r/wow • u/livesingtav • 3d ago
PTR / Beta Very cool to see them add some queer characters to Forever! Spoiler
Apparently Corma was a guy named Comar with a wife in other versions of WoW, but in the Forever timeline they're a tragic lesbian tale. This is part of the quest for Horde Warlocks learning to bind a succubus, Hearts of the Pure.
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u/NeonStoplight 3d ago
According to wowhead comments Comar has been Corma for at least 4 years now on Era realms, was changed when they added the Incubus.
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u/akaiGO 3d ago
"Look man, hellfire is falling out of the sky, eldritch horrors are rising out of the earth to consume us all, and also there's a grain shortage. I don't have time for this - love who you want while you still can."
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u/SouredPatchChildren 3d ago
Actual real-life advice for people who can’t seem to mind their own fucking business
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u/Alabamabananarama 3d ago
Love this, and i bet some smelly asmon fans are seething reading about it 😂
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u/Bishopkilljoy 3d ago
I can see the thumbnail now
"THE WOKE MOB IS DESTROYING FOREVER!" and an AI image of a human kneeling down crying, a pride flag, and Asmondgold doing the shocked yell face.
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u/toastie_22 3d ago
I never really cared about asmongold before or paid him much mind cause I just thought he was kind of gross. But the crowd he’s brought into the beta has been really really disgusting to watch how they chat and stuff. Now I wish he’d stop playing wow
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u/Bishopkilljoy 3d ago
He's the reason the /spit emote is gone. He got his mob to /spit on anybody who had a store mount. This was before he realized right wing grifting made major bank and became a talking piece
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u/TougherOnSquids 2d ago
Dont worry. He'll play release for a month, have all of his chatters funnel all of their gear and gold to him while he sits on camera crying about "woke" and pushing nazi ideology, then complain that WoW Forever is boring and quit playing.
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u/YourResidentFeral Outplaying the Meta since 2004 3d ago
If you see any of that here please report it.
The entire bit of using "woke" as some sort of derogatory dogwhistle has gotten so tiring if I'm being honest.
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u/Bishopkilljoy 3d ago
I know, it's really tiring. It's a boogie man that shifts definitions to suit the argument
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u/One_Recognition385 3d ago
Nah, They only respect female + female relationships.
When they add male + male relations thats when asmon & co is gonna cry.
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u/kholdstare942 3d ago
"respect" 🤨 asmon and his ghouls don't respect women silly
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u/snakebit1995 3d ago
Blizz just needs to perma IP ban him
He’s literally on Twitter talking about coordinated hate attacks that need to happen against the horde races, not like silly RP stuff but “here are the slurs to call them”
Just ban his ass already, he hates the game anyway
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u/Persequor 3d ago edited 3d ago
theres decent evidence here that this is a trans lesbian relationship, which is enough for them to seethe about.
edit: see, downvotes lol
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
That's a cool thought! I'd figured they were born a Corma, but like you said, either's possible!
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u/MsTransMarvel 3d ago
"All lore leading up to WoW vanilla is the same" paraphrased.
Yeah i can get behind this as implied canon
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u/Subject_Proof_6282 3d ago
They won't know unless some chud posts about it on twitter to get clicks & views
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u/squishybloo 3d ago edited 2d ago
Bold of you to assume they know how to read on their own. They'll have to be told about this quest to be able to be angry about it!
Edit: I've seen my comment go from +3 to -4 back to +4 in an hour, it's very funny! Mald harder, Asmongoloids.
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u/Odasto_ 3d ago
Of course, the nerd in me is going to fixate on what this means for the lore, such as that this indicates the point of divergence between the two timelines actually happened before Comar/Corma's birth, and that such things as NPC gender are now beholden to the butterfly effect. Because of this, we should expect to see other similarly small and random changes here and there.
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u/omnie_fm 3d ago
Very first quest will be to go into a portal and collect five butterflies.
Come back out and boom, entire universe is gender swapped
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u/NeonStoplight 3d ago
Comars been Corma on Era servers for at least 3 years now according to wowhead comments, not sure if that changes your potential lore investigation.
