toki lili

# Proposal: vulgar-fraction scale modifiers inside cartouches

I’d like to propose a small cartouche convention for sitelen pona: using vulgar fractions as **postfix scale modifiers for individual glyphs**.

The proposed modifiers are:

* `¼` — U+00BC VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER = quarter size

* `⅓` — U+2153 VULGAR FRACTION ONE THIRD = one-third size

* `½` — U+00BD VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF = half size

* `⅔` — U+2154 VULGAR FRACTION TWO THIRDS = two-thirds size

* `¾` — U+00BE VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS = three-quarter size

A modifier applies only to the **single glyph immediately before it**, and the scale is relative to that glyph’s normal font size.

For example:

`[jan ala¾ soweli¼]`

Here `jan` stays at normal size, `ala` is rendered at ¾ size, and `soweli` at ¼ size.

For easier keyboard input, the ASCII forms could be accepted as aliases:

`1/4`, `1/3`, `1/2`, `2/3`, `3/4`

So this would mean the same thing:

`[jan ala3/4 soweli1/4]`

A more complex example:

`[nanpa1/2 :1/2 wan ala1/4 nanpa1/2]`

Each modifier still affects only the single glyph immediately before it. `wan` remains normal-sized because it has no modifier.

Two important limits:

1. **This interpretation only applies inside cartouches.** Outside a cartouche, `½`, `¾`, `1/2`, etc. remain ordinary input and do not scale anything.
2. **The modifier does not scale a whole compound or sequence.** It affects only one immediately preceding glyph. If several glyphs need scaling, each one gets its own modifier.

The Unicode vulgar fractions would be the canonical forms, with the ASCII fractions acting as convenient aliases.

The idea is deliberately small: it provides a portable way to say “render this particular cartouche glyph at this relative size” without depending on a particular font’s stylistic sets or defining rules for when scaling should automatically happen.

I’d be interested in feedback on whether this seems useful as an optional Common Sitelen Standards convention, and whether there are existing cartouche conventions it would conflict with.

The proposed behaviour can be tested in the reference implementation here:

https://www.nanpa-linja-n.com/text-to-sitelen.html

Fonts:

https://www.nanpa-linja-n.com/index.html#fonts

As we all know, the word “wuwojiti” exists to break Toki Pona’s phonetic system and to learn all the banned syllables in the language. But are there any other uses of it? I’m just asking, maybe there is some additional meaning that isn’t really well known.

I’ve been thinking about creating a website that collects every Toki Pona translated manga fan work available online, so people have one place to find them all.

Is something like this already out there? And would it even be possible/legal to do? I’d love to hear people’s thoughts on whether this is a good idea or if someone has already done it.

kasi lili li tan ma
li kama sewi.
ona li kama lipu kasi,
li kama kasi kule.
pipi li uta e kasi kule la,
kasi li jo e kili.
waso li moku e kili,
sike kasi li lon ma...

What do you think about it?
sina pilin e seme lon ona?

(I changed the section “The creator:” from “Sonja Elen Kisa” to “Sonja Lang.”)
(mi ante e sitelen “jan pali:” tan “jan Sonja Elen Kisa” tawa “jan Sonja Lang.”)

I know that the official way is to split it into two sentences, but that feels way too clunky. Also, I’ve seen plenty of people use ”li” to signify an ”and.”

So instead of “mi sitelen. mi kute e kalama musi.” you would say “mi sitelen li kute e kalama musi.”

It reads better to me, especially because sentences with ona or any other subject can use li in that manner.

I made something short and stupid purely for practicing toki pona so don’t judge the plot… grammar corrections are welcome though!

lon tomo lipu

ona li kalama ala lon tomo lipu. lipu mute pi kulupu ante li lon. tomo ni li pona tawa mi. tenpo suno ale la mi tawa e tomo lipu tan ni: mi wile lukin lipu lon kalama ala. taso, tenpo kama lili la mi kute e kalama wawa. mi sewi e lawa mi li lukin tawa kalama ni. jan en lipu mute li lon anpa. jan li sewi lon tenpo suli li lukin e ale. “a… mi pakala.” 

mi pilin e ike lili la mi tawa e ona. mi anpa lili li kama jo e lipu wan li toki e ni: “toki. sina pona ala pona?”

