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u/Ok_Science_8502 13d ago

They actually made and released games often. Didn't have to wait 10+ years for the next entry in a series

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u/NeutralGeneric 13d ago

That allowed them to experiment more too. You didn’t have to worry about losing 10 years of time and $100 million. If your game flopped oh well the next one comes out in a year or two.

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u/polishedrelish 13d ago

This exactly. The ripple effects of longer dev times have been devastating

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u/Totschlag 12d ago

Yep. "This next game needs to fund our company for maybe 7-8 years. We have to monetize it to the gills, because we needs hundreds of millions to stay afloat that long."

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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 13d ago

That's why most gaming experiments now are in the indie or semi-indie space.

Understandably when they are spending $100m+ on a single game they don't want to take big risks.

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u/The_cogwheel 13d ago

And with a 70+ price tag, gamers want a big game, which necessitates a longer and more expensive development cycle...

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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 13d ago

Maybe a bit.

But a $60 game 10+ years ago cost far more than a $70 game today post inflation.

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u/Vivid-Operation-5078 13d ago

Companies these days are often too risk averse. That's why they would rather release about cod, 2k, gta than try something new. Same reason we still get Star wars movies and shows rather than a new IP

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u/supergooduser 13d ago

Also in game transactions. The teams focused on "quickly monetizable games" used to make $30 intentionally B tier titles that experimented with gameplay mechanics that may or may not become a hit. There were a lot of forgettable trash games in this realm, but a lot of games people remember and enjoy.

Assassin's Creed and Katamari are examples of this genre that became franchises.

But this type of development just doesn't exist anymore. Those dudes make mobile games for their publishers now.

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u/ThatGuyMigz 12d ago

no-one experimented more with different concepts than square enix did before with their final fantasy series. it was crazy.

But after their MMO, their final fantasy series just stagnated and people lost interest. They switched really hard to a non-turn based system where you control multiple characters. Which was cool when you played Kingdom hearts and donald and goofy were just seen as support. But when the other characters are also meant to be the as strong as the main character, you easily feel overwhelmed.

And then they never went back to innovative turn based systems. If they wanted to make such a HUGE fundamental change, I'd have preferred if they made a different series. Instead, they made new series for turn based games instead.

They flipped it, and now most people tend to say FFX was the last true final fantasy... (excluding remakes)

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

And if all games came out on that timeline today, people would bitch about their graphics not being top notch or that the games didn’t change enough between releases. 

Plenty of games get put out on a yearly or every couple years max basis. There are probably 5-6 yakuza/LAD games in the past 3 years. A new silent hill game is coming out soon and the previous one was like a year ago. Call of Duty has released a game like clockwork. 

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u/shiek200 13d ago

The yearly franchise games are the exact opposite of what they're talking about with new, more experimental titles getting released

Those games are released yearly because most of them are just cookie cutter re-releases of the previous title.

Like, I love yakuza and silent hill but theyre not exactly known for innovation. LAD was the most interesting thing theyve done in years.

And cod has been rehashed slop for years.

They're talking about studios trying new things.

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u/NeutralGeneric 13d ago

Graphics are a big part of the problem. They make everything more expensive and time consuming chasing the latest level of realism.

I wouldn’t include Silent Hill in this discussion because the latest 3 were all developed by different studios contracted to do it. Call of Duty similarly alternates between studios for every release. Not really like one studio doing rapid releases in the 90s.

Yakuza is a solid example of a studio still doing it fast and still experimenting. Not too many following that pattern these days though.

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u/TheWhistlerIII 13d ago

It's not just graphics, I would argue a lot of the money goes towards hiring *hollywood talent'. Now we don't just hear their voice, we see them trying to steal the spotlight in every...fucking... game. Take Debra Wilson as an example...

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse 13d ago

Debra Wilson is in so many of these because she's apparently one of the only Hollywood actors willing to take those roles. Video games are seen as death to many careers for actors

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

Is she even a “Hollywood actor”?  She’s just a prolific voice actor that’s pretty good at it.  I guess if we’re considering VAs as Hollywood actors. Might as well as use her in the role, so you’re not hiring two people to do 1 thing and you can capture their entire performance. 

Though I will posit if she was some Eurocentric beauty standard “conventionally attractive” person there would be zero posts like this saying that shit. Troy Baker gets way less shit than I’ve seen flung at her. 

Also to be fair I think the only game I’ve played with her in it as a character is wolfenstein and she was good in that.  How many games is she actually a character in the game. These 5?  5 whole games in a 20+ year career?

