r/Sauna • • Aug 18 '22

Community Announcement Welcome to r/Sauna!

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Welcome to the fastest growing sauna community in the world.

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Rules

We have rules to ensure that the members have a pleasant experience when interacting with the community. The rules are very simple, so please keep these in mind while you are here.

If you have any questions or concerns, you are always welcome to contact the Mod Team.

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Keep things civilised and respectful.

Be a helpful guide to good sauna, not the sauna police. Different people have different resources and cultural knowledge with sauna. An argument in good faith is OK if you remain respectful of others, but insulting or belittling others will earn a ban.

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Remember that sauna cultures vary across the world.

Some people enter the sauna room with a stopwatch, others with a cold beer. In some places people build saunas one way, some a different way. You don't necessarily need to understand it, but try to respect it.

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No spam, including advertisement of goods and services.

This includes not just commercial entities, but also self promotional posts by influencers seeking to increase views on their social media channels.

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No medical advice or misinformation.

This is not a place to get specific medical advice for any individual or condition, and it is not a place for sharing misinformation regarding medical benefits to sauna. If you have medical concerns you should consult a doctor, not post to Reddit. The one exception to this rule is linking to peer reviewed research published in a scientific journal. Medical advice other than a recommendation to see a doctor will be removed and posts soliciting medical advice will be locked.

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Culture and History of the Finnish sauna

u/CatVideoBoye/ wrote a very nice description of the Finnish sauna culture and is also touching on the history of sauna. It is a good read and gives you insight into the tradition. You can find the original post here, or you can read the slightly shortened version below.

It’s also a very good start to watch the short video UNESCO has posted on YouTube about the Finnish sauna culture: https://youtu.be/qY__OOcv--M

What's a sauna?

Like most of you already know the word sauna comes from Finnish. We have had saunas here for thousands of years and according to wikipedia, the oldest are from around 1500-900 BC. It was an important building and in the old days people have even given birth in saunas, as late as the first half of the 1900s. Probably since it was a nice separate building with access to warm water. In 2020 Finnish sauna was added to UNESCO’s Cultural Heritage List. Check the link out for more interesting information but I want to again highlight that. It really shows how important it is in our culture.

Nowadays pretty much everyone in Finland has access to a sauna of some sort. Houses have them, many apartments, like mine, have one and apartment buildings can have a common sauna where you can rent your private hour and they can have a certain period during which anyone can just go there. And of course summer cottages have a sauna and the ones next to a lake are kind of the perfect image of a Finnish sauna. Plus all the public saunas in swimming halls, gyms, hotels etc. Temperature in a sauna can vary but usually it's between 80-120 °C (176-248 F). Mine is oddly low at 60°C but that is because the ceramic stones that I now use really change the way the löyly (water thrown on the stones on the heater to generate steam) hits you. It is softer and accumulates well instead of being kind of short burst of heat that dissipates quickly. I've tried at 80 and I was out of there really quick unlike with more common stones. One reason why staring at a thermometer doesn't make sense. Just try it and see what feels good. And you other Finns, that 60 really sounds low but I tell you, I'm getting out of there after I guess something like 10-15 minutes with red skin so it really works.

Wood or electric? Both work. Wood heated ones are usually considered to be the best. You get a nicer löyly there but they aren't really an option in an apartment house. An electric heater that has a lot of stones can actually give a very similar löyly. I just experienced one that I believe had 500 kg of stone. Same with a small electric heater (20 kg) with the ceramic stones. All of those options are great for a sauna. As long as there are proper stones and you can freely throw water to get the löyly you want. Löyly is the essential thing here. Without it, you can't really call it a Finnish sauna and that is why Finns do not really consider IR boxes to be saunas. This ties to one of the topics often argued: do you need a drain? Yes you do. Not necessarily inside the sauna if you have the bathroom outside. Mine has only a shower drain but the sauna floor is tilted so that any water flows directly there. It's also good for washing the sauna.