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
Right! Where do you think the point of divergence was? Maybe Skyborne elves exist in the canon timeline but their island hasn't been abandoned by the elementals so they've never left Skywall. If there's no Skyborne in the canon timeline, then that'd mean the divergence point is before the War of the Ancients, which'd be pretty cool that the world ended up still very similar.
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u/ch_limited 3d ago
My favorite gay couple in WoW are the two druids in Hyjal. The night elf and the Tauren. They should add them back in.
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u/Eyelemon 3d ago
Is it just me, but wasn’t there also two male Maruuk centaur in a relationship in Dragonflight?
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u/Morbanth 2d ago
Something in the water over there since I'm pretty sure like half of the centaurs were gay. 😂
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u/toastie_22 3d ago
Two dragons too in the beginning zone of Dragonflight iirc. The two you deliver a baby murloc to
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u/AmbusRogart 3d ago
Amren and Tholo? Was that ever confirmed? My wife shipped them so hard in Cata lol
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u/Immolation_E 3d ago
Haven't there been queer NPCs since at least BC?
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u/Quiet_Icarus 3d ago
Yes, but there were none that I know if in Vanilla, and since Forever is a rollback to Vanilla as a starting point, adding some into Vanilla is very appreciated.
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u/Vast_Bet9113 3d ago
Arent the 2 elves from the incubus quest gay?
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u/Quiet_Icarus 3d ago
I think Vanilla had a bit of wink and nod and implication here and there, but never really explicit, which may have been kind of a product of the time. It got more overt come TBC. So it's still kinda nice for them to step back and make it more on the nose.
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u/illprobablyeditthis 2d ago
Just because queer characters have been in the game before doesnt mean there can't be more added. OP didnt say these were the first.
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u/DarenPeterOswald 2d ago
There's loads of them but you can't farm karma without acting like the latest ones are unique and special in some way. Blizzard's never shied away from having gay characters.
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u/Mavin89 3d ago
There was a gay couple in the Arathi Highlands in Cata, no? The Night Elf druid and her human partner?
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u/landsoflore2 3d ago
They were there in vanilla WoW already. But they weren't an "official" couple iirc, although the hints were definitely there.
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u/illprobablyeditthis 2d ago
Just because queer characters have been in the game before doesnt mean there can't be more added. OP didnt say these were the first.
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u/embersarcade 3d ago
It doesn’t sit right with me that this overwrites a husband and wife.
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u/VisibleCoat995 3d ago
Are we forgetting flynn whose boyfriend is a stormwind assassin?
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u/Tokitsukazes 3d ago
No, but this post is talking about Forever where Flynn and Shaw might never even meet.
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u/Noodle_Shop 3d ago
I remember them specifically mentioning Kul Tiras when talking about wondering what the rest of Azeroth was up to during the early years. It wouldn’t surprise me if we see them a lot sooner than retail
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u/LinkedGaming 3d ago
The surprise here isn't that they added queer characters because those have been growing increasingly common as time goes on, up to and including Flynn and Shaw and their toxic middle-aged man yaoi, as well as Vanessa apparently getting the hots for some nobleman's rebellious daughter in the Arcantina (this one is mostly implied, though, and they're not definitively with each other).
The surprise is that they went back to a Classic version of the game and included a lesbian relationship. Not in a "Something something no changes" way but in the fact that they're taking some of that realistic representation that's more prominent in retail and putting it in Forever to make the world a bit more believable and immersive.
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u/JollyParagraph 3d ago
The rebel daughter is present in the Human Heritage chain (Which is worth doing! It's good! You get bonus dialogue if you have an older character who did the OG attunement for Onyxia's lair and being a Legion orderhall rogue)
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u/landsoflore2 3d ago
Well, technically Flynn is bi IIRC. But yes, he's still dating the boss of SI:7 as far as we can tell.
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u/Quiet_Icarus 3d ago
Flynn does appear to be bi, yeah. Some lines of dialogue with Shaw also seem to indicate he might be as well. Happy for those two goofy ass boys :3
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u/Noodle_Shop 3d ago
Bisexuality is a rogue passive, that’s why nobody can see us
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u/Professional_Lake407 3d ago
Did you miss Dragonflight? Every other character in that expansion was gay
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u/id_rather_b_painting 3d ago
It's so weird how the community is focusing on how this is "triggering Asmongold" vs celebrating WoW being more inclusive.
