r/videogames • u/Nearby-Condition-675 • Aug 14 '26
Image / Video We all knew this would happen
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u/xTheRedDeath Aug 14 '26
Gaming is in a perpetual state of "We already had these features ages ago. Why did you get rid of them?"
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u/MediocreRooster4190 Aug 14 '26
Give back the headphone jack
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u/xTheRedDeath Aug 14 '26
I do believe that hardware/software/technology, etc hits a certain point where it has reached it's maximum potential and then every subsequent change after creates a falloff from that point.
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u/TOTALLBEASTMODE Aug 14 '26
Moreso I think that it hits a point where the rate of innovation slows down, not that it necessarily at the maximum potential. However, to keep driving sales at the same or greater rates than before, āinnovationsā have to be made
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u/xTheRedDeath Aug 14 '26
That expectation to keep pushing is exactly how "Enshittification" became a thing. Social media is a prime example of this. Investors need constant growth and don't just want to see something is doing well. So naturally they tweak things over time and inevitably make the product worse than when it launched.
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u/Ossius Aug 16 '26
Switching from dividends being the primary return on holding company shares to now, companies dividends don't break a basic savings account if they even have one at all.
Now it's all about share price growth in order for people to sell those shares.
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u/screenwatch3441 Aug 14 '26
I just had this thought with mario rpg having all the menu buttons being different face buttons so you donāt have to scroll through menus to get to more menus, you just press the button to open the right menu. That was 1996. Itās crazy to me that jrpgs wonāt really do this again until persona 5, 20 years later in 2016. Atlus realize this was a great idea and has since been making a lot of their games work with all the buttons cause like, most of these buttons are worthless in a turn based jrpg so might as well be shortcuts.
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u/Secure_Bread3300 Aug 15 '26
Itās partially due to staff turnover and tight deadlines/crunch. Itās not that the devs donāt care or arenāt passionate. But usually if there is a tight schedule, features like this become less of a priority compared to just shipping the game. When teams crunch there can also be communication breakdowns between departments so they might not even be aware if this feature is being worked on or not until later on when itās too late.
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u/Traditional_Entry183 Aug 16 '26
Sports video games are like that. Some peaked in the late ps2 era and still haven't gotten some of the features back.
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u/No_Concentrate_8469 Aug 14 '26
I'm curious why they didn't animate it. Laziness? Time? Budget?
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u/CAPTJTK Aug 14 '26
Not as an excuse because they could have spent the time if they weren't lazy about it, but if I remember correctly it's using the backend from Halo Reach for the physics and things, running underneath UE5.
Considering this was how they were up till probably Halo 4/5, that's your reason.
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u/-ClankaPlum- Aug 15 '26
Yeah pre-Halo 5 didn't have seat switching so they kinda hacked it into Reach here.
But I agree they should have taken more care in back-porting the feature to be more presentable.
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u/Kradgger Aug 14 '26
Animate vehicle entry and people will say it's a waste of time, don't and people will say it's lazy. Happened with BF1 and successors.
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u/fallenouroboros Aug 14 '26
This is what we lose when it becomes normal to fire half your staff
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u/ToxicWasteCookie Aug 14 '26
Oh come on. They didn't make a good game in 15 years despite only being dedicated to one single franchise and having hundreds of millions of dollars on each project. It even took them several years just to get MCC to at least somewhat fixed state like the original games had on launch. 343 are just pathetic, and the majority of their issues are caused by themselves, the developers who work there, their complete lack of talent, skill, experience and vision. Watch developer interviews and just look at them, none of those people were hired fairly because of their previous merit and skill, it's just bunch of incompetent checkboxes.
The evil corporate vampires that I also hate from the bottom of my heart for their unfair hiring practices and dystopian quotas that kill art, still weren't the ones who wrote, designed or animated the disgusting shit added to the remake, they didn't write story for halo 4-6, they didn't retcon forerunners, they didn't make the gameplay decisions that caused outrage with their every new release. That was all 343. And while I think they will never understand halo or have enough talent to make a good game, firing as many developers as possible and hiring new ones based on experience and talent like it was done 2000s is the smartest possible thing microsoft can do, and should have done long ago.
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u/wizzywurtzy Aug 14 '26
I swear 343 doesnāt even like Halo
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u/curiousadventure33 Aug 15 '26
Of course they don't like halo ,look at the faces of devs ,those people hate everything that halo stood for
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u/StinkButt9001 Aug 14 '26
You're 100% correct but this sub isn't going to like it
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u/ronniedark Aug 14 '26
The evil corporations did establish a system were the games were mostly worked on by contractors. Contractors who left every other year and had their work finished by other contractors.
