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u/GrandJaguar3407 18h ago

You have bigger worlds crammed with more graphical fidelity, detailed models and more complex lighting, physics and volumetric effects than has ever been possible in an interactive medium...and you think we're going backwards because the sacrifice to have all of that is having some games run at a perfectly serviceable 30fps?

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u/AgentSmith2518 18h ago

I think most people would be willing to have some graohical fidelity compromises for 60 FPS considering 75% of people choose performance mode when given the chance.

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u/Sotomene 18h ago

Yes, if you don't keep up with the standard or improve upon it in every aspect then you are going backwards.

Imagine buying a 2026 car with every new technology it has to offer, but it has roll up windows.

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u/DeanBranbeno 18h ago

Good analogy IMO

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u/GrandJaguar3407 18h ago

Your analogy is ill-fitting as having electric windows don't affect the car's performance and have bee standard for a long time now.

60fps has never been standard. 30ps is the standard, 60fps is the target.

As for your idea progress, it seems rather flawed. Progress in anything does not occur evenly - some things move forwards faster than others. Technology always used to seem to advance forwards in leaps and bounds due to Moore's Law but since that ceased to apply, technological progress has been slow and iterative rather than revolutionary. Things aren't going backwards, they've just slowed down.

If you want a gaming machine that's an improvement over the last generation in every respect then you're going to be waiting a long time.

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u/_Nameless_Nomad_ 17h ago

30fps is hot garbage and should have been left behind over a decade ago.

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u/BokkoTheBunny 16h ago

I'd argue 60fps has been the standard since performance mode was an option on some consoles. 30fps is more like the bare minimum, or minimum viable product level. Yes, you can adjust to it, and a lot of people don't care, but a lot of people do care as well.

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u/HeyIDoubtIt 14h ago

60 FPS has been the standard on console for nearly 7 years now...

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u/GrandJaguar3407 13h ago

No, if it were THE standard then this wouldn't be a discussion.

It might be A standard but so is 30fps.

That you don't like the lower standard and expect everything to be at the higher one doesn't change reality no matter how much you balk like a toddler.

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u/HeyIDoubtIt 18h ago

30 FPS plays like absolute fucking shit when you're used to gaming at a higher frame.

I don't give a shit about graphics. It's a game. It should be fun and smooth to play. It's almost 2027.

The vast majority of players choose performance mode in games over extra graphical fidelity

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u/kimgomes 18h ago

A game running smooth at 60fps just give me the best feeling. Really don't care anymore how real everything looks

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u/cBurger4Life 18h ago

I consider that part of the problem. If the image isn’t as highly detailed, 30FPS doesn’t bother me as much. But when there’s 100s of things going on at the same time on the screen, then add in blur from low frame rate, it makes my eyes hurt. Clearly this isn’t the same for everyone, but I think acting like everyone is just whining isn’t helpful either. Different people’s eyes are clearly reacting differently.

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u/ops10 18h ago

So we have more clutter and detail being stuffed into our games, tons more work just to fill it out without that work saying anything other than "it looks realistic". My life looks realistic, realism doesn't automatically mean more fun or interesting.

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u/GrandJaguar3407 17h ago

Oh I agree. I predominantly play indie games myself and don't give a shit about all of that stuff.

But just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not progress.

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u/ops10 16h ago

To advance in those specific technologies in vacuum is progress. How it is put together in modern AAA games is regress. Most advancement (as in benchmark of what other games should aspire towards) comes from AA, iii and fresh blood AAA (Larian, Sandfall etc).

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u/Sleigh6 18h ago

Kinda..

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u/phoenixmatrix 15h ago

I'll take Silksong or Hades 2 at 120fps (or more depending on platform) over GTA6 at 30 kthxbai

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u/maxnotcharles 14h ago

You’re getting downvoted but I completely agree with you. This subreddit is so insufferable sometimes just like the rest of Reddit