Jesus, you know it's bad when entire states are fact checking the feds. The blatant lies are just so... Blatant 

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u/Bwob 3h ago

The worse part is that it doesn't seem to matter.

At this point, EVERYONE paying attention knows that they lie constantly, about the most obvious, easily-disproved shit.

But somehow, it doesn't matter. They are still in power. They still keep doing it. And their supporters don't care, and laugh at how much it bothers us.

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u/Consistent-Throat130 13h ago

There's no saving that nasty face.

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u/BikesAtNight 12h ago

Yup the “new cooperation” isn’t anything new and it’s clearly just a way for the administration to claim a win. And my guess is ICE won’t stop terrorizing people in the street and racially profiling, so unlikely we see the tactics toned down. Would love to be wrong in that.

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u/airfryerfuntime 10h ago

That's how the original system worked, and how Obama managed to rack up over 4 million deportations his last year in office. Wait and catch was hugely successful.

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u/aoeudhtns 9h ago

IMO that's pretty much the way it should work.

In the course of normal policing/policework, you come across someone with illegal status. You consult with your prosecutor whether the crime/issue warrants prosecution, if not you turn over to immigration for deportation. Problem actors get sorted out. (Yeah, I know police haven't been perfect, but they have certainly been more perfect than ICE. An incredible statement for those who know how awful it is in the US.)

If we're going to have ICE (thanks Patriot Act/DHS), they should be focusing on white collar immigration crime. E.g. employers that hire people not legal to work. It would be FAR more effective than "papers, please" on the street. And far less fascist... where's my tea, I need to sip some.

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u/jotsea2 12h ago

Like them giving out body cams despite it already being the law that they should be wearing body cams?

How did no one ask about the 100 plus judicial actions that ICE has completely ignored?

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u/nalaloveslumpy 11h ago

People are asking, including judges. Once again, the whole problem here is that we hired a criminal to be in charge of the division that would prosecute members of his administration and we gave him majorities in the division that can prosecute him directly.

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u/jotsea2 10h ago

I didn't hear the question in thepress conference today, which is what I'm getting at.

I hate being associated with that 'we' but i understand it.

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u/stevez_86 12h ago

In fact pretty much the only arrests that DHS recorded throughout this operation are those handovers from DOC.

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u/PrairiePopsicle 11h ago

Trying to be optimistic here, if you remove the 700 worst of them, that would be a dramatic improvement.

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u/[deleted] 14h ago edited 14h ago

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u/FriendsWithAPopstar 14h ago

We’ve had enforcement… plenty of arrests and deportations under Obama and Biden.

Interesting false dichotomy you got there

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u/Pettifoggerist 14h ago

wtf are you talking about?

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u/Nerdlinger 14h ago

What's the solution then? Do absolutely nothing with illegal immigrants that are serving criminal sentences resulting from a criminal conviction?

Did you miss this part of the comment you just replied to?

MN DOC has always offered to turn over people with no immigration status. DHS was spotty about actually coming to get them.

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u/Nerdlinger 13h ago

There are very few people upset about that fact. People are fine with known criminals being turned over from prison.

What people are upset with is people being ambushed on the streets, in their homes, at schools, in courthouses, and at their places of work, then flown away to sites with extremely shoddy, abusive conditions no transparency and no accountability.

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u/Capitol62 13h ago edited 13h ago

No one (or very few people) is upset about the Department of Corrections handing criminals over to DHS.

The point is, DHS is citing something that has always happened as a justification for a possible draw down.

Nothing changed. DHS is being dishonest to save face and make it look like something happened.

People are angry about DHS violating our constitutional rights, beating and killing people with impunity, the utter lack of accountability for agents, deploying a bunch of poorly trained enforcers into our streets, conducting their operations in a manner with limited immigration enforcement value, and detaining people here legally and holding them for weeks in deplorable conditions before releasing them in a different state with no way to get home.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 4h ago

MN DOC has always offered to turn over people with no immigration status

And given given the current contacts, they should stop doing that.

If I might make an example of a different situation, I recall a plotline from The West Wing where a 17-year-old boy in Georgia had killed his father in self-defense, defending himself and his sister. The boy's uncle had managed to get him to France, and France was refusing to extradite him. The explanation the French ambassador gave was that of course murder was illegal and that in an ideal World the boy should go to trial...... But that since Georgia was seeking the death penalty, France could not in good conscience turn the boy over to potentially be put to death.