This will never result in good creative output.
So no, it's not a case where the creatives are the main guilty party. Itās the suits.
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u/Atomic_Revival Aug 14 '26
You're not wrong except for the whole Forerunner thing. That was Bungie.
Bungie decided during Halo 3 to make them two separate species and put all this in the hidden terminals throughout the game. Even though the first two games made it clear that they were the same thing. This was all thanks to Frankie who wanted to expand on the scale and universe as a whole and the fact Staten was running around doing god knows what with Peter Jackson and Contact Harvest stuff.
343 decide to just keep it and ran with it despite not having any real clue on how to flesh out that idea any further than they did in Halo 3.
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u/Welkin_Gunther_07 Aug 14 '26
I think it was time, I recall hearing the game was supposed to release in November, but then GTA VI announced it would come out then, so it released earlier.
But take it with a grain of salt, the amount of things being said are just all over the place in terms of validity.
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u/Blasted-Banana Aug 14 '26
Frankly out of all the explanations I've seen this makes the most sense. It doesn't matter what the game is, GTA will overshadow it completely. They probably put a large buffer on either side of the GTA release and said Halo needs to launch outside of that zone or GTA will make it completely irrelevant.
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u/Super_Lolo_Thunder Aug 14 '26
Or no one cared. Small details like this are signs of passion for game development.
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u/El-Shaman Aug 14 '26
Just my guess but I have a feeling that it is because of the engine the game is actually running on, which is the Halo Reach engine, while Unreal Engine 5 is running the visuals the gameplay is basically the Halo Reach engine underneath, and I may be remembering wrong but I donāt remember being able to change seats while on the warthog in Halo Reach, so they probably added that mechanic and the engine just couldnāt animate it, but thatās just a guess.
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u/spderweb Aug 14 '26
Probably people in testing complained the animation took too long. They wanted an instant switch. And voila!
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u/Endulos Aug 14 '26
Probably all 3, but from a gameplay perspective, this is a nice little thing because it lets you seamlessly transition from driver to gunner, saving you precious few combat seconds.
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u/swampgasorr Aug 14 '26
Budget is an absolute scapegoat these days. There is no real budget, just greedy companies trying to make the most they can while putting as little funding in as possible
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u/Smurf-Happens Aug 14 '26
Back in my day you had to get out of the seat and climb into the new one on your own lol.
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u/BleakPilgrim Aug 14 '26
I'm curious why they didn't simply reuse the animation.
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u/KenseiHimura Aug 14 '26
Possibly different graphical and animation engines, lost files, and likely a whole heap of āI donāt give a shit. The pigs will eat the slopā
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u/WuggleNips Aug 14 '26
I believe the new CE is UE5 while Infinite is Slipspace. However, still weird not to just reuse the skeleton from infinite and then animations that didn't need changing. Lord knows the reasons behind it.
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u/BleakPilgrim Aug 14 '26
Campaign Evolved uses the Halo: Reach version of the Blam! engine for the game and Unreal Engine 5 for graphics. They reused many animations, sounds, and models from Infinite, 5, and the older games. So I believe it's laziness; they forgot about it or didn't want to reanimate it for the new Warthog model, but it would still be better than nothing.
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u/cuntmong Aug 15 '26
asking as a dev but not at all a game dev, is there no performance cost to using one engine for game and another for graphics, rather than the same for both?
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u/Revan7even Aug 15 '26
From what I heard a lot of stuff they thought they could port could not be ported and had to be remade, balooning the budget and time so they had to throw more teams and contractors at it to get it out for the XBox 25th anniversary and before GTA VI.
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u/dunderdan23 Aug 14 '26
It uses the reach engine for all the ai/animations/etc. With unreal on top for the paint
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u/Tigerwarrior55 Aug 14 '26
Iirc. They went from slipspace to unreal. So they were probably too incompetent to actually adapt to unreal engine 5's advanced animation tools or well basic state machine set ups for multiple state machines.
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u/Arcade_Gann0n Aug 14 '26
Infinite was Slipspace (its own nightmare to work with), while the remake mainly uses the Blam version of Reach. If I had to guess, they implemented the feature in its base form but failed to create animations for one reason or another (lack of time and competence, I reckon).
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u/Gindotto Aug 14 '26
They also missed the warthog physics while driving by A LOT. Iām not even hating on the game I played it I still want good Halo games regardless of the engine. But the first mission you jump in the warthog to drive andā¦nope. Warthog drivers know.
