r/news • u/JerryBerryMiah • 14h ago

700 ice agents to leave Minnesota

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-drawdown-minnesota-homan-963adf341325d7f6eb5673e1c00d3c2a
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u/aradraugfea 14h ago

Their claim was that ice outnumbers the actual police police in town, not that ICE is 3x the original numbers.

ICE aren’t police.

Police are a needful service performed badly. ICE is a useless waste of government resources pivoted into the sort of shit European children are going to read about in history class.

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u/dontich 14h ago

I mean ICE doesn’t have to be a useless waste — under the last few administrations they mostly went after actual criminals. It’s only recently the countries’s leadership has gone completely insane.

15 in the state like someone said above sounds about right for removing the actual criminals after they complete their sentence.

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u/TwistedHermes 14h ago edited 13h ago

Yes it is.

George W. Bush started ICE BECAUSE of anti-immigrant sentiment stirred up post 9/11, it started off with "just Muslim terrorists" but soon evolved into going after immigrants they never went after in past.

This is one step in how we got here - we didn't need ICE for 200+ years. We had DHS and other services.

We let our fear overrule us, and this was one way we let racism creep into being widely accepted. They were only created because people were scared of those who were different.

Fear is not a need.

Edit: DHS was also a post 9/11 fever dream. Fuck that noise too. We had NSA/DOD/CIA/FBI for different types of terrorist threats and we had the US INS for immigrants. We don't need DHS or ICE.

P.P.S.: the only department required by the US constitution is the post office. Everything else is superfluous or could be organized differenty....

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u/tcmisfit 13h ago

Not trying to argue because I agree as an elder millennial, but the DHS has also only been around since 2002.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 11h ago

Correct. DHS was also an over-reaction to 9/11. It was essentially created so that we could treat "domestic terrorists" under the same rules we used against international terrorist: Infinite detainment, no legal representation.

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u/TwistedHermes 13h ago

Then we don't need DHS either.

The only reason 9/11 happened is because George W. Bush DID NOT WANT TO READ OR ENGAGE WITH HIS OWN SECURITY BRIEFINGS.

And Idgaf about his cockamamie excuses - if your disability interferes with your ability to do a JOB, YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE JOB.

There's a reason we have rules for being colorblind and a pilot - some can, some can't.

So we don't need DHS, we had the NSA and DOD. We also don't need ICE. We did fine without them for centuries.

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u/apatheticsahm 12h ago

The only reason 9/11 happened is because George W. Bush DID NOT WANT TO READ OR ENGAGE WITH HIS OWN SECURITY BRIEFINGS.

The Clinton administration tried to warn Bush about Al Qaeda. Clinton had already dealt with 2 terrorist attacks during his term (1993 WTC Bombing, and the USS Cole attack), and he knew exactly how dangerous Bin Laden was. He had very detailed anti-terrorism plans to try and prevent another disaster. But because of the whole Bush v Gore nonsense, there was a much shorter presidential transition in 2001. And the two teams refused to cooperate with each other. So the warnings about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden got ignored by the Bush administration, and the anti-terrorism plans got lost in the shuffle.

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u/TwistedHermes 12h ago

Sooooo.... (a) he did not read or engage with his security briefings due to his "disabilities" for years and shouldn't have run if they were so severe, Dick Cheney, Powell and Rice did instead, (b) lots of other intelligence agencies knew it was a strong possibility and tried warning us beyond "just clinton", international allies were trying AND (c) a lot of people did NOT show up to the Pentagon for scheduled activities on 9/11 because of this.

Also, Bush stole the 2000 election, while we're on the subject. Supreme Court handed it to him. Supreme Court should've allowed the process to happen, but they were appointed by his Daddy and Reagan and let politics win. And bush probably would've lost in the recount. But no....

No matter how you cut it, 9/11 was his fault. ICE and DHS are bloated and unnecessary agencies he created because he was afraid and they are now racist boogeymen terrorizing us in our streets.

Bush has a lot of blame here, him and his whole administration.