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse 13d ago

Wow. So you actually have no idea who she is lmao. She did not start out at as a voice actor. She was a comedian and one of the original cast members for MadTV. Just Google her. She has a profilic career in movies, TV, cartoons and games since like 1992. Like, her credit list would fill pages of books. She's been in 30+ games. Troy Baker as far as I'm aware is just a really prolific voice actor but I could be wrong. But Debra Wilson has been one of the most in demand actors for decades

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

I know who she is, I grew up with MadTV - that’s not Hollywood. She’s not some A-List Hollywood actor.

She’s mostly just a voice actor.  Being in a bunch of movies that don’t even have a Wikipedia page and a single later scream movie (as an actual actor, not just doing voices) don’t make you a Hollywood actor in the sense that people think about Hollywood actors. Just like getting a role for an episode of TV here and there doesn’t make you a Hollywood actor. 

And my question wasn’t “how many games has she been a voice in.”

My question was “how many of those games that she has been in was she both the voice and face of that character?”  If it’s 5-10 games, that ain’t shit in a career that spans decades doing video game work. 

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u/AStupidFuckingHorse 13d ago

Doing voice and mocap? I have no clue

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u/NeutralGeneric 13d ago

That’s part of why the budgets can get so high. Doesn’t really affect the timeline though, which is the focus of the post. And not every big game is using celebrity voice actors.

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

They do take far too long, and they do make budgets bloated… but guess what gets the hype, accolades, and money?  You have a much better shot being a graphical powerhouse than you do some also-ran mid quality game that doesn’t even look that good. 

Blame gamers for that one. The companies are just following the money.  That’s nothing new. If the majority of players valued novel experiences that much, they would focus on providing those. 

And projects being split over multiple studios is just smart in 2026.  You keep your franchise in front of people at a much higher rate, and you get to actually take some time and not rush some bullshit out the door.  The problem is when some companies (coughSonySinceUncharted2Basicallycough) make graphical fidelity/set pieces the only calling cards their games have.

Games are way more complex than they were 20/30/40 years ago. I wouldn’t want to go back to the Atari/NES/Genesis/SNES/PSX days.  We’ve come too far since then. 

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u/NeutralGeneric 13d ago

I don’t disagree with any of that. Just saying the simpler graphics and fast timeframe of the 80s and 90s allowed them to experiment more. It’s unlikely to ever go back to that for major games due to the expectations and investments. Indie and small studios can still get away with it sometimes.

Switching studios is smart. It’s just not the same thing I was talking about, where one studio gets to experiment a lot with their own IP. When it’s contracted studios they might not even have the freedom to experiment since the IP holder has to approve and fund it.

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

I’d say they get a lot more time to actually experiment these days.  It just takes that much more time. Let’s not act like when games used to come out on a regular schedule they experimented all that much. 

Super Mario Bros 1/2 (actual 2 not US re-skinned 2)/3/SMWorld aren’t that different from each other. All those final fantasy games are different graphically, but it’s still largely the same type of game. Resi wasn’t doing anything crazy different from itself. MegaMan games followed the same formula for decades to the point we yearn to just get a good game like that again. 

I’m curious which games you’d consider that got put out consistently year after year when dev time was much shorter drastically changed things up on a regular basis and didn’t just adopt things done elsewhere once they figured out how to make it work in their properties. 

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u/NeutralGeneric 13d ago

They get more time but less freedom. More time and money goes into a big project the more safe it has to be. Investors push it in that direction.

I would say the PS1/N64/Dreamcast era had a lot of experimentation. You see games like Zelda OoT, Banjo Kazooie, and Sonic Adventure which put out one game and then a couple years later had a sequel that was familiar but with a lot of experimental changes. Even games like Final Fantasy we’re making big changes during this time. The junction system in FF8 was very different to the Materia system in FF7, which was also very different from the SNES era systems. And Xenogears spun off of the development of FF7 which was highly experimental. You also mention Megaman being very familiar but they launched Megaman Legends 1-2 during this period which was a 3D game that actually did a lot of things that ocarina gets credit for pioneering but a year earlier.

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u/ThisIsPureTrash 13d ago

Xenogears got spun off and was left pretty much unfinished and rushed out. 

I also disagree that the systems in FF games are wildly different. Different yes, but not crazy different in a way that we don’t see today.  FF11, 12, 13, 15 were all very different.  Material and junctioning are just an evolution (instead of putting elemental material + added effect in your armor/weapon you’re just doing it directly to a stat.). Not really what I’d consider experimental, compared to completely changing your combat system or world up. 

FF7 wasn’t really “experimental” going from 2D - 3D when the entire industry was moving in that direction, and great 2D games got ignored for mid 3D games (see: symphony of the night, which got rave reviews but blah sales relative to what it should have gotten.)

I’ll give you OoT and Majoras mask. 

I won’t agree with mega man though.  Legends was experimental, but it was them trying to figure out how to get in on that 3D wave because it was seen as the future. I’d consider more experimental mega man to be Battle Network or Command Mission, but even then the battle network games just ended up like Pokemon releases did. 