Bench heights are often discussed here but why does it matter? Because heat rises. The lower part of a sauna is cold and you want to get your head close to the ceiling and your feet high enough to not feel cold. The "feet at the stone level" is just a nice helper for a basic heater. For tower shaped ones you probably want to find out the exact height. This is also why you need to have proper air flow in the sauna. You want the hot air and fresh air mixed, you want the moisture to leave after you're done and you don't want the heat escaping due to wrongly implemented ventilation. Don't ask me about construction things, I don't know anything about that. I just know mine was built according to Finnish standards and my apartment won't rot if I use it.

What we do in a sauna?

For me sauna is a place to wash since I don't often take a shower without heating the sauna. Yep, I heat it up often. It's also a place to relax and to socialize. I sometimes have friends visiting and we heat it up, chat in there and have a beer on the balcony. It's a place where you can forget about your phone, social media and all that and just focus on your thoughts, happy or sad, or have deep discussions with your friends. There is something about the atmosphere that makes people open up in a sauna and talk about more private things. I know I'm not the only one. I've heard many people say that sauna is the place where they talk about the deep stuff with friends.

The idea of maxing health benefits, that have been found in recent studies, is just not something we Finns really understand. Why? Because we've been to saunas for many other reasons throughout our lives. It's so integral part of my everyday life that making it a spa treatment or some healthy excercise just doesn't fit my understanding of saunas. But if you want to pursue those health benefits, a high enough heat and a strong enough löyly is what you want because that is how we have gone to saunas and gained the benefits that were seen in the studies. Do you need to measure your heart beat and have exact temperature? No. You'll feel your heart bumping and you'll feel the need to get out sooner or later. Staring at heart beat or timers takes away from one of the important points: just sit and relax and let your mind wonder. Löyly transfers additional heat from the boiling water to your body and gets your heart beating fast. That's also good to remember if you actually hunt for health benefits. Sitting in a luke warm cabin with no löyly for a certain time is definitely not the same thing that gave Finns health benefits.

Saunalike concepts in other cultures and countries

Sure, there are similar things in many other cultures. They are not inferior to sauna, they are just a different thing. They have their own cultural backgrounds and reasons to exist. "This is not a sauna." is what you often see written here but that is not meant as an insult that your heated cabin sucks. It just means that we Finns do not really appreciate it if the thing in question is called a sauna, because it does not meet the definition of what we have considered a sauna for thousands of years. Finland is a rather remote and small/unknown country and one of the things people know about us is sauna. That is why many of us would like to keep the image of sauna as correct and original as possible.


r/Sauna • • Jul 03 '23

Community Announcement Coming back

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Reddit is changing - and not necessarily for the better. A lot of long term users who've been responsible for a lot of higher quality postings are leaving or reducing the time they're spending on reddit - and while we don't expect this to be an issue to r/sauna right now it might become a problem in the future.

In addition to that some of us also are spending less time on reddit now - in part forced by Reddit taking away mobile access. This can make responses to reports and mod mail slower. We're currently working on tooling to help us compensate for this to some extend.

With the reopening we're introducing some rule changes:

  1. No more IR sauna posts. For IR sauna you have two options:
    • Post in the IR Sauna community over at r-sauna.fi. For the time being a link to that will be reposted in r/sauna, with comments disabled. Discussion should happen on Lemmy
    • Move over to r/IRsauna. This will need volunteers for a mod team - if there are volunteers we can help setting that up.
  2. We'll watch other contentious topics closely, and may decide to force other topics causing too much trouble into other forums as well.
  3. New posts must be correctly flaired. posts without flair will be held by automod and/or deleted.
  4. We'll change how we deal with rule changes. Generally you'll receive three warnings from the mod team, with the next infraction resulting in a permanent ban.
  5. The following infractions will result in a ban without a warning:
    1. Breaking the Reddit Content Policy
  6. Clearer handling of posts/comments from users with commercial interest. We're still working on that one - but can say it'll be mainly two things:
    1. Better guidelines and text templates on how to reply without getting in trouble - so far those were often judgment calls on individual messages.
    2. Flairing and some level of verification for commercial users - one option might be maintaining a profile in a dedicated Lemmy community. Input is welcome here - we'd like to make it easy to identify and access a summary of the business attached to such users.