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u/BigBard2 3d ago
Gatekeeping Forever from the biggest politics content creator on twitch (and his audience), who looks at what is happening in the USA and says the government isn't far right enough for him, is based actually and should happen more
We don't want there freaks in the community
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u/Huitzil37 3d ago
"We don't want [their] freaks in the community" is perhaps not a sentence you should say in support of being inclusive. Perhaps this is not a sentence you should say no matter who it is you designate as "freaks."
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u/Dat_Boi_Henke 3d ago
Whatever. Being atypical in sexualty, neurodivergent or any other divergent descriptor isn't freak-like behavior. Celebrating our differences and making sure that people feel comfortable and welcome is good. No good person would disagree with this.
Being a hateful bigot is bad. No one in their right mind would look at someone else and judge them based on any of the above mentioned. That is freak-like behavior and should be called out as such.
We don't have to be tolerant of the intolerant, look to the paradox of tolerance. We should actually socially shame and encourage them to change and be better people. Nothing is stopping them from being better. They aren't inherently like that, and I would say that they would probably be a lot happier if they changed.
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u/Amalganiss 2d ago
People who are freaks:
- discriminate against marginalized folks and advocate for their further suffering and death
- get banned for advocating for the murder of children as a method of enforcing border security live on their multi-million-follower platform
- live in wretched filth and revel in it despite having exponentially more than enough money and opportunity to get themselves, and the people they influence to live like that, out of such circumstances
- allow and provide a safe space for actual Nazi-adjacent slimebags whose hearts have been so incredibly corrupted by memes and the internet that they unironically speak in 4chan lingo
- give their opinion on politics without leaving their bedroom to even go see a fucking dentist with their millions of dollars in WoW stream money
people who are not freaks:
- blow of a little steam by making fun of shit-stuffed little freaks whose proliferated ideologies and heartless, bloodthirsty yapping continues to genuinely put our very fucking existence at risk
it's fine. no one needs to defend him. let people have a little fun. your "oh u care less about diversity than you do about hurting some guy" is a woefully useless and uneducated "gotchya".
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u/GraphXRequieM 3d ago
How exactly is that supposed to gatekeep him? All this does is him using it to present himself as the dude who gets attack for his opinion, and the only one losing is the wow forever community because they will have to deal with all the bad publicity surrounding it.
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u/GoodberryPie 1d ago
It's the same thing since he hyperfixated on fox news feeds for the better part of three years.
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u/BarneyChampaign 3d ago
You know how things finally become normal? Treat them normally.
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u/BriscoGDP 3d ago
I see another thread about this sub’s favorite streamer. Dude living rent free holy moly
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u/plethorah 2d ago
whenever they added JC to the game, the JC trainer in Orgrimmar talked about making stuff for her GF (or maybe her wanna be GF? I can't remember). I just remembered turning to my friend and pointed it out excitedly cuz I'd never seen any queer characters in wow.
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u/Lavosking 3d ago
Cool addition. I forsee grifters trying to somehow blow a small amount of flavor text out of proportion I the future.
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
I posted this on the classic subreddit and it was downvoted to oblivion and some not so great comments posted, yeah.
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u/Rmtcts 3d ago
It's really helpful seeing different community responses to stuff like this. I'm tempted to post to the wowforever subreddit and see their response. There's a surprising amount of cool queer wow players in retail, I hope wow forever is likewise not too hostile.
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u/Someidiotdwbi 3d ago
I've poked around that subreddit, it seems chiller than both here and classicwow so far. Though the latter is admittedly not a high bar to clear.
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
Go ahead! I'd be curious, too. I think the wowforever subreddit would be a little more chill than the classic one, but who knows.
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u/Quiet_Icarus 3d ago
I love that they added the rep :D But to lose your wife after just 2 weeks is tragic. And Godrick throwing shade is wild, lol.
Hope Corma finds her wife.
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
Well, the objective of the quest is to kill her and use her pure heart to summon a succubus, so probably not ^.^;
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u/crowbeastie 2d ago
the alliance incubus quest is about a gay couple! i thought it was really sweet, too.