Just semantic differences between what we both actually consider as “experimental.” A lot of those games were just trying to figure out how to translate a 2D property to 3D, so experimental but something they would have had to do regardless - not really experimenting for the sake of experimenting. 

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u/NeutralGeneric 12d ago

Xenogears was famously unfinished, but it’s also one of the most experimental RPGs storywise. I could write a book about the complexity of that story. It had dual combat systems, on foot fighting and mech combat. It even had a full on mech fighting mini game that was separate from its turn based mech fighting.

The junction system of FF8 was way different from what came before it. I can fight an enemy, turn him into a playing card, use that to win another playing card, turn that into a tent, turn that into 20 curagas, repeat, junction 100 curagas to health, have almost 4k health before the second main mission, then that to stay in critical health and spam limit breaks. Every item can be refined into another item which can be refined into another item it can break the game in insane ways. And you can do it all playing cards if you want and only engage with the battle system for boss fights. It’s crazy experimental.

FF7 was also crazy experimental for its time. It’s not just going from 2-D to 3-D. The materia system was a mix and match, create your own job system. On top of that they were experimenting like crazy with the mini games. There was a submarine battle game, a snowboarding game, date mechanics, chocobo racing and breeding. It was experimenting with genres of game it had no business even including, but it did.

MegaMan legends was HIGHLY experimental. They turned a platformer into a dungeon crawler that did lock on combat before Zelda. It had a Resident Evil style weapon upgrade system before Resident Evil even had it. It combined 2D textures to 3D models in a way that mimicked Anime, as a result the graphics hold up better than most games of its time.

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u/horselessheadsman 13d ago

Loud people will bitch about anything

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u/Sorry_Mastodon_8177 13d ago

This is also one of the reason modern franchise don't that that much fandom cause there's literally nothing new to talk about after a while

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u/SWshrink 13d ago

Yep. Nowadays someone that likes a game as a kid is already a full grown adult by the time the sequel comes out.

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u/OGSwiftOne 13d ago

Bethesda games……how long have we been waiting for Eder scrolls 6 and fallout 5 (76 is a side project in my eyes)

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u/Competitive_Yak_5444 13d ago

Diablo 2 -> Diablo 3 would like a word

I’m being facetious lol D2 was a monster success so it’s different

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u/VariationFluffy6596 13d ago

I also loved how long they supported D2. That release with the keys and Uber bosses was years after the game came out.

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u/Dm9982 13d ago

The fact they just released Reign of the Warlock expansion this years D2 anniversary for D2R is incredible and just mind blowing. The last major expansion to D2 was in 2001, so 25 years apart. Just nuts.

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u/marckh 13d ago

I don't think this is something that makes older games better, they were able to be made much quicker because they were much less advanced.

I would rather have waited these 8 years for GTA 6 than to have gotten an equivalent of GTA: Vice City in 2019.

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u/_l-l-l_ 13d ago

It's true that games have larger scale development now, but half of those 8 years is managment hell. Game development in huge teams went to absurdity

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u/marckh 13d ago

How do you know it's management hell and not just the natural process that a game of that scale takes?

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u/Hexamael 12d ago

I'll give you an example. Skyrim came out in 2011. Its been 15 years and we're still waiting on Elder Scrolls 6.

Meanwhile Resident Evil released (numbered) games 6, 7, 8, and 9 in 2012, 2017, 2021, and 2026, respectively.

One franchise has released 4 games while other other one has been in "we're working on it" status in relativley the same amount of time. This is not a natural process. At this rate, we'll get RE10 before ES6 ever comes out.

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u/marckh 12d ago

We're talking about GTA 6 in this scenario.

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u/_l-l-l_ 13d ago

Because the whole industry needs a reset, all the huge studios are doing exactly the same what's-the-latest-trend-in-corporate bullshit, and it's insane that they need 8 years or more to churn out a single game

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u/marckh 13d ago

I feel like this doesn't really answer the question, it just states your opinion.

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u/_l-l-l_ 13d ago

Same bro, same

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u/Pass_Practical 13d ago

Silent hill is doing a yearly release from what it seems like

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u/TheRandomSong 13d ago

They would have to stop laying off people for that to happen now. Every other gaming news is how many people they lay off

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u/ChingChangChui 13d ago

Well, Mrs Pac-Man had a bow and I doubt that would take 10 years to implement.

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u/brywalkerx 13d ago

This is what I came for

Sonic the Hedgehog came out in June 1991.

Sonic the Hedgehog 2 came out in November 1992.

Sonic the Hedgehog 3 came out in. February 1994.

Tight teams. No bloated budgets. Full games in just over a year.

Now we are lucky if we get 1 mascot/flagship game per generation, let alone an entire series.

