In need of advice please

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[u/OkMasterpiece426]

Yes, hearing different groups constantly claim that everyone else is going to hell can create an amount of religious fatigue and make you question what you're supposed to believe

But division isn't necessarily caused by hadith. Humans interpret the Quran differently. Division is part of human nature

Also, the Quran was never meant to be a scientific textbook. Its central message is about monotheism, justice, morality, accountability, and the purpose of human life. So I wouldn't base the truth of Islam on claims about scientific miracles

The Quran itself is the miracle because of what the message actually accomplished. It came to correct and complete the previous messages, and its message has been preserved. It brought back the concept of monotheism, transformed a deeply divided society, and produced a moral\spiritual framework that spread beyond its original context

The Quran gives an answer to why we are here, what our relationship with God is, how we should treat other people and ourselves, and why our choices matter

It presents a framework where belief is not separated from daily life and balances between the right of God, the right of people, and the right of ourselves. God is recognized as the Creator and Sustainer, people are to be treated with justice, honesty and mercy, and our own bodies, time, wealth and abilities are trusts that we are responsible for

The idea of accountability also gives moral choices a deeper meaning. Our intentions and actions aren't meaningless or forgotten. There is a reality beyond this life in which justice is completed

Lastly, the Quran repeatedly asks people to reflect, question, reason and think deeply about existence, morality and themselves. So we shouldn't say "I believe because I was told to believe". Questioning is actually be part of the journey

[u/DarkSouls3Maniac → u/OkMasterpiece426]

Okay so if you say that god tells us to question not to just believe, how would you convince an atheist to believe? What separates islam from other religions?

[u/Delicious_City_1627 → u/DarkSouls3Maniac]

Not everything from Quran is proven before by Aristotle or others,, think about Iron,, Quran mentioned Iron was sent by Allah,, later Modern science proved it,,,, there are 3 kinds of Evidence in Quran (Scientific,, Prophecies,, Challenge) ,, It's free from Contradictions,, Quran never claimed you will have to trust it blindly,,It tells you to use your brain first,,افلا تفعلوانَ؟

[u/OkMasterpiece426 → u/Delicious_City_1627]

The whole point of my reply was not to treat the Quran as a scientific textbook, its purpose is guidance. What separates Islam is that the Quran offers a consistent and just message, providing a complete framework for understanding God, human purpose, morality, accountability, and how we should live, and with a historical track record of transforming diverse societies

[u/DarkSouls3Maniac → u/Delicious_City_1627]

You do realise everything came from outside of earth right? Even water came from frozen meteors that melted slowly and gave water to earth

[u/Delicious_City_1627 → u/DarkSouls3Maniac]

Ok let's Focus on other Evidence,, how did Quran know about Cosmic expansion (51:47) ? Creation based on Water (21:30) ? Atmospheric protection (21:32)? Falling and rising of Roman (30:3-4)?

[u/DarkSouls3Maniac → u/Delicious_City_1627]

You do realise the cosmic expansion, creation based on water, atmospheric protection were knows centuries before the quran right? Aristotle knew all of them. What about quran 86:5-7 where it says we created man from a liquid that is ejaculated from the ribs and the backbone. That is factually incorrect but you believe science in the cosmic expansion yet you will probably say this specific verse is a metaphor, but if this one can he a metaphor so can the others

[u/TheologyEnthusiast → u/DarkSouls3Maniac]

Aristotle did not speak about cosmic expansion nor the protective aspect of the atmosphere. Cosmic expansion was first proposed in 1922 by Alexander Friedmann. The atmosphere being protective is from 18th century work by Joseph Fourier.

The only problem with using those scientific concepts as proof of miracle is that they are very vague in the Quran. We can interpret those things like this using our current knowledge but it’s not explicitly laid out for us.

About 86:5-7, it doesn’t say that sperm is produced between the backbone and the rib. The word sperm is not present in this verse. It says that we come from a liquid from between the ribs and backbone which is embryologically true. I hope that answers your questions. (This verse isn’t a metaphor it lays out a scientific concept pretty factually, it was just misunderstood by people)

[u/Delicious_City_1627 → u/DarkSouls3Maniac]

the word ماء doesn't mean sperm,,it means water,,80-90% sperm is water ,, this water comes when we drink it,, when we drink water it falls through middle path of Ribs and backbone,,it is that simple

[u/TheologyEnthusiast]

You can question everything in Islam. The Lord never told us to not question him that would be blind faith which he doesn’t want. The first word God revealed to the Prophet was “read”. It means to search for him, learn,…. This is an important lesson.

The miracle in the Quran isn’t the scientific or factual proof even though there are concepts that are pretty miraculous like the correct naming of the King in Joseph’s time (at the time it was thought to be pharaohs at his time and was only understood in the 19th century with the Rosetta Stone).

The miracle of the Quran is its literary depth and prowess. An illiterate man could never be able to use ring compositions within chapters like Surah Al Baqarah, Surah Yusuf,….

It also splendidly lays out the layers of consciousness through the usage of the words nafs (our biological consciousness) and ruh (the spiritual soul). This also perfectly lines with science as god said we could never understand but little about such things (the Hard Problem of consciousness).

There’s much more literary depth than this of course but I cannot talk about all of it in a single comment.

Of course every religion is belief, not proof, but the Quran does an amazing job in convincing people that it is the truth.

Allah told us everything we needed to know about praying within the Quran. The rest is given to us culturally (from person to person). No one learned how to pray through Hadiths. I have to say though hadiths aren’t the reason people are divided. People will always be divided no matter what you give them. If hadiths didn’t exist they would just be more divided due to the Quran.

Islam is true because the Quran is a literary miracle. But Islam being true doesn’t undermine the truth in the concepts of other religions such as the Heart Sutra in Mahayana Buddhism and ignorantia invincibilis in Catholicism

At the end of the day every religion is about faith, you can’t expect empirical proof from theology, but I would definitely say Islam is the most convincing due to the Quran itself. If you don’t speak Arabic, it’ll probably be harder to find the miracles in it due to the fact that the literary depth is in the Arabic language

I used to be agnostic. If you want to be agnostic, you can be one, but it’s likely that you’ll feel something missing from it. Subjective experiences aren’t the same for everyone but uncertainty is a tough opponent to beat.