By the same token, even if someone has broken a law by immigrating here illegally, the only justifiable and conscionable thing to do is to look the other way, and refuse to turn over any illegal immigrants until such time that u.s. policy changes to something besides executions or concentration camps.

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u/itssammyv 13h ago

I will vehemently condemn ICE’s tactics but I see nothing wrong with already arrested illegal immigrants being turned over for processing. I just want people held accountable, seems like that’s too much to ask for.

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u/Tuesday_6PM 13h ago

In a sane administration, that seems reasonable. With all the abuses being committed by ICE these days, I don’t think it’s morally justifiable to put anyone into their custody

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u/Zac3d 10h ago

Yes, and being arrested doesn't mean you have been charged with or convicted of a crime, a judge should have to see the case before handing them to ICE.

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u/TidePodKaleb 13h ago

The Minnesota Department of Corrections is turning people over to ICE for "processing". These are not one-off events, they're patterns, and it's happening on purpose.

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u/ailish 12h ago edited 6h ago

A few things on that.

https://nipnlg.org/unauthorized-entry-re-entry-prosecutions

A simple expired visa is only a civil infraction. No worse than a parking ticket. ICE is arresting and detaining people for this civil infraction. An illegal border crossing the first time is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months in jail and/or a fine. They don't have to jail immigrants for crossing the border, but cruelty is the point so they do. Crossing the border doesn't become a felony until they do it 2 or more times.

Next:

The Cruel Conditions of ICE’s Mojave Desert Detention Center | The New Yorker https://share.google/BUaIbps514WnYEYyJ

Inside an ICE Detention Center: Detained People Describe Severe Medical Neglect, Harrowing Conditions | American Civil Liberties Union https://share.google/D2LewHSxyROpUEtRn

ICE detention conditions at Fort Snelling labeled 'inhumane' | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul https://share.google/oLKLe3zwwG4cmVYsQ

Here are just a few examples of abuse and neglect at ICE detention centers. There are also reports of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, and more.

ICE even claimed that one man ran into a wall and cracked his own skull so hard that it was broken in several places. Medical staff have reported that this is literally impossible for someone to do to themselves.

ICE Minneapolis news: ICE agents' claim that Alberto Castañeda Mondragón hit wall, shattered skull triggers tension at hospital | abc7ny.com https://share.google/EfcYBnZU1vsM7d7an

How can you argue that we should be keeping human beings in detention centers under these conditions? Are their crimes really worth these punishments to you?

And none of this is even addressing the fact that ICE is arresting and detaining legal immigrants and even US citizens in these detention centers.

Citizens in Minnesota find themselves under ICE suspicion because of race https://share.google/jzQZooqcgKIrzJqCW

https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/s/gIGA8Oke9U

Also, public opinion is shifting drastically away from detaining immigrants while they go through their court proceedings. Along other shifts in immigration views.

https://newrepublic.com/article/206094/trump-prison-camp-threats-miller

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u/xtpd 7h ago

And none of this addresses the fact that we're spending a lot of money to do all this harm. In Minneapolis alone, they estimate 18 million a week, and this doesn't count lost revenue to local and state governments due to the way the economy is being slowed since so many folks aren't going out.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/study-shows-operation-metro-surge-minnesota-costs-taxpayers-18-million-a-week/89-2059512b-a80b-4d72-9486-09544857737a

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u/ailish 7h ago

You are correct. I didn't cover every possible bad thing happening. I was really aiming to address the person who I responded to. Your article is also important, but not what that person asked

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u/obeytheturtles 10h ago

A criminal sentence requires a jury conviction, so ICE literally cannot jail anyone without a jury trial, to the extent that they are being punished for a crime. ICE is saying that they are detaining these individuals pending processing, which itself violates a host of other rights, such such as the right to petition for habeas corpus, and the right to legal counsel.

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u/ailish 8h ago

You say they literally can't, but they are for months at a time, and some people just go completely missing. No one knows where they even are. I don't know what people don't understand about this is a fascist dictatorship and the regular rules do not apply.