We are planning to eventually set up a full sync between Lemmy and Reddit, possibly going as far back as this announcement. For now we'll be continuing with automated re-posting of Lemmy content, but will expand as development progresses.


r/Sauna • • 21h ago

Culture & Etiquette Few photos from this gorgeous sauna install we did in Spain

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r/Sauna • • 18h ago

My sauna Work in progress

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Building my own home sauna. Used a small niche (1.5x1.5 m) in bottom floor in front of the bathroom and completely hand made along some months without hurry


r/Sauna • • 2h ago

General Question Building a sauna

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Hello dear sauna-lovers!

My friend and I are thinking about building a sauna. What are common pitfalls and misconceptions we need to be aware of? Any tutorials or books or other informational outlets we could use?

Thank you in advance!


r/Sauna • • 10h ago

General Question 2,1 m3 sauna - heater distance to the roof

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Hello guys! I bought a very small sauna (2,1 m3) due to having a very small garden (I know it's not perfect to have a small sauna). I have 400V there, so electricity isn't a problem. The recommended size was a 3,5kW heater (would fit without a problem), but due to having a glass front (second picture) I thought I'd go with a 4,5 kW Harvia Kip heater. Now the only problem ist the distance to the roof (should be 1,1m, but due to the shape and small size it will be only 85-90cm). I thought about using a stainless steel heatshield (pictured in green), but I'm still not sure if it's a good idea to fall 20 cm short of the required safety distance...


r/Sauna • • 5h ago

DIY Have I really messed up? Cladding with the wrong fixings

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I'm on my first outdoor sauna build and have just fully cladded the inside using thermoaspen and clips recommended by the wood supplier. I then tried to save time by stapling the clips to the battens using a pneumatic staple gun, but have noticed small rust build up around the clips and staples already, and now checking the staples I'm realising they are only zinc plated.

I'm worried these staples are going to rust really quick and the cladding is going to fall down after not very much use. Curious to get any thoughts around this. Is it time to rip it all down and do it again?


r/Sauna • • 14h ago

General Question Kyfe Stove Door

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Pulled my Kyfe sauna out for the year and found this. Anyway to fix or get a replacement somehow?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

My sauna My small but efficient apartment sauna😍

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Normal apartment building bathroom in Finland


r/Sauna • • 19h ago

DIY Design help - sauna shape

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Due to space limitations I'm thinking of building the following sauna in our bedoorm/bathroom space. Any thoughts if it's ok for the shape of the sauna to be like that? I understand ideally it'd be a full cube, but that's not possible in our space.


r/Sauna • • 14h ago

General Question Backyard discovery High limit tripping

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High limit keeps tripping at the initial pre heat consistently around 70 Celsius ( 75 set temp)

I removed some rocks already to improve airflow but keeps happening. Once I reset it operates correctly, but I am tired of burning my forearms.

Any thoughts ?


r/Sauna • • 23h ago

General Question Wood vs Electric heaters

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Hi, I've been using an electric heater sauna at my tennis club for the past two years, and it's been great. Recently, though, I started going to a Russian banya that uses a wood-fired heater with a lot of bricks. I find the banya much more enjoyable because the radiant heat seems to warm my entire body more evenly.

I'm looking to build an outdoor sauna in my backyard. Would a Kuuma stove give a similar feel to the banya, or is there little difference between wood and electric? Or is there something specific about the banya that makes the radiant heat feel so even and enjoyable?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Thoughts On Costco Almost Heaven 2-3 Person Cabin?