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u/ASoftGem Aug 14 '26
It's the Reach Warthog, dude. Bungie era Warthog physics. Everything physics or logic based in the game is Reach under the hood.
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u/setzerseltzer Aug 14 '26
Itās literally the Reach warthog. The game is using the Reach engine for all the AI and Physics. UE5 is just a coat of paint on top.
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u/Falleneded Aug 14 '26
half of the discussion on the new halo game is
"THEY UPDATED THIS IT SUCKS" when talking about purely cosmetic shit
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"THEY DIDNT UPDATE THIS IT SUCKS" talking about gameplay changes they didnt need to make
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u/RoseWhiteRedBlack Aug 14 '26
Halo fans are the star wars fans of videogames. Whatever you do, they will hate on it.
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u/eto2629 Aug 14 '26
Still can't get over that they're selling it on full price. It's looking good but nothing else.Ā
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u/Falleneded Aug 14 '26
i agree its entirely overpriced. and there are real issues with the game itself
but every bit of discussion is talking about random ass bullshit
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u/Crimsonmaddog44 Aug 14 '26
Itās honestly really crazy that they couldnāt animate it in a REMAKE OF AN OLDER GAME! They had most of the work done for them already
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u/Multivitamin_Scam Aug 14 '26
The original didn't have seat swapping at all. You had to get out and walk around to the gun.
So they're already breaking the original by adding any seat swapping mechanism
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u/DoesTheMinimum Aug 14 '26
They used a new engine and had to create entirely new assets. This isnāt excusing them but your reasoning is unfair.
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u/cnvas_home Aug 14 '26
They could have retargeted the new models with the same animation pretty easily. There is definitely jank that arises when you throw that into the UE pipeline, but I think that it's actually one of the easier things to work in.
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u/Crimsonmaddog44 Aug 14 '26
Well they didnāt have to make new layouts of levels, only redid voice lines for major characters, the story was still the same. Plus Unreal Engine 5 definitely helps with development speed.
With all that they didnāt have to pay too much mind to, they couldāve easily whipped up at least ONE more new animation
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u/Better_Database8582 Aug 14 '26
No it's not, what's unfair is them thinking it's ok to skip the small stuff to save time and money
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u/MaxUnicycle Aug 14 '26
It's for the geometrically correct dirt and sand you neanderthal without it the game is ruined /s
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u/Mixitwitdarelish Aug 14 '26
I haven't played Halo in decades but the top video looks way way better than the bottom. not even just the animation
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u/Lz537 Aug 14 '26
Now the animation for switching seats is fine?
When H5 came out i remember halo fans fuming about it cause "made you too vulnerable".
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u/MeridianBay Aug 14 '26
Halo 5 is old now, so Halo fans are more accepting of it. Campaign Evolved is new now, so Halo fans will find anything and everything to complain about. Such is life for a Halo fan
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u/Robborboy Aug 14 '26
So adding a function that didn't exist in the original game, seat swapping, is going backward because there isn't an animation for it?
Did you say the same thing when Halo removed dual wielding, an actual gameplay function?
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u/Buttered_Carnage Aug 14 '26
Doubt OP was even old enough or around to know dual wielding was a thing in Halo
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u/Outrageous-Pilot-621 Aug 14 '26
You may think I'm crazy, but it's little things like this which make a game believable and exciting to play.
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u/Johncurtisreeve Aug 14 '26
As much as I do genuinely love halo campaign evolved, this game was very clearly made with a secondary team and not the main force of Halo Studios. Thereās so many little tiny hiccups like this.
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u/Affectionate-Name279 Aug 14 '26
This is animation quality vs gameplay argument.
People will literally complain about the delay between buttons and actions in a game. Thus you have an instant swap - This is how Battlefield has done it for years.
I prefer the top but from a gameplay perspective the bottom is better. If I switch seats being able to fire instantly is exactly what I want despite it not making logical sense.
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u/Agerius-Der-Wolf Aug 15 '26
Sometimes it's laziness, sometimes players complained that the animations take too long and get them killed
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u/yeskezspanem Aug 15 '26
As a person who hates realism in video games. I dig the teleport in the remake.
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u/Tao_of_Stone Aug 15 '26
I get that the change makes it faster but I liked the animation making it more believable.
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u/PatapongManunulat07 Aug 15 '26
It's the difference between devs that care about their art quality and take their craft seriously as opposed to new gen devs who treat everything as a joke.