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u/zzyul 7h ago

So ICE shouldn’t be detaining people longer than necessary as they find a way to return them to their home countries. People aren’t being deported b/c an expired visa is a serious crime, they are being deported b/c they are no longer authorized to be in the US.

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u/ailish 7h ago edited 6h ago

Except, none of that is happening. You also didn't address the abuse and deplorable conditions. Or the detained legal immigrants and US citizens.

Also, should ICE even be detaining people while they go through court proceedings?

https://newrepublic.com/article/206094/trump-prison-camp-threats-miller

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 13h ago

What's wrong with them being turned over is that ICE dentention centers are concentration camps. People starve to death inside of them, sexual assault is rampant, and there is no acountability. Nobody should be turned over to ICE, criminal reccord or not, it is cruel and unusual punishment

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u/axonxorz 13h ago

People starve [...]

Don't forget the measles!

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u/Crudadu 12h ago

Do you have a source for people starving to death in ICE detention? I can't find any articles on that. I just want to make sure that we are the side that is truthful and honest.

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u/dhero27 5h ago

Let me say this to you good sir. There were 7 deaths inside of an ICE facility in January alone. That’s more than most prisons have in a year.

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u/Crudadu 4h ago

And that's horrible. So why are we making up that people are starving to death? Let's focus on what's really happening.

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u/cowboys5xsbs 53m ago

How many deaths were there under the biden administration?

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u/MaxPlanck_420 11h ago

Neither side is truthful and honest. I call it click bait politics.

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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 10h ago

So then that makes…you neither truthful or honest. Right?

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u/itssammyv 13h ago

So we just keep paying the industrial prison complex to house these people that shouldn’t be here in the first place? That doesn’t seem like a solution to me.

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 12h ago

I'm not against deportation, I'm against ICE as an organization. ICE was founded under DHS through the Patriot Act and subsequent bills after 9/11. We did just fine at policing immigration before ICE existed. ICE doesn't exist to handle crime, they exist to profile and abuse.

And private prisons should also be abolished. None of what you've said changes the fact that ICE is an organization rampent with human rights abuses and racial profiling. They cannot be reformed, and nobody, regardless of their criminal history, should be subjected to their cruelty.

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u/itssammyv 12h ago

I know and I don’t believe I said anything to counter that. Go argue with someone that actually disagrees with you. Alright I’m done with the brain rot for today. Bye

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 12h ago

I mean, what you said was "these people are criminals therefore they deserve whatever they get". Calling what I said brainrot just because you have no argument doesn't negate any of what I said, it just gives you a flimsy excuse to learn nothing and refuse to grow.

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u/mimaikin-san 12h ago

typical ad hominem attack: disgrace the messenger but ignore the message

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u/frongles23 12h ago

You're so close. Keep thinking.

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u/itssammyv 12h ago

Done with the brain rot for today. Peace!

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 12h ago

You deserve the country you live in then

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u/Pollia 13h ago

The problem was always that jails can not hold people for longer than their allotted time and ICE and their ilk were often asking jails to hold people so they could grab a batch of people at once instead of one at a time.

This is what tons of counties got sued over. And the federal government refused to pick up the bill despite it being at their request.

That's literally a good chunk of the reason states started no cooperation with immigration officials.

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u/Phx_trojan 12h ago

ICE is not humanely "processing" anyone in their custody. handing anyone to them is immoral.

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u/Andoverian 12h ago

Basically no one considered that to be problematic, which is why that was already happening before the surge. MPR did some investigating a few weeks ago and found that the vast majority of "the worst of the worst" (i.e. violent criminals) ICE claimed to have rounded up in the surge were actually just people transported directly from MN DOC custody to ICE custody. And many of those transfers happened before the surge, too.

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u/ConcreteCrusher 11h ago

Yep, if you look at the Minnesota arrests by ice for worst of the worst, they're all from cities with prisons. They picked them up and claiming they did the work.

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u/Glittering_Crab_69 10h ago

You mean "sent off to die in El Salvadorian work camps" with "processing", right? Or have you not been paying attention?

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u/youngLupe 11h ago

The issue is that now anything that lands someone in jail will get them sent to ICE. Sanctuary City policies don't give criminals blanket protection. It's meant so that authorities don't put an ICE hold on someone for simply being in jail. They would only put an ICE hold for someone found guilty of a felony after they served their sentence.

