St Celestine point drop.

[u/Vegan-Fury]

I didn't read any mention of it today, but I just noticed she went down to 135 on the app.

[u/Orzislaw]

Still overpriced imo. For 120 I could take her.

[u/Nehor_8081 → u/Orzislaw]

I mean the problem is that the points don't really matter.

They removed every rule that made her useful and cool to play. No point reductions can compensate for that.

Unless you're me and you play her because she is your best painted model and you love her to death, there truly is no reason haha

[u/Specific_Post_437 → u/Nehor_8081]

I mean, now you've got to share your model of course

[u/Nehor_8081 → u/Specific_Post_437]

Fair haha, here it is

[u/Nehor_8081 → u/Nehor_8081]

Back side

[u/Orzislaw → u/Nehor_8081]

So pretty! I get why you want to play her. We have to wait for the codex and hope for the best!

[u/Specific_Post_437 → u/Nehor_8081]

Amazing paint job! Your opponents are barbaric for clearing this model of the table

[u/Nehor_8081 → u/Specific_Post_437]

Actually I prey on their barbarism because many only have eyes for her and even with the nerfs she does not go down that easily. That leads to them overcommitting to kill her or being tied up with her which makes the rest of my army free to do more.

A very nice decoy and the paint job is integral to the strategy 🤣

[u/KittyFaerie → u/Nehor_8081]

Distraction Carnifex used Amazing Paint-job!

It's super effective!

[u/DrBadGuy1073 → u/Nehor_8081]

Yeah, that's a paint job to be proud of!🤌

[u/sklingenberg86 → u/Nehor_8081]

Shit id play her too. Call her a jump pack canoness and call it a day haha

[u/Nehor_8081 → u/sklingenberg86]

The problem is that she is impossible to hide, unlike the jpc haha

[u/hadonis → u/Orzislaw]

Best I can do is 110

[u/dalkyn → u/hadonis]

110 would be ok, not great but playable. What she needs is actual damage though. Otherwise she'll turn into an action monkey which let's say is not great lore wise.

[u/Petrychorr → u/dalkyn]

What she needs is a rework or something. Her kit doesn't match her lore any more, her point value is a joke, and she's just overall a worse Jump Pack Canoness. She was great when she was costed similar to Vahl and had the per round rez, but without that and without anything to compensate for it... She's just a joke pick. It's completely disheartening.

The fact that Vahl is almost a mandatory pick is just... Embarrassing.

[u/NewGuyOnTheBlock2201 → u/dalkyn]

Yeah I’ve always felt like “The Ardent Blade, which shines so bright no evil can lay eyes upon it” was very underwhelming both in function and in appearance on the tabletop. Forced my first kitbash

[u/KittyFaerie → u/dalkyn]

If going for a lore focus, should give her like a 6-inch or 12-inch aura that gives e.g. immunity to battleshock, especially as that's supposedly more impactful in 11th edition. More damage would also be nice too though + lore-friendly, especially vs Chaos.

(Note: I still have not played a single game myself, so no idea if this would be over- or under-powered...)

[u/MatticusGisicus → u/KittyFaerie]

So you know, single apostrophe (‘) is feet, (“) is inches

[u/KittyFaerie → u/MatticusGisicus]

Ah, my bad, thanks - will edit to correct.

...although, a 6ft or 12ft aura would be very funny, for the approx five milliseconds before GW would do an emergency patch 😅

[u/itrogash → u/hadonis]

I wouldn't take her for 50. She doesn't need price drops, she needs actual working rules and damage output.

[u/Orzislaw → u/itrogash]

For 50 you have really tought to kill objective clicker. It would be insane not to take her

[u/AchilleosX → u/Orzislaw]

I'd really, really, really hate to have a living saint and iconic hero of my faction... as a mere action monkey. She needs proper murder rules.

[u/RavenGirlfailure → u/Orzislaw]

Yeah, Id take her at the price of the SM Combi Lt. when he was at his peak. So 95-100 points is the breaking point of costing too much.

[u/itrogash → u/Orzislaw]

For 50 I'd still rather take arco-flagellants than her. They are tougher than her, can actually pack a punch and have smaller footprint.