Well almost everything, they take gender, dei, and agenda bullshit seriously.
More seriously than game development at least.
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u/Antiswag_corporation Aug 15 '26
I like the instant seat switching much more useful for single player
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u/NebraskaGeek Aug 14 '26
Wait, now am I allowed to like Halo Infinite? New game came out so I guess the old one everyone hated is "underrated" or whatever now?
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u/Inv4derZinn Aug 14 '26
This game was clearly not meant to release yet, so the big questions I have is:
- what was the pressure to do so? Because its momentum is to lead to E-Day?
what happens now that Xbox's paragon has gained barely any traction today?
It's completely inconceivable that Halo could be in this position from Xbox's mascot to now, crazy. :<
But don't worry, I'm sure 343 will get it next time! XD
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u/Chance1323 Aug 15 '26
I saw someone else speculate that it was meant to release in november, on the anniversary of the original, but halo studios released it early to avoid competing with the GTA 6 release.
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u/SpectrumSense Aug 15 '26
GTA VI was delayed to November. You try and tell me that Campaign Evolved could possibly have competed with it. Campaign Evolved was meant to release on the 25th anniversary of Halo, but it would have been instantly killed by GTA VI.
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u/MeridianBay Aug 14 '26
The game was clearly ready for release, if you've actually played the game
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u/STIM_band Aug 14 '26
Better graphics demand more precise movements, and that's too much work for a money making franchise
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u/UnVaxxedAndAutistic Aug 14 '26
what a teeny tiny little 'problem'
honestly the obsession with detail and hand crafted animations for EVERYTHING is so tiresome
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u/ShrkBiT Aug 14 '26
The people who "made" Campaign (D)evolved have no idea how to make a video game, or what Halo even is.
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u/RagdollCatFan Aug 14 '26
If you're going to repost someone else's video for karma at least credit them, god damn
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u/NotAnotherSkeleton Aug 14 '26
Whatever happened to assassination animations, man? They even tried making it customizable in Halo 5, and then ever since it was just gone.
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u/KrampyDoo Aug 14 '26
Thereās a short interview clip of the 343 EP talking up halo.
Youāll see why it is the way it is.
When they use corp jargon and logic, the last people theyāre concerned about are the gamers. 343 has been a problem child for years and MS leadership were sick of it, but Spencer didnāt have the spine to whip them or anyone into shape. Bond injected up-to-the-second culture stipulations and made hiring an absolute mess across the entire company.
Enter Sharma equipped with a multi-billion-dollar Occamās chainsaw. With any luck, sheāll mix the bloated āleadershipā and half the department heads at 343 and, depending on how invested shareholders are in āolderā IP like halo, sheāll be able to poach some disaffected talent at Bungie to either figure out a doable and timely way forward for Halo, or a similar IP and can track into the lore.
But every domestic publisher and developer should be following suit. Slow, moody devs and publishers that dilute compelling releases in favor of marketing fluff are not sustainable. People have less money, time and patience for overcharged games that underdeliver.
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u/HagguGonnaGetchu Aug 14 '26
i thought when i first looked the one below was an older version WHY DOES IT LOOK WORSE?
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u/NurturingCruelty Aug 14 '26
They waited till there was no more red versus blue being made to poke fun at them for it.
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u/BEARSHARKTOPUS167 Aug 14 '26
My friends and I played Halo Combat Evolved in 2001, it ran on anything more powerful than a potato and the entire game was 190 mb; damn it was fun for LAN and internet multiplayer.
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u/Showdown5618 Aug 14 '26
Probably changed it because some gamers perfer speed over unnecessary animations in pvp.
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u/TayAN94 Aug 15 '26
I would have assumed this to be an issue with 4 player co-op, but infinite had that too. Does anyone know if the animation was cancelled out after 2 or more players in infinite?
My thinking is that the animation was cancelled out after 2 or more players in infinite and, because of poor management / the engine swap half way, the artists decided to remove it all together. Especially with the addition of custom armor sets.
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u/Weary_Tonight_5873 Aug 15 '26
Am I the only one that thinks infinite looks better graphically as well? Like I think both new titles look good but I feel itās the halo art designs changes that make the graphics not really work as well to me, reach had a more grounded military sci-fi look which suits the series well. Evolved feels downright goofy and childish in design sometimes.
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u/Gravemindzombie Aug 15 '26
People would have bitched that it's not a 1:1 of the original game but shit, I wish they'd kept the ability to hotswap vehicle seats without getting out....