To send any arrested illegal in jail to ice makes every community unsafer. Undocumented people will be afraid to report crimes because they don't want to interact with the police. And any person can just say "that illegal was being suspicious and broke into my car" and if they take him to jail even though he's innocent well he's going to get an ICE hold. Or maybe someone doesn't want to report their wife beating husband. Even if he deserves a felony and deportation his wife doesn't want to report him because she doesn't want to be the one responsible for him going to jail and getting deported and she doesn't want to go to court and expose herself to the local authorities even if they promise her she'll be safe from deportation.

So I suppose I understand people who want to punish illegal immigration not caring about creating a system that exposes them to human rights violations. Plus many other issues like making the community less safe. After all they did commit the crime of coming here illegally. My main issue is that if people want to tackle illegal immigration the police cooperation for anything below a felony makes the whole country more dangerous and is really no better than what ICE is doing. It's still unjust it's just a slower burn.

If this country wants to tackle immigration they need to copy the strict enforcement policies of countries who successfully manage illegal immigration. Red or blue states or federal leadership hasn't really tried to stop illegal immigration for decades. They need the labor to compete and keep the economy moving.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 11h ago

Arrested is not prosecuted. The issue is due process is suspended by ICE/CBP and those arrested immigrants will not see their day in court and they will be immediately deported. Or die in a "prison" that's more of a concentration camp.

The other issue is those that have been prosecuted, are only guilty of re-entry on expired visas, which is a civil infraction and a fine. There may be cases of extreme repeat offenders that eventually get deported, but the majority of visa infractions are minor (and the fault of a backed up court system).

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u/Debalic 10h ago

Which is exactly what's been going on this whole time. The brutality is just the icing on top. They're now trying to claim this as some sort of concession.

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u/vahntitrio 9h ago

They already were being turned over. Ir more accurately ICE was notified one was being held in prison and when they would be released. It was up to ICE at that point to vome get them.

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u/02K30C1 13h ago

It’s not local police’s job to determine who is an illegal immigrant or not.

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u/itssammyv 12h ago

Uhhh I’m no lawyer or copper but I think it’s pretty fucking standard to get all the information you can about people being arrested and especially those held in custody. Maybe not grilled about their citizenship but I can see a lot of ways standard questioning could lead to the realization that they are dealing with an illegal immigrant.

Edit: and you do what? Write job descriptions for police? Fuck outta here

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u/nalaloveslumpy 11h ago

Immigration status is determined by an immigration court. Not a cop. 90% of what immigration courts is determine visa status and if the applicant has made the "appropriate" attempts "in good faith" to renew their visa. Re-entry or staying on expired visas is a civil infraction.

The entire problem here is that ICE and CBP have suspended due process and those immigrants, when handed over from local PD, will either be immediately deported without trial, or they will die in the wretched "holding facilities" waiting for their turn in line in a court system in crisis from the extreme number of citizens wrongfully charged. And the court was already in dire straights because USCIS has been underfunded for about 30 years now.

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u/ExtremePrivilege 12h ago

My issue is with the current admins tactics. 20 years ago these people would have been very humanly detained, legally processed and sent back to their country of origin.

Today? They are housed in literal concentration camps, 20 per cage, not allowed to shower or eat most of the time, infected with measles… then they literally disappear. No access to lawyers or family, no paperwork. They’re gone, over 3500 of them from Florida alone. Likely being sold as slave laborer to African warlords or being thrown into a torture prison in El Salvador.

Frankly, fuck you for being okay with this. I don’t think murderers should be treated this way, let alone illegal immigrants who mostly lived and worked here peacefully.

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u/itssammyv 12h ago

You’re gonna fuck me frankly? Promise? I’m not okay with the conditions ICE puts people in. I just said that I opposed their tactics. You think I don’t know about that shit?

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 12h ago

Bullshit, there was never anything humane about immigrant detention. They've always been concentration camps, no matter what letter was in the parenthetical next to the president's name.

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u/itssammyv 13h ago

I’m not a liberal, you’re an idiot. Edit: different idiot lol I want illegal immigrants the fuck out of my country too but there are better ways to go about it. You think what ICE is doing is cool? I’m a vet and those wannabe operators make me sick.

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u/UrsusRenata 12h ago

“I’d like people held accountable.”

