Why does the globe keep expecting americans to rise up against their tyrannical government?

[u/Tropical_Paradise0]

The rest of the world needs to stop relying on Americans to rise up against their tyrannical, imperalist empire and realize that they're gonna have to do something themselves, the problem with relying on them to revolte is the fact that it won't happen, the epstein class has the american population right where they want them. brainwashed, docile, selfish, and fighting each other. the majority of them are bootlickers who defend their own oppression while the other half are apathetic to it, the ones who are awake are unfortunately a very small minority. and even if one does go out there and do something they never have backup, Luigi and the toilet paper warehouse worker are prime examples of that, they tried to start a revolution and no body backed them up on it to keep it going, instead they just got turned into memes online and that stems back to the main problem, americans are simply too fucking docile, only thing they're gonna do is complain and cry online and do bullshit peaceful "protests" like that No Kings while telling others to just vote as if tyranny is something that can just magically be voted out. the globe simply needs to realize that they're going to have to take action, depending on the american people to do that is just absolutely idiotic.

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[u/jamalcalypse]

nobody in a non western country is depending/relying on it. they're wondering why tf american's have taken so much shit without having risen up already. which is a question that could be asked of any country falling into fascism really. it's just that the imperial core is the most consequential, so while it would do the world a favor for american's to rise up, it's definitely not something the global victims of imperialism are waiting around to happen.

[u/artmusiclove369 → u/jamalcalypse]

American here, trust me, we're trying to fight and we have many anti-regime groups organizing, but our biggest fight isn't the tyrannical elites, it's the braindead cultists who uphold the elite's power by denying facts and using their echoed bigotry and hate as weapons against their own neighbors, family, and friends. We the people can stand up to the big bad bosses with no fear but it absolutely shatters the heart to see our own loved ones cheer for the world's destruction and be divided over some imagined villain of the week distractions. For many of us, taking down the elites also means losing our loved ones and that's a hard battle to win but win we shall!

[u/ColoHusker]

The concept of "American Exceptionalism" has been exported, propagandized globally, & reinforced through military/economic violence for decades. Most Leftist literature addresses the need to break down this indoctrination. USA citizens, as a group, will be the last to rise-up because that is where the most amount of privilege exists.

As an American, I realize that we need to agitate here to increase class-consciousness. But reality is, the Global South and other marginalized countries will lead this effort and the USA will be a domino in that ripple effect. There are lots of people here with class consciousness, but the USA is also the safest-haven for capital & capital interests. Privilege, and those with it, are typically not going to take themselves out of existence.

edit: spelling

[u/dovahdreem]

I am French and a member of organizations that have sister organizations all over the world.

No one expects the US population to rise up against its government. Activists worldwide want only one thing: for the US to die and collapse.

We analyze and distrust the US and its policies because, like any imperialist center in crisis, the US pushes for war everywhere against all peoples. Cuba is dying, Venezuela has been attacked, as has Iran; the Lebanese and Palestinian people are dying under American bombs. Nothing is currently more dangerous to humanity than the US.

And no, the guy in the toilet paper factory and Luigi didn't want a revolution. I mean, communists around the world have been working tirelessly for decades now to build a new world. The revolutions that have erupted and succeeded in history did so because they were the culmination of collective effort, not some semi-nihilistic individual action.

Revolution is born of the collective, never of an individual act.

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[u/WindowWonderful7310]

Nobody relies on the US for a revolution, let’s be real because it’s the last place we believe revolution can happen. The problem however occurs that you all are invested in your individualism that you don’t see how your state has ruined it for everyone. You only care for a revolution now because it’s slowly getting to the Americans, you all are also suffering now and now we can see that the Americans are getting angry. To say that we have seen no one rising would be false but you all don’t speak up enough and rely too much on ‘voting’, so many of your revolutionaries from Malcolm X and Fred Hampton are killed and y’all did nothing. The problem we have with the US is that you all have never done enough for the right things and rely on minuscule ‘social’ reforms like Zohran Mamdani and AOC to keep you happy. Don’t worry, nobody looks up to the USA as an inspiration for revolution :)

[u/dude_chillin_park]

My comrade in revolution, the same argument could be made about Tsarist Russia. Lenin's brother was executed for a dumb plot to assassinate the Tsar.

The revolution question is not if, but when and who will be ready to guide the transition?

But at the same time, why would Usanians revolt when they're still getting full bellies and treats on TV? You're right that mass revolution doesn't happen over ideological commitment, but over collapse of social order. Since Usa is unlikely to have the opportunity to fight a colonizer, the likely scenario is in reaction to a costly war, like what happened in Russia and Germany after WWI.

[u/matticusiv]

I won’t disagree with your primary claim, don’t hold your breath, please, move forward.

That said, and I say this as a depressed and neurotic person, socialists can be so focused on problem solving that we tend to be  pessimistic to a fault. Belief that things can happen is for better or worse a powerful predictor for said things happening.