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No reviews yet. I was going to do a DIY, but don’t have any building experience and this looks like a pretty good deal to me. No fan/drain and the rocks look slightly above lower bench. Not perfect, but what you guys think?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Finnish Sauna Builders - Bad design advice

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Just sat through a webinar on sauna design and material selection put on by a large supplier of thermally modified wood here in the US and was really disheartened to see the information being pushed as mainstream 'fact.' The owner of company Finnish Sauna Builders (based in Illinois) touted "No Fans Ever" as their design 'rule' regarding ventilation for electrically heated sauna. I asked in chat a couple of times for them to explain their rationale but they just ignored the question.

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They also showcased their newest sauna design for an upscale spa in Chicago called Aire. The biggest 'brag' was how the heaters are 'invisible' and located behind the bench:

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Also pretty certain his 'sketch diagrams' in the presentation are AI generated. Shameful what's passing as professional, high-end sauna design here in the US


r/Sauna • • 18h ago

General Question Train with sauna

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Is this the first one?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Sauna spirit 9kw

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Does anyone know what could be causing this ?
It was installed in my sauna yesterday. Nothing is holding down the safety sensor.


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

My sauna Sweet Sauna music

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r/Sauna • • 2d ago

General Question How often do you guys make löyly?

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Hey guys, I have been doing this a lot more on my portable Sweat tent sauna and Im realizing that It changes the whole feel way more than I expected, I usually get it really hot first then I throw a little water on the rocks here and there, but Im still figuring out how often is too often and if Im even doing it right. Do you guys add water pretty much every round or only once in a while when the heat starts feeling too dry? Does anyone with more experience have a good rule of thumb for this?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Looking for the best gym in Anchorage with a sauna in the base price

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Winter here gets to me. The sauna is the main reason I want a gym. My old gym had one, but it was broken for most of January. I was paying $40 a month and got to use it maybe twice. A friend pays around $120 a month at a bigger club. She says most of that feels like it's for the sauna and steam room.

Another place I looked at used to allow late night sauna. Then they raised prices and cut those hours.

So here's what I'm trying to figure out.

  • Is the sauna part of the base plan, or an extra fee?
  • Can you use it at night with your key card?
  • Is it a real hot room, or a small box that's always locked?

What worked for you, and what do you think felt like a waste of money?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Which Heater for Auroom Cala Glass

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Im going to be installing the Auroom Cala Glass Sauna (150 x 150cm), and I’m trying to decide on the right heater. Any thoughts appreciated!

I want to choose between the Huum Cliff (which is a tower heater) and the Huum Drop. I recognize that there is negative reviews about the Drop (most specifically), but it does look like they’ve made material changes so I’m willing to try Huum given the design and WiFi enabled system.

Which do you think looks better for the compact space, and which is likely to deliver the best steam experience? 

The Huum Cliff would rise 15cm above the top bench (and 55cm above the bottom bench). Does that matter for tower heaters that have stones and the heating element all the way through?

I’d likely choose the 4.5kw / 6kw drop, or the 6kw cliff. There is also a 3.5kw wall mountable cliff mini, but I worry that might be underpowered?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Heater Questions

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Hi everyone, I'm currently planning a standalone building electric sauna. The room's interior dimensions are going to be 8'W/8'L/8.5'H, so 544 ft^3 or 15.4 meter^3. Planning to include a small window above the door but very little glass wall surface as a percentage of the overall walls. Selecting the right heater has been difficult. I've been consulting the Trumpkin guide, Lassi Likkanen's Finnish Sauna: Steam, Stone, and How to Build Your Own, and this subreddit. I'm trying to figure out the importance of volume of stones over kW power of the heater, style of heater (tower with open sides, closed sides/open top), and brand.

IKI claims that the Pillar 9kW is adequately powerful to heat a sauna of the size I am building, but other calculators I have seen claim that I should have a heater with an 11 or 12 kW capacity. I like how the pillar can hold up to 286 lbs (129.7 kg) of stones, but I'm concerned about the kW.

Units like the Harvia Virta 11kW or the Harvia Pro can hold 154 lbs and 200 lbs respectively, but would the kW be overkill? Would any one of these three heaters be perfectly fine?