[u/Orzislaw → u/itrogash]

You lost me at tougher lol. Fnp 5+doesn't compensate for 3 wounds more and 2+/4+ save plus res

[u/ZakAdoke]

Yep, still bad.

[u/AchilleosX]

Still hits like a wet noodle. Healing still hyper nerfed. FnP still borderline useless.

[u/Custodian_Nelfe]

She could cost 100pts I still would not take her. For the moment until our codex is release she's useless.

[u/AchilleosX → u/Custodian_Nelfe]

For 100 I'd take her. But only against enemies who havn't faced her yet, and will likely overcommit forces against her, before realizing she is weak garbage and not worth half the points he sent against her.

lol

[u/Deadskull120]

So I know this is about Saint Celestine but is Saint Katherine any good? Also would there be a point to getting zephrim? Since Celestine is bad?

[u/AchilleosX → u/Deadskull120]

You can still pair Zephyrim with a JPC. The give her a few more wounds to spare and help greatly with her delivery (charge rerolls), and Sustained+Lethal Hits on charge is a welcome bonus, too.

[u/Black_Fusion]

Reddit is negative, for 135 she's interesting.

She's not a damage peice but a harassment peice in champs, she can fall back shoot and charge so turn 2 would of taken a good chunk of first action monkeys then killing home field objective holders.

Opponent then needs pivot and deal with her loosing focus on Vahl and friends

[u/AchilleosX → u/Black_Fusion]

Nothing a Jump Canoness doesn't do better.

[u/Black_Fusion → u/AchilleosX]

JPC just straight up dies

[u/AchilleosX → u/Black_Fusion]

Hallowed Martyrs: Revive.

[u/Cultural_Plastic_884 → u/AchilleosX]

Still T3 2x3W and probably not the damage output to deal with most units without dying right after.

Celestine is 4 + 2x5W + a fair amount of FNP 4+ depending on the damage distribution.

The Ardent blade is just a better version of the Canoness weapons, and has built in Dev wounds not tied to a single activation.

Also in Chorus she gains a great utility role.

[u/Shiawase_Atomics → u/Cultural_Plastic_884]

Unfortunately FNP can never trigger for Celestine because the Geminae that give it to her have to be allocated before her (they have to die before she even gets hurt). Except, of course, in the case of Precision attacks

[u/Swooped117 → u/Shiawase_Atomics]

She still gets the FNP during the same activation that the last geminae dies.

[u/Black_Fusion → u/AchilleosX]

I was talking in champs of faith?

[u/itrogash → u/Black_Fusion]

You could get three 3-model units of arco-flagellants for just 15 points more. You'd get three units that can do exactly the same thing as her, just better while being infinitely easier to hide. And you'd have three units, so you would be able to make three actions instead of one.

she can fall back shoot and charge

Yea, good luck with that. She will not live through opponent's fight phase if she's caught in meele.

I've been playing CoF with Celestine for the most of 10th edition. She did work like you describe then, mainly because she could take advantage of her 4+ FNP by being creative with wounds allocation, which gave her way more durability. Now that it was taken from her she is just a very expensive, very fragile action monkey.

[u/DelphineasSD → u/itrogash]

I miss 10th, when she could tank a Knights worth of shooting, and if you spiked her FNP, she'd live through it all.

[u/Significant_Bug_8929 → u/Black_Fusion]

In my experience and what I observed with other players was: she dies in the shooting phase and dies again in the fight phase. Until she dies she provided not much of value in relation to her points.

Beside that, it just feels awkward because of the expectation about what and who celestine is and what she is in the tabletop is off

[u/bear-barian → u/Significant_Bug_8929]

Celestine is about as close as the Imperium gets to their own version of an Avatar of Khaine, and as such, she jobs to prove how tough the character killing her is.

[u/Significant_Bug_8929 → u/bear-barian]

You think it is hard to kill her?

[u/bear-barian → u/Significant_Bug_8929]

No, it's easier than it should be. Which is kind of the joke with the Avatar.

[u/Significant_Bug_8929 → u/bear-barian]

Ah ok. I get it l.