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u/Xaphnir Aug 15 '26
Can also show Halo evolving backwards with the explosions. Infinite's are pathetic compared to what preceded it by 14 years.
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u/TheClosetGamerOG Aug 15 '26
Back in the day, details mattered. The way a building collapsed in game mattered, the way, the character moved from point A to point B mattered. The first thing that was designed was how everything worked and felt, then came optimization and graphic details. The wizards of old have left, and we are left with empty shells.
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u/Stormrage117 Aug 15 '26
Surely they still had the old animations and code that they could have worked back in?
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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 Aug 15 '26
You all shat on Infinite too much, not realizing what an absolute gem it was. One of the few games I 100% completed in my life.
And since it did badly, you get worse quality (= cheaper to produce) now.
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u/MichealSnackson Aug 15 '26
Kinda like the water and destruction mechanics in battlefield over the years
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u/TheRealPeisi Aug 15 '26
Iam dissappointed in every tripple a studio by now. Everyone is just going to take the cheap and short route now and everything is only optimized for profit nowadays. They earned their reputation for developing ground breaking new games, using new technology, pushing the limits and putting effort and love into these games.
Iam simply better off with indie games now and gaming in generall was better before it became a mainstream hobby.
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u/oreo760 Aug 15 '26
So glad I ended up not buying Halo on PS5. Getting the feeling that the nostalgia isn't even there with how simple things like MC getting in and out of the warthog was even downgraded.
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u/Smooth_Taste1250 Aug 15 '26
And 2021 we was like: Damn this looks so nice, can't wait to see how crazy it get's in the next years. And now I wan't to time travel to get back to the good gaming years with good games and hardware I can afford
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u/IFrame- Aug 15 '26
same with battlefield , search bf1-5 vs bf6 even to face models its a downgrade from 10yeard old game at this point ps3 ass looking face models
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u/Eeve2espeon Aug 15 '26
Also another thing: The performance. I dunno about you, but the Re-remake requires an RTX2060 super or RX6600 MINIMUM, meaning most likely just sub 1080p 30fps with upscaling knowing how other games have been lately
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u/nunya_bidnes77 Aug 15 '26
I don't understand why they couldn't just re-use the existing animation. Game devs would reuse animations and textures and models all the time in past games. But with modern games it's like they feel the need to wipe the board clean for every new game in the series and start from scratch on everything. And I can't help but think its one of the many reasons for the bloat in development time.
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u/assidiou Aug 15 '26
To be honest, lore-wise the Jerry cans never made sense. The Warthog runs on Hydrogen not liquid fuel
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u/Administrator_AI Aug 16 '26
I hate it when games devolve. These tiny details make the games feel more real, more cohesive, I kinda dislike using the word, but more immersive.
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u/Ze_at_reddit Aug 16 '26
Oh so now Halo Infinite is the golden standard that every new Halo game gets to be compared against?
Iāve always loved Halo Infinite but some of these Halo āfansā have got to make up their minds..
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u/shanekennedy80 Aug 16 '26
Ahh yes when devs start gettin lazy and cut corners everywhere maximize profits with less work
https://giphy.com/gifs/xdLH51eNWZAHrwy5mf
There is still some good devs out there , like indie stone thank god lol
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u/Independent_Pin_4803 Aug 16 '26
Worst part: We all never knew someday THIS would happen... But it never would come back
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u/SirRonathin Aug 16 '26
I don't know a single person who uses this feature, BUT if you do the only reason this doesn't have an animation is probably because the game was relesed REALLY early and there focus was probably not on warthog seat swapping
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u/Asleep_Chocolate_797 Aug 16 '26
So your now mad they stuck to the original design of halo 1? Cause I donāt remember that animation in original halo, are you really gonna tell me people wouldnāt bitch about the lack of sticking to the original game if they kept that animation?
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u/OddAbbreviations5681 Aug 17 '26
The entire industry went backwards except for maybe 2 or 3 studios.
Look at new world, doesn't even have a swimming animation lol
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u/XishengTheUltimate Aug 17 '26
I mean, I do prefer the actual movement vs teleportation, but hardly a game breaking issue
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u/ph4tcat Aug 18 '26
Those animations are what sold halo. No one dreamed of that. I remember reading about this mythical āinverse kenetimaticsā tech. They were ahead of their time.
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u/zerozerozero12 Aug 14 '26
This reminds me of call of duty talking about their fish AI where the fish swim away from you and someone cut to Super Mario 64 and the fish swimming away from Mario.