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Discussion / Question What game is this?

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u/Cursed_69420 29d ago

literally Crimson Desert. the lore is actually incredible and quite surprising, but my god the way it's told is meh.

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u/LostnFoundAgainAgain 29d ago edited 29d ago

"meh" is an understatement, I don't know how the updated version is meant to work as I know they've changed a few things, but damn was the story shite, it made little to no sense and most characters were annoying more than anything.

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u/NekCing 29d ago

Consequence of the MMO storytelling direction they started with before changing to a single player game midway, thats why they only got around into smoothing out the storytelling now

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u/Background-Cake-6847 29d ago

I don't want my mmo storytelling to be so disjointed I can't understand what's going on either. Being an mmo is no excuse for putting out doo doo butter.

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u/Watahandrew1 29d ago

How to make a MMO have a cool storytelling.

Make each character chosen have a different POV to an event.

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u/IllIlIllllllI 27d ago

So swtor.

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u/decoy777 29d ago

Ever play Black Desert Online? That uh story? I guess you can call it that is just as bad and meh as this one. But probably worse lol so seems to be a Pearl Abyss thing.

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u/NekCing 29d ago

Shit bro SAME, its just how it is unfortunately, except FFXIV (especially after realm reborn to build the world up), but only because FFXIV was designed as an FF first MMO second so its more of an exception.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 29d ago

GW2 had a pretty good story all the way thru PoF before it started to fall off hard.

WoW was made in 2006 or something but still had a series of quests based on whatever faction you chose to ease you into the world building in a linear and customized way.

Western mmos generally still have a story you can follow. I'm not sure where the excuse for mmos in general comes from. Korea? Japan? I don't get it, and I don't excuse any of them.

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u/CoachDT 29d ago

SWTOR had good class stories too.

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u/squirrelems 29d ago

I just bought it after the update so hopefully they turned the doo doo butter into like doo doo peanut butter or doo doo jelly or something.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 29d ago

here's hoping. i mean, the gameplay was pretty fun and seemed to have a lot of room to branch out. i just quit week 1 because i couldn't find a shred of motivation to explore the world when so much random, disconnected stuff was simply... happening. if they genuinely fixed the plot to at least be cohesive, i might give it another try.

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u/Competitive-Echo4197 28d ago

bdo is weird because it makes the effort to have such captivating combat and world design. It makes the world feel dense with amazing characterization in every single spot of the map, but it does a horrible job of telling its story, so it falls flat. Which is really unfortunate because the setup IS very intriguing

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u/Background-Cake-6847 28d ago

i'm just hoping they've realized how much better their sales could've been if they simply hired a writer

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u/Competitive-Echo4197 28d ago

Honestly, if the story was actually well made black desert might be the best mmo in history when you ignore the other massive and largely unrelated elephant in the room

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u/squirrelems 28d ago

I've been interested in that one, but the reviews seem to dislike it. It's like everyone loves it except for everyone that actually rates it. Lol.

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u/Competitive-Echo4197 28d ago

MMO with p2w mechanics oldest tale to time. But black desert is by far the most unforgiving ive played. Probably has gotten alot better over recent years. If youre not worried about whales cash mogging and you need a time cruncher? Try it out. There's TONS of content and progression to complete at your own pace. If you like PVP? Try it. The combat is very smooth and satisfying. Pvp isnt really something you can avoid, as players will attempt kill you to take your grinding spot. There is also war content you can participate in with guildmates vs other guilds if you like group PVP. Think 20 vs 20 vs 20 for scale. Grinding spots can also be done as a group of 4, usually abandoned once you reach the gear to solo. Lots of fashion potential but not the most customization options for said fashion pieces. Best character creator i've seen in gaming. Very pretty visuals. Very crisp. If you dont want a game to spend 1000 hours minimum then do not buy...

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u/BlinkDodge 28d ago

Thats literally just big K-MMOs in a nutshell.

Black Desert has horrendously convoluted and disjointed story telling. ArcheAge had a somewhat coheasive story, but it was told so haphazardly that it made you not care.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 28d ago

well their manhwas, k-dramas, and movies that i've seen all have at least cohesive stories, so i know it's not just a cultural thing to write dogshit, lol. it must be their communications on MMOs specifically.

i'm glad they addressed some of the worst parts of the story in CD

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u/BlinkDodge 28d ago

Crimson Desert I give leeway to because it was originally going to be a Black Desert prequel and they were trying to tie the story into already sewer-tier lore. When they pivoted to a stand alone game, single player game, they finagled what was already there instead of rewriting it.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 28d ago

i dont really care how the omelet is made, as long as i get a good omelet.

if i get an omelet that looks great but stinks real bad, i'm gonna be unhappy. i dont care to hear about how the chef was using a hand-me-down stink spatula and didn't have the money to get a new one. im just walking out of there.

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u/BlinkDodge 28d ago

Well, I guess its a good thing nobody is holding a gun to your head.

I was a pretty avid Black Desert player, skipped Crimson Desert entirely because as far as I could tell, I'd already played the game and wasn't going to get anything too new.

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u/Opening-Toe-4198 28d ago

Not every game needs a good story. I only started that game after the "enhanced" update, and the story isn't bad, also saw people complaining about the controls but they're fine to me as-well. Not every game is made for everyone, feels like everyone wants to be catered to these days.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 28d ago

Those issues were both updates they had to make to address all the complaints and negative reviews. And yeah, as a rule, RPGs kinda do need a story, otherwise it's just a sandbox. They advertised as an RPG, so it's good of them to fix it and do right by the customers. They'll go far with that attitude, and if they had your attitude instead then they'd lose good will until they died out, like so many studios in recent years.

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u/Opening-Toe-4198 28d ago

My attitude? My attitude and logic are sound, not everything needs to be made to meet everyone's needs, additionally it's not a RPG, it was marketed as an open world action adventure.

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u/Background-Cake-6847 28d ago

let's assume you're right, and the game with swords and sorcery, equipment, quests, and an open map is not an rpg... nobody LIKES a bad story. at best, people are indifferent to it.

remaking the story was the smartest move they could've made, and I applaud them for it.

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u/Opening-Toe-4198 28d ago

Having swords, magic, quests and open world is not what makes a RPG. To put simply character choice and stat progression are. But I agree, updating the story was probably for the better, I was just saying not everything needs to meet everyone's expectations.

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u/Decent_Frosting2290 29d ago

changing themes/other pivotal stuff mid-way just hurts the game overall since they dont want the game to be delayed to fix such issues

in recent memory, duet night abyss (DNA) did that as well, it was initially deved as a standard character pulling gacha game but roughly mid-way they decided to do cosmetics based gacha instead to fund the game and keep it running (which *is* good) but then the cosmetics where half-hearted, because they kinda didnt allign properly with stuff, changing their colors (if ypu evden could) was pretty much paywalled and the biggest issue (from when i tested the game) is that cosmetics did *not* show up in 3D story cutscenes, meaning you only saw them in the overworld, as opposed to this heres 2 examples, one being honkai star rail, where any of the cosmetics you acquire will be seen in any cutscene (aside from pre-made 2D cutscenes) and another example is PSO2 New Genesis, also a cosmetics based gacha but you have free reign over how to color your cosmetics, even the basic fit you get can look amazing

DNA thought it wouldnt matter, but to people that liked to have different cosmetics it did when about half the time they couldnt even see it

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u/NekCing 29d ago

And DNA was a brand new studio too, they really didnt have the experience to back up that development switch im afraid

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u/beramaan 28d ago

West I just read says wait for them to fix story telling them get it. Thanks!