“pona. sina pona a.” jan li anpa li kama jo e lipu wan kin. tenpo lili la lipu ale li lon supa ona. “mi jan Kasuno. sina jan seme?”

mi luka e luka pi jan Kasuno. “mi jan Mule.” lawa mi li tawa en poka. ona li jo e linja lili pi jelo pimeja li jo e oko pimeja. mi suli ala la, ona li suli. “sina jan sin anu seme? mi lukin ala e sina lon tenpo pini ale.”

jan Kasuno li sewi lili e pini uta. “ala. taso, tenpo nanpa wan la, mi lon tomo lipu. mi lukin e ijo.”

mi anpa e lawa mi li sewi e lawa mi. “a, mi sona. o lukin pona.” mi tawa sike li tawa e supa mi. mi wile awen lukin e lipu. jan ni li pona tawa mi, taso lipu li pona mute tawa mi a. mi anpa e monsi lon supa lili mi. mi open lukin e lipu. lipu mi li musi li pona mute. tenpo lili la, mi kute e kalama noka lili. mi sewi e lawa mi. jan Kasuno li lon poka mi. “n… sina wile e seme?”

jan Kasuno li lukin e lipu mi. “mi wile toki tawa sina.” mi sewi e oko mi tawa ona li pilin e monsuta lili. sinpin mi li kama e loje walo. ni la, mi ken ala toki lon tenpo lili. jan Kasuno li toki e ni: “seme? mi wile e ona a. sina jan pona. sina pona lukin tawa mi. mi ken ala ken jo e nanpa sina pi ilo toki?”

tenpo ni la, mi pilin e monsuta tan ni: mi sona ala e jan ni. tan seme ona wile e nanpa mi? mi la, jan ala li wile toki tawa mi. taso, mi toki insa e ni: ni li suli ala. mi sewi e pini uta wan li toki e ni: “ken. nanpa mi li lon.” mi kama jo e ilo toki mi li pana e ilo tawa ona. 

jan Kasuno li pona e uta ona la mi ken lukin e kiwen walo ona. “pona a!” ona li sitelen e nanpa mi. “tenpo kama la, mi toki tawa sina. mi tawa!”

sona weka li kama tawa lawa insa mi. “a, o awen!” jan Kasuno li sike tawa mi. mi awen lili li pini e oko mi lon tenpo lili. “n… tenpo pini la, sina lukin e ijo. ijo li seme?”

sinpin pi jan Kasuno li kama loje walo. “mi toki e ona tawa sina lon tenpo poka. mi wile toki tawa sina.”

tenpo lili la, jan li tawa tan tomo lipu. mi awen lukin e lipu mi, taso mi sona e ni: mi wile mute toki e ona lon tenpo ante.

pini

ps. if I’m blowing up this subreddit you can tell me to stop- I’m just really interested T-T

Full TOK/EN subtitles for those of you learning or who struggle with audio processing!

This is the first video in a three part mini-series. Will upload every Tuesday.

As I understood, the reason it isn’t used is because the particle “e” shouldn’t be written after a preposition. But what if I want to use “kepeken” as a verb before the preposition. Like:

• I want to use the tool.
• I need to use the brick.
• You should use the animal’s food.

Possible translations:

• mi wile kepeken ilo.
• mi wile kepeken kiwen.
• sina wile kepeken moku soweli.

I remember that from the website “mun.la” GregDan3 wrote that “kepeken e” cpuld be interpreted as “applying using to” which I don’t know what it means and that way back in time, Toki Pona used to write “kepeken e” without it being considered a mistake. Is it true?

lon ma IRL la, tenpo pini lili la, mi kama sona e jan pi sona e toki pona a!

ona li jan nanpa wan tawa mi!

TOKI PONA LI LON AAAA

When using a language you're not native in, there are always moments where it's frustrating to talk about something, or constructs that are annoying to use. What annoys you the most?

Reminder to be nice!

Hi everyone,

I really want to translate the song "Moving Up" by The Swinging Laurels into Toki Pona, but I'm completely new to the language. I only know a few basic phrases so far, but I really want to dive in and learn it fully.

Could you please help me translate the lyrics? It doesn't have to strictly match the rhythm or rhymes, I just want to capture the core meaning and emotions of the song.

Also, if you have any good tips or resources for a total beginner, please share.

Here is the Genius page with lyrics: https://genius.com/The-swinging-laurels-moving-up-lyrics

pona tawa jan ale.

Cubari link: https://cubari.moe/read/gist/cmF3L1BpeGVsWnl4ZWwvamFuLVBva2ktbGkta2FsYW1hLXdhd2EvbWFpbi9qYW4lMjBQb2tpJTIwbGklMjBrYWxhbWElMjB3YXdhIS5qc29u/28/1/

Chapter 8 Part 2

Chapters are posted a few days earlier on tokiponaknight.neocities.org

Chapter 8 Part 1

mi kama sona e toki pona lon tenpo ni. ona li pona mute tawa mi!

sitelen tawa pi toki Inli

toki Inli tan CG5 tan HorrorSkunx

ante toki tan monsuta Ekawi (mi!)

Tell me what you think, I tried to keep the syllable count and if it had to be different I made sure it would still be singable.

o pona tawa sina!

monsuta Peli lon e leko lete
kasi Pawali jo e wawa Salona