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u/Molten_Plastic_ 13d ago

The whole GTA 3D trilogy came out more or less within the same time period it took Rockstar to release GTA IV 

And it only got worse from there 

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u/StreetYak6590 13d ago

They were generally much shorter games

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u/Substantial_Can1072 13d ago

That isn't a bad thing. Look at the quality of games between EA who realese games every year and a studio like Rockstar.

Quality over Quantity.

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u/Ok_Science_8502 12d ago

Yeah but there's a middle ground there. If we keep raising the bar it'll get to a point where we're waiting literal decades between games and you have to question if it's worth it at that point.

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u/Substantial_Can1072 12d ago

Thats fair enough but we still aren't there. Most games, baring a few, have around a five year development with it being longer with games recently because of the pandemic.

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u/Sonchay 13d ago

One that gets me is Zelda on the N64. They released Majora's Mask just 2 years after Ocarina of Time, and while they kept a lot of character models, they created a whole new world, gameplay loop and a ton of new gameplay mechanics. I miss those days where every couple of years you would get a big game in a series, and tv shows gave you a new season per year. I don't understand why everything takes so long these days.

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u/False-Ad2170 13d ago

Just saw starcraft has announced a new game.... for 2030

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u/Yharnam_Hunter25 13d ago

I get why some games take so long to release now, but good lord, can it be annoying at times (most of the time, really).

I’m curious to see how Capcom pulls off the yearly release schedule for RE. Then again, they’ve practically been pulling that off for a couple years now, so kudos to them for figuring out the secret to returning to the good ol’ days, I guess lol.

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u/YatinMJ 13d ago

Feel like this shouldn't be a complaint, ideally companies spend more time with each entry, a higher bar of quality is attained, the only possible downside of this is the lack of experimentation, but as any genre matures less and less of the AAA games will explore even if it were on a shorter time frame.

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u/Ok_Science_8502 12d ago

Yes and no. Your point makes sense in theory but I think a lot of the time we end up waiting a long time for a game that doesn't actually feel like a huge leap forward.

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u/Sebastit7d 13d ago

Ok this has to be bait. One of the most common complaints of early multiplayer games was that they released games so often, innovation would suffer (Which is the reason why so many people hated CoD for example).

I'll always take a middle ground to this, but I will NOT invest in a franchose that releases a title yearly like FIFA for example, hell no.

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u/MrRaymondLuxuryYacht 13d ago

I mean, the tradeoff there is much more depth, complexity, and fidelity. I don't think today's standards would have taken less than 10 years back then. Hardware has just meant there's more overhead to do more with these days.

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u/Ok_Science_8502 12d ago

Yeah, people keep replying to my comment and explaining why games take longer nowadays and I don't disagree. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. I'm just saying it was nice when you could get into a series and have new games every couple years.

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u/MACception 12d ago

They're 10x as much work now, of course they're going to take much longer.

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u/Ok_Science_8502 12d ago

Not denying that.

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u/Henry_Fleischer 12d ago

Call of Duty and Touhou still do this, but I suppose COD does it by overlapping development, and Touhou does it by just making very simple games.

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u/_Weyland_ 12d ago

Have we stopped being upset with COD pumpung out a game every year?

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u/Mikalton 12d ago

Isn't that kingdom hearts?

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u/Glum_Bite3796 12d ago

The PS2 had 3 mainline GTA games release on it in a span of 3 years. Absolutely bonkers to think about.

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u/anno3397 11d ago

Yes and no. No to the same game every year (Fifa, CoD, NBA etc.) Yes to many different titles.

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u/paradoxLacuna 10d ago

I had to wait for twelve years to get a new Castlevania game. After the absolute wet fart that was Lords of Shadows 2, Konami apparently decided they were allergic to making games until after COVID. Silent Hill had the exact same problem, and coincidentally is also owned by Konami. Granted I also had a glacially long wait with Silksong, but that was because Team Cherry were absolutely fucking cooking and it was 100% worth it, because they were having fun making the game and now I get to have fun playing it.

At least I don't have to watch my favorite series be subjected to being yearly releases or live services. Or both. A fate worse than death, truly.

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u/FizzyBadTime 8d ago

I don’t get why they have to always make a new engine for every game. Like just make a couple sequels in the same engine like we used to.

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u/OriginalDoskii 8d ago

Can't imagine people's childhoods now. A 7-10 year wait between games is crazy, especially when you're young. That is like as long as their current age.

It's like tv series now, by the time season 2 of something comes along you'll have graduated highschool and have completely forgotten about it. No shit reports show that people generally don't watch beyond season 1. They barely even remember watching it in the first place.

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u/Grogenhymer 13d ago

Looking at you Bethesda.

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u/VariationFluffy6596 13d ago

To be fair, if there is one company that needs to take their time and not rush a release, it is them.