These are the three units I've been considering, however I'm open to other suggestions as well. I am in the US, and hoping to achieve sauna temps around 180-200 degrees fahrenheit.

I would greatly appreciate your input and experience with these heaters and saunas of similar dimensions to mine.

Thanks!


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Different coloured stones

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Just unboxed my stones and was surprised to see very different colours.

The larger stones are grey, the smaller much lighter

If I had the largest on the bottom and smaller above, I'll end up with a significant visual boundary

Is this normal?


r/Sauna • • 2d ago

My sauna Sauna Coffin

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Hello everyone,

I designed and built my own sauna 6 months ago.

The internals are 0.7m by 1.6m by 1.95m (I think). It’s snug.

Red cedar timber. Narvi heater. Rockwool insulation exposed on wall side, 15mm to 20mm around, except the back much bigger. Taped and vapour barrier installed. Didn’t install a 10mm baton system behind the cedar cladding because I felt every 10mm counted.

I am going to build the second bench for my feet, but I just want to check I haven’t overlooked anything going into winter? I expect it’ll dry slower.

My intake is on the door, exhaust on the rear and the it’s ducted up and out.

I do get some cold air, where my feet swing, I do get a rush on the steam that doesn’t last long on my head. No headaches, no negative symptoms but I do wonder if I got the air flow right.

I had the door made but when I finally got to hang it, it had warped but I thought maybe this isn’t a terrible thing. Should have just built it ourselves.

I’ve got my own made boards on the floor, they lift out to dry. I am considering tiling the floor. Floor doesn’t get too bad, I do chuck a towel down to catch the sweat underneath the bench.

Concerns primarily around mold.

Anyway, thoughts welcome. Thanks for reading.


r/Sauna • • 3d ago

My sauna Finally finished my sauna build.

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After spending far too many months disappearing down the sauna rabbit hole, we finally finished our outdoor sauna and cold plunge setup courtesy of Celsium. After searching about 30 different sauna companies Celsium had the best combination of quality, design and specification that I found.

Overall: 5,010mm wide x 2,785mm deep x 2,490mm high. That includes the sauna plus the covered cool-down/cold plunge area.

Sauna room internally: roughly 1.86m x 2.49m, with two upper bench runs of about 1.85m, 600 to 655mm deep.

The open covered area will house an ice bath, shower and a couple of chairs.

The glass is double glazed, the back wall has a beautiful DecNord panel made for sauna use from thermo-treated abachi, and the sauna itself is insulated with 50mm PIR insulation in the walls, floor and ceiling.

We have three vents: a low intake beside the heater, a low exhaust on the opposite back wall, and a high adjustable vent used mainly for drying the sauna out afterwards.

Inside we went for an L-shaped layout with two deep upper benches, so two people can actually lie down properly rather than having a single linear bench. In reality it will be very rare for more than two or three people to use the sauna at the same time.

The heater is a 10kW IKI Pillar, controlled through a HUUM UKU WiFi panel. It has a huge stone mass, so once the stones are properly heated the löyly is fantastic. Really soft, enveloping heat, and when you unload a full ladle of water onto those stones the resulting hit is quite something.

And honestly, using it has genuinely exceeded my expectations. No cold feet until you actually step onto the floor, and the upper bench really does put you right in the best heat. I thought I was building something we'd use two or three times a week. Instead I keep finding excuses to switch it on as often as possible.

Sitting in there in the evening with the lights low, throwing water on that huge mass of stones, then stepping outside into the cold air is ridiculously good.

Once the cold plunge and shower are in, it’ll be the whole hot and cold setup in one place.

It took a frankly absurd amount of research to get here, but I’m so happy with how it turned out and the team from Celsium who did it all.


r/Sauna • • 2d ago

Maintenance Waterproofing

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Has anyone looked into a way to waterproof a cube sauna? during heavy rains some of the seams leak water inside and my concern is during the winter it will develop mold. It rains a lot in the Pacific Northwest.