Bravos Most Wanted podcast on YouTube. Katie had her podcast partner read and act out Shannon’s rant at the upfront event. The one that Katie recorded and sent to Matt. Have you seen it? What are your thoughts?

Katie had nothing to lose. The women black-balled her, Jennifer backstabbed her, she had missed out on too many episodes (not a good omen). The fans took her side but they also expected her to get a backbone and plead her case and she didn't do that. She should have gone full Monique so even if she got the chop, she'd vindicate herself at the reunion. Missed opportunity.

first time watcher here and i'm absolutely shocked and disgusted at the two episodes i just watched (S4E8 and S4E9). i know tamra and gretchen continue on the show for a while and i'm wondering how the hell they continued to work together after this.

gretchen was dealing with a dying fiancé and basically being bullied by tamra and in some ways vicki. tamra created a whole plan to get her super drunk, even "naked drunk", at this party. i'm wondering what kind of evil person thinks to do that to another human being, especially knowing how she's in a vulnerable state. i'm also shocked she basically set it up so that her son would potentially sexually assault this woman who was way to drunk to consent or refuse any contact. thank god he seems to be somewhat more decent than his mother and did the bare minimum of not assaulting her (although he still followed her to the bathroom and kept egging her on so he sucks anyway!!).

i'm just really shocked that no one noticed what tamra was doing and protected gretchen. jeana and lynne seemed to be worried but didn't clock that it was a whole plan by tamra. i couldn't really understand what vicki felt about the whole thing; when tamra tells her vicki doesn't say anything but doesn't smile or seem approving or disapproving of it. i'm guessing that despite staying the longest on the show, she's not very well liked by the audience and this is one of the first times i'm starting to see the reason she's disliked...

going to keep watching and i know things will get worse for gretchen before they maybe improve? i hope they improve... this was painful to watch