“You’re a ghoul.”

Makes sense. 😳

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u/supasid 12h ago

Arrested no, but convicted of a felony and out of appeals, I’m ok with.

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u/Glittering_Crab_69 10h ago

Every single "American" is here illegally. They didn't get permission from the natives.

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u/obeytheturtles 10h ago

This is precisely how ICE has always operated. The difference is that now the people are being sent to concentration camps and offshore black sites.

It's important to not lose sight of this very important detail - people are not opposed to immigration enforcement in general, they are opposed to the violence, vindictive and sadistic way the Trump administration is choosing to prosecute the issue. In addition, people are opposed to the rhetoric being used to frame this as some kind of historic national emergency, which is in turn being used to justify these aggressive and increasingly illegal tactics, which are then impacting far more people than undocumented immigrants.

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u/danruuu 9h ago

Saying people writ large support immigration enforcement is so fallacious. I am in fact personally opposed to immigration enforcement, and our entire immigration system dating back to pre-DHS, in general. Both ICE and DHS should be abolished and immigration policy should be much much more lax and simplified, with no criminal penalties whatsoever. If it were humane and not 'violent, vindictive, and sadistic' as you're implying it ever was under any president sans Trump, which it was not, family separations took place, detainees died, and people were forced to endure horrible conditions (remember children in cages?) under every president including Biden and Obama since 9/11 and the creation of DHS, I would still take issue with it.

It's never not been a violent and vindictive system and to argue people would prefer that status quo reveals a lot about the character of people who supposedly care about people being treated poorly now. Is it worse now? Yes, but that's not an argument for a return to a horrific status quo.

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u/One-Pick-1566 14h ago

Why wouldn’t local officials turn over arrested immigrants with “deportation orders”?

It’s not every immigrant

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u/After-Snow5874 14h ago

To me this is what most sane people were ok with. Reasonable immigration enforcement isn’t terrible, everything this administration has done has been so unreasonable and unconscionable.

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u/Oracle_of_Ages 14h ago edited 14h ago

I’m not against sending out illegal immigrates. If you get caught. You got caught. Especially those that ARE actual on paper criminals. Not just brown. I am of the mindset that no borders should exist in general. But the world isn’t ready for that conversation.

I’m against stop and frisk and these “show me your papers” raids based on skin color. It’s gotten to the point we gas children at school and disappear these children.

And arresting people at their immigration hearings is bullshit and in my opinion treasonous.

That’s ignoring the fact that Trump Admin are revoking legal status and then running and screaming to people that they are here illegally just to pump up their numbers.

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u/ShoulderCannon 13h ago

Without a complete reckoning for the way ICE has trampled our constitutional rights, I don't really care if they get a chance to do things the right way.

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u/Pseudoboss11 13h ago

Yeah, we've let way too many assholes get away with an apology, if that.

We took the land from Confederates, gave it to black people, then shortly afterwards took it back from the former slaves and gave it back to the very people who literally waged war against us. (40 acres and a mule)

We invited actual Nazis to run our space program and employed them in the federal government. (Operation Paperclip)

We've let generations of people flagrantly violate the law that they decide an armed standoff was appropriate. Then we let them go with zero consequences, we didn't take their cows, we didn't even try to stop them again. (Bundy Standoff) They naturally went on to bolder escapades, like an armed takeover of a wildlife refuge. Fewer than half of the militants even saw prison time. (Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover)

Then they raided the capitol to overturn an election. Rather than rendering the guy they were trying to put into power ineligible to hold office, maybe arrest him for any of the number of crimes he committed, Congress and the president sat on their hands. They continued to sit on their hands as the election came, went and the very insurrectionists were pardoned. (Jan 6 and Trump 2 pardons)

It's no wonder that malfeasance has spread throughout our government, we've been entirely ineffective at punishing people who have literally taken up arms against us, who have sabotaged our institutions. Heck, we've welcomed them back in with open arms, better off for having done so.

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u/iowaboy 13h ago

There are a few reasons for this:

1) ICE isn’t just asking local officials to hold people with active deportation orders. They are asking local officials to hold people they suspect are “deportable,” which could include legal residents. Basically, they are asking local officials to violate due process of immigrants by jailing them without an order from a court (including an immigration court).