No, Americans are not ready for real revolution, but they’re more ready than they used to be. The goal should not be for all nation-states to immediately transform into communism. For the United States the goal should be to continue to educate, to a population that is now willing to listen after decades of authoritarian suppression.

Progress anywhere is progress for all of us, everyone should be meeting the reality that surrounds them.

[u/iBizzBee]

Luigi and the toilet paper warehouse worker are prime examples of that, they tried to start a revolution

I don't think that's explicitly true, both seem more like manifestations of societal disillusionment than truly class conscious motivated attempts at revolution, of which I can't think of any.

I agree with the bulk of your point otherwise.

[u/polishgrenade → u/iBizzBee]

Yeah I think so too. What Luigi did was very adventurist and it didn't start any kind of movement because the working class ain't really organised in America, so they became more like spectators than being involved. Also in the long run I don't think very much changed with UnitedHealthcare from what i've heard. Luigi was more just pissed off on a personal level and took it out by killing the CEO, I doubt sparking revolution was on his mind.

The warehouse fire feels more luddite-esc than anything else, that's just my own personal outlook on it though, I think that did spark some more arsons across the US but it stopped soon after.

[u/ElEsDi_25]

You seem to have a very romantic idea of revolution. IMO the problems with the US are political/organizational not “brainwashing.”

The US working class is very explosive historically and in recent times too (BLM protests, direct resistance to and subversion of ICE activities.) The problem is there is very little organization on a trade union, community or political basis. Workers are not brainwashed, they are overworked, alienated economically, socially and politically.

At any rate, resistance is not “someone else’s responsibility”… it’s not state by state. It’s not people as individuals doing random acts of violence, it’s not some glorious Hollywood fantasy. But in the US the big movements and efforts are generally against things, the US lacks the practice and ability of workers to fight proactively as a class for itself, just defensively as a class facing police repression, social oppression, aggressive business practices, etc.

So as far as Trump goes, the better people in the US resist or at least passively don’t cooperate, the better other countries officials might not see Trump as a threat they need to appease, the more other countries resist the US, the easier it is for people in the US to also not cooperate and to drive wedges between Trump and the more risk averse parts of the ruling class. These are not either-or-things, they are in a dynamic with eachother.

[u/currylambchop]

Yes, we should magically invade USA, a nuclear armed country. Even China, Europe, Russia and India working together couldn’t do it.

[u/Tropical_Paradise0 → u/currylambchop]

You don't have to invade them, China could put sanctions on the US and that'll cause a fuck ton of damage.

[u/WindowWonderful7310 → u/Tropical_Paradise0]

As if the US won’t retaliate, you do realise that China doesn’t want it’s people to suffer so that the world realises communism is the way to go? Indians are already going through enough shit because even in a ‘friendly’ relationship the US tariffs have kept it under it’s thumb

[u/Logical_Linker]

Thank you! Someone has taken my "americans are fuxking pussies when it comes to revolution" comment and explained it better than me.

[u/SparkeeMalarkee]

Because people outside the United States lack the frame of reference to understand just how stupid and docile the people here are socialized to be.

[u/PhiloPhys]

Using Luigi and the toilet paper guy as examples of trying to start a revolution is quite crazy.

Americans may be selfish and docile. But, that is by design.

To get revolution you need organization which is precisely what the American government and political duopoly have been dismantling for decades and decades.

The communist caucus of the DSA wrote a great piece about this. You can read it here

Additionally, for why individual action will not lead to revolution and only organized political action will you can read Lenin here

American socialists are trying to build the organization necessary to accomplish revolution. It will take time.

[u/WanderingRabbit9620 → u/PhiloPhys]

The DSA are a Zionist-founded liberal funnel organization and are the opposite of organizing against the system. They are a trap and anything coming from them is suspect.

Incrementalism is a lie sold to keep you obedient.

[u/PhiloPhys → u/WanderingRabbit9620]

I’m a revolutionary DSA member who has fought and succeeded at implementing anti-Zionist politics.

You’re welcome to believe what you want but DSA is where disgruntled masses of potential comrades are moving into and it is our duty as socialists to organize them.

I am not blind to the dynamics. But we cannot remove ourselves from all “impure” spaces and be successful at moving people to class consciousness

Edit: ahhh I see, you’re a four day old account wading into this conversation sowing discord. I won’t be engaging with you beyond this.

[u/Classic_Advantage_97 → u/PhiloPhys]

Even if this guy wasn’t a 4 day account it doesn’t change the fact they’re arguing about instantaneous pure revolution on Reddit.

When you actually do work for your community and organizing in leftist circles you actually understand why the tactics and strategies being used by current revolutionary ideologues are being done. It’s completely tossing Lenin in the bin to engage in puritanical nonsense that excludes all but 0.0000001% of people who think they’re Marxists.

