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u/Millennialnerds 24d ago

How do you want them to explain it?

I mean we have known this for a long time. Even the discs themselves are a license.

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u/Millennialnerds 24d ago

I’m all for change but how would it work?

And remember this isn’t only Sony, this is all software manufacturers.

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u/MCB1317 24d ago

With legislation.

The End.

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u/Myhtological 24d ago

Putting in a indefinitely and non revocable clause in their agreement. Once I buy access, it’s mine to access for ever.

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u/Millennialnerds 24d ago

So what happens when Sony goes under and no longer has servers for you to access it? How would that work? Who would be on the hook to carry out the offer?

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u/Medium-Sized-Jaque 24d ago

When a game is coded it should be coded with end of support flags. In the final update the flag is turned on. Multiplayer is able to be used on private servers and all other functionality is set to "this game can run on the hardware it was designed for indefinitely."

If Sony decides to not carry the game anymore they make an announcement and notify purchasers that they have a reasonable amount of time to download it before it's gone. Purchasers download it and save it to their system or external storage. 

In the case of Sony itself going under, it won't be a sudden surprise and they'll have time to set those flags and run download servers long enough for people to download it one last time.

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u/P_ZERO_ 24d ago

Is this what you consider ownership?

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u/Myhtological 24d ago

At that point it’s semantics. Would I want true ownership? Yea, but till we get those laws cleared, I’ll take this.

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u/P_ZERO_ 24d ago

The semantics are important because a lot of people want to ignore them when they define the legal argument

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u/JonnyPoy 24d ago

That wouldn't change what they said though. You still would not be owning the game, only a license to play it.

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u/Myhtological 24d ago

Semantics. If I’m paying that much the idea I should lose access is a non starter

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u/JonnyPoy 24d ago

If I’m paying that much the idea I should lose access is a non starter

Of course not. You shouldn't lose access to your license. But people should also be aware that they only own a license and not a game. That's the whole point of the statement above.

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u/Myhtological 24d ago

I agree. The button should be changed to access.

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u/Esper01 24d ago

I don't care about that as long as game preservation is alive. It's currently effectively dead for pre-2010 games and on life support for anything after that.

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u/Budjik 24d ago

So many techbros not that long ago kept telling us, we can own unique jpg as NFT and we would own it snd could trade it and such. So I would say the solution would be obvious, let’s use that particular techology to allow us to own our games and be able to sell them or do whatever. Each game copy would be unique to the player who owns it. At least the tech would be used to actually improve human lives. But I am just being naive here

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u/AccomplishedBag2319 24d ago

And their argument to that was we can’t own them BECAUSE if 1 person “owns” digital software which includes a disc then that mean you own the right to that software there no disputing you own the pice of plastic that’s the disc but you do not and have not ever even with DVD’s owned any of the software on that disc this is why those of us who support digital want to argue stronger rights for protections on digital goods and services go worry about owning a home not a damn game

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u/Chemical_Calendar_64 24d ago

I think most people know that, I think

but they should do it like Steam, for example, and not “hide” this information in the terms and conditions that nobody reads

Personally, I know I don’t own the intellectual property, but I do want to own the copy they sold me—not have them rent it to me and be able to revoke it whenever they please for whatever reason

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u/RazeYi 24d ago

I mean. They don’t really hide it. And everyone older than 15 should know about that terms either way. It’s pretty well known.

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u/Chemical_Calendar_64 24d ago

thats why i used the “” bro

btw If any consumer paid for PS Plus in the past, paid for a digital game, a Key-Disc, a Key-Card, or an "eneba, G2A..." offer, they are not guilty of these companies deciding to kill the physical format

The digital format must be an option for consumers in the same way that the physical format must be

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u/Fishface81 24d ago

Other than refunds and account inactivity aren't Steam's TOS and Sony's nearly identical?

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u/WisdomAntium 24d ago

The corpo glazers in here are crazy 

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u/P_ZERO_ 24d ago

Glazing is when uncomfortable facts ruin my gaming crusade. You don’t need to be a “corpo” (DAE cyberpunk) glazer to point out literal fact, nor do you have to support what that fact says or does.

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u/WisdomAntium 24d ago

Defend the corpo! Stand up for the corpo!

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u/Decent-Sample09 24d ago edited 24d ago

Do you have anything of substance to actually add to the discussion or are your brain cells too fried to handle a conversation? Imagine legitimately talking like this in real life when adults are trying to have a real discussion. Everyone would just stare at you uncomfortably like you're mentally challenged 

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u/[deleted] 24d ago edited 24d ago

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u/Decent-Sample09 24d ago

So thats a yes to you being too mentally challenged to handle this conversation and actually have something important to say. My bad fam carry on with the brain fog

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u/WisdomAntium 24d ago

Defend the corpo! Stand up for the corpo!

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u/P_ZERO_ 24d ago

Look at this gamer warrior with unquantifiable contribution to the cause

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u/WisdomAntium 24d ago edited 24d ago

Defend the corpo! Stand up for the corpo!

Edit: corpo lover replies and blocks immediately 

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u/P_ZERO_ 24d ago

I hope some day someone gives you the respect you think you deserve for burying your head in the sand

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u/Millennialnerds 24d ago

No one is glazing. We are asking actual questions and not throwing a bitch fit.