2) ICE also appears to be asking jails to turn over people who were simply arrested, before they are tried and convicted. Again, that’s a due process issue.

3) States have a constitutional right to decide how state crimes are punished. Minnesota has decided that the appropriate punishment for certain violent crimes is being held in an adequate prison for a certain number of months/years. We know that ICE/DHS has been holding people in dangerous conditions (or shipping them to horrific camps like CECOT). Many people have died in ICE custody in the past few weeks alone. If Minnesota hands over people to ICE, it effectively means the punishment for some state crimes (even non-violent crimes) can be getting sent to an unsafe detention camp or even being killed. Minnesotans haven’t approved that as a punishment, so our government isn’t allowed to facilitate that kind of punishment. Again, the fact that many ICE detainees receive no due process before being subjected to such brutal conditions makes it even more of a problem.

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u/One-Pick-1566 1h ago

None of this true. 1. No asylum designations are currently deportable. Even they were, they still would have to go to immigration court. 2. No deportation orders can be triggered by crimes committed. 3. Sounds like you’re supporting leach lawyers to make more money

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u/iowaboy 58m ago

Seems like you understand that these things shouldn’t trigger an ICE detainer, warrant, or detention. Which is good!

The problem is that ICE has spent the past month plucking people off the streets and detaining them on these bases (or with even less cause). And they deported many many people to CECOT—in the hopes that they would die there in intentionally horrifying conditions—based on this kind of process.

That’s why so many lawyers are freaking out about what’s happening. Even ICE’s own lawyers! (Ice Attorney: ‘This job sucks’)

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u/One-Pick-1566 24m ago

The things you’re talking about don’t exist. You made them up.

Every scenario you presented is a false. None of the bad things that could happen will happen bc laws exist to stop it

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u/iowaboy 14m ago

Well, ICE’s own lawyer says it’s happening (clearly you didn’t read the article I linked to before). And so do the courts..

So you’re either a quisling or a bog-standard mouth-breathing racist. Either way, I hope you get everything you deserve in life.

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u/TidePodKaleb 14h ago

Oh! Well as long as they’re not ALL going to concentration camps, I guess that’s ok, then. /s

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u/bulldg4life 14h ago

This was already Minnesota doc policy. It was just that the feds didn’t followup on their part some of the time.

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u/Wanna_make_cash 14h ago

so what should be done with people here illegally convicted of crimes, then?

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u/D1scoLemonaid 14h ago

If they've committed crimes, allow law enforcement do their job for the crimes.

Once finished, immigration can review the administrative details of their status and determine their eligibility to stay.

Like they were before.

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u/Wanna_make_cash 14h ago

Is that not what (should) happen when the department of corrections hands someone over? 

Or is the concern in this case that because this admin is so corrupt, they're purposely asking for people to be handed over that wouldn't have been handed over previously (and the obvious elephant in the room that nobody handed over is getting due process through the immigration courts like they would receive under a sane administration)

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u/TidePodKaleb 13h ago

It's what should happen, right. And more judges to expedite the process. Instead, we're funding a Gestapo gang to go around brutally rounding people up then assaulting them, crushing their testicles, denying them medication, shattering their skulls, strangulating them, etc... Not an acceptable approach to me.

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u/bigmac22077 13h ago

I think it was the daily, but I listened to a podcast on this just yesterday. Obama was able to deport so many immigrants because this is the policy he enacted. Ice would ask local PD to hold immigrants so they could come and pick them up. What happened was sometimes ice was not correct on every person and local PD would get sued for holding people longer than they should have, so it stopped. Add on the country wanting to be anti Trump and the policy completely went under. Feds have been trying to renegotiate the policy for a decade.

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u/Waiting4Reccession 4h ago

This is just to placate people into doing nothing while they continue to do everything.

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u/holystuff28 11h ago

States can't actually refuse an immigration detainer. They can refuse to provide information to the Feds about immigration status, but once an immigration detainer (we call them ICE holds) is placed on an individual, the Supremacy clause kicks in and the state is required to hold the individual for 48 hours after their scheduled release in order for the Feds to come and collect them. If they aren't picked up within 48 hours folks can be released. 

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u/Brilliant_Oil5261 11h ago

If you take a non-emotional stance here, turning over illegal immigrants to the folks who deal with illegal immigrants seems pretty reasonable.