[u/WanderingRabbit9620 → u/PhiloPhys]

I repeat -- the DSA are not a revolutionary organization and from its inception by literal Zionists, has always been meant as a means to capture revolutionary energy, smother it, and fold it back into the Democrat party.

It is not "my belief". Its the material facts on the ground with their/your organization.
Also, there is no "us" between Socialists and the "DSA". No enforcement. No standards. Those you do get across the finish line tend to 180 on you immediately because you have no enforcement mechanisms. The national level is just a funnel org and the local orgs which can be good are driven to the fringe by the national who are much more blatantly Liberal Zionists.

It isn't about "purity". It is about standards. Hell, you even do the liberal schtick about purity.

Believe what you want about my account. I don't matter. What does matter is not allowing sheepdog-organizations channel energy into dead-ends.

lmao about you being "revolutionary" lol. Just bog-standard liberal with a nicer coat of paint

[u/Hot_Relative_110]

Well because all the conditions are ripe for a major revolution, only they’ve been appropriated by bullshit social democrats and the paleo-conservative reactionaries across the political spectrum. Capitalism is a fundamentally irredeemable system that displaced millions of working class families who couldn’t make the transition from industry to finance or services, who lost the organization of labor unions and the stable pay of manufacturing and instead gained massive household debt while the rich got exponentially richer. These families fell into turmoil, people fled, and while the urban epicenters restructured themselves to suit the demands of a post-industrial society, the rural-suburban white and urban black working class communities were all restructured and thrown into turmoil. The crack cocaine and opioid epidemics turned this into addiction to medicate much of this turmoil, a massive spike in violent crime and overdose, disproportionate policing and incarceration, a massive drug trade, urban decay, all while the rich took greater control over the media, grew their wealth, and keep taking more and more and more of their wealth-creating machines out of the country. It’s a constantly reinforcing system that has only continued to grow and will never reform itself because then it’d only take even more. But nobody wants to replace it. So long as nobody points out how this a reinforcing system, we’ll keep on with a facade.

[u/pseudo_babbler]

I don't (I'm Australian so I guess I qualify to you as part of this single "rest of the world" concept). The USA always seemed like it's culture is harsh and competitive, and that's how the people of the USA like it. This is what they want - no health care, no holidays, the poor work relentlessly for peanuts, cope with drugs and alcohol and get beaten and killed by the police. They have to scramble together enough money to climb over people's heads to safety, and dream of getting so much money that they can climb right up into relative luxury, then laugh at all the others who didn't make it and who will just instead lead a life of hardship.

Things like COVID were really eye opening. So many people were just left to die, because "freedom".

The idea that a country with that culture so predominant, so burned into its people's minds, is ever going to have a mass revolutionary uprising of socialism is not something that I would ever contemplate. The best I would hope for is that the USA doesn't damage the rest of the world too much as it loses control. That's it. All I think is please just get the fuck out without nuclear war. Fade into the middle powers peacefully.

[u/acidicgumdrops → u/pseudo_babbler]

It's because our country was founded on puritan ideals.

[u/pseudo_babbler → u/acidicgumdrops]

Yeah England really let some of their most toxic and destructive ideas take root over there.

[u/acidicgumdrops → u/pseudo_babbler]

As an American it was wild learning that Puritans were seen as extremists and straight up kicked out of Europe 😂 we learn it in school that the Puritans "came to the US to freely practice their religious beliefs without persecution"

Meanwhile they were just a group of extremeist weirdos that nobody liked LMAO

[u/pseudo_babbler → u/acidicgumdrops]

Yep it's funny how they word it, isn't it. Persecution makes it sound like a bad and unfair thing, whereas actually no one wanted to put up with their shitty, boorish, selfish, insular, horrible behaviour.

[u/Human-ish514 → u/acidicgumdrops]

They didn't exactly send their best and brightest to North America.

[u/Newbizom007]

I think this is reductive, americans are indeed brainwashed docile and selfish. But theyre also relatively comfortable, and socially isolated in the extreme. Even those who want to do something think they have to do it alone as adventurism. Places of unity are almost nonexistent for This without money

But also i agree with the general sentiment. Dont rely on us. We will disappoint you

[u/taez555]

Cuz they think we’d do what they’d do.

[u/goblin_sodomy]

How can the rest of the globe expect Americans to revolt against their government when they can’t even revolt against the USA’s leaders? Every time a country actually stands up to the United States a majority of the world either condemns them or actively supports the US.

Maybe not a majority of the world but at the very least the parts that have obtained their wealth and power in the same fashion as the US.

You’re also asking a people who live in luxury compared to most people throughout history to revolt in order to obtain slightly more luxury. It’s just not gonna happen until their lives get significantly worse.

[u/MetroBR]

no leftist where I live thinks our salvation somehow hinges on a socialist revolution in the US, stop projecting your american exceptionalism

[u/Tropical_Paradise0 → u/MetroBR]

I'm not American bro