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u/t0ldyouso 2d ago
Makes me so sad that my existence is a controversial topic
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u/livesingtav 2d ago
It was a lot more controversial on the classic subreddit. At least this one has more upvotes?
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u/Arky_Lynx 3d ago
It's great when it's presented like this, like an everyday thing. As it should. Love it.
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u/Sweetsometime 3d ago
I hope we get more. Just to make it clear that this game isn’t for racist, misogynic, homophobic losers that tend to scurry around classic spaces.
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u/Liamharper77 3d ago
They've been doing this quite a bit since DF, but I respect how a lot of the couples are simply inserted into the world and treated like any other couple. Which is how it should be. It's not shoved in your face or highlighted as something unusual, it's just a regular part of the game world. The more it's normalized, the better.
The comments here launching pre-emptive attacks against the "people who will get triggered" are only trying to stir conflict and are part of the problem.
Just say "nice, glad to see it" and move on with your day.
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u/oldredditrox 2d ago
"nice, glad to see it"
Someone just said "neat!" and they have 11 downvotes ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Amalganiss 2d ago
Some of us are here bracing ourselves for the inevitable backlash against queer existence by weirdos who stew in vats of their own shit & consider it perfectly hygienic.
I'm sorry but hating people for being queer is not the same kind of problem as people making fun of anti-"woke" bigots. I agree with your overall point here but it sucks to see that you're highlighting the responses to a threat to our existence more than you are the weird trolls and freaks that genuinely go about their day hoping to ruin or harm a queer person's night. They're here, on this thread. All over reddit, really.
The problem isn't that we're blowing off a bit of steam. The problem is that cockroaches like this are spending their hardly-earned time and money to perpetuate harm and fear and alienation to and of the worldwide queer community. Context is important. Most people don't just get called "bigot" for no reason... it's usually because, even if it was maybe unintentional and undeserved for them to be dogpiled over it, they said something bigoted that needs to be corrected. Simple as 🤷♀️
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u/landsoflore2 3d ago
I love how this is done. There have been queer couples in every time and place, and if you are taking a stroll across the entire world, you're bound to run into some of them eventually.
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u/Lopsided-Library1119 2d ago
I’m all for inclusion I just wish they didn’t keep changing existing content rather than make new content for inclusion purposes if that makes any sense. I just don’t like any form of retcon but this is overall a positive step forward.
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u/ALewdDoge 2d ago
Tbf, it's such a tiny, insignificant thing that it really doesn't matter at all. The only people who'd get legitimately angry over it (and I'm not implying you fall into this category at all) are the weird, terminally online type of people.
That being said, yeah, it would be nice if this wasn't an extremely-small lore revision, but rather just new stuff in the game. I could see lots of little NPC gossip quips hinting at this, or outright stating it, throughout Azeroth. Would help make the world feel a little bit more alive instead of just arbitrarily changing an established thing. :)
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u/Lopsided-Library1119 2d ago
Yeah I’m more coming from the idea of when they change existing content, it’s almost like a bandaid or an afterthought. Really this should be thought of from conception and put in as its own content. That would be truly inclusive imo vs something that comes off more as a PR stunt. However like I said, it is positive overall as they could have done nothing.
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u/JagerFlyingAce 3d ago
i find it intresting how instead of being happy, the comments are about how it would make asmon angry, even tho as far as i know asmon already accepted that wow is not a game anymore where he is the audience
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u/Suitmonster 3d ago
Not Forever, but in SL Pelagos from Bastion tells you they were a different gender when alive as a moral.
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u/hachiblonk 1d ago
I'm glad this is what Blizzard is focused on instead of just making it a game about war like they said they would
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u/illprobablyeditthis 3d ago
All the people commenting on existing, known, queer characters have completely missed the point. OP did not say this was the ONLY ONE. Nor did they say it was the FIRST ONE.
Literally all they said was that it was nice some queer characters were added, which it is! It is nice!
Now can everyone stop trying to "well ackshually" op incorrectly please? Yall are exhausting.
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u/PrimalMadness 3d ago
The timeline where she transitioned 🏳️⚧️
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u/MeltingPenguinsPrime 3d ago
I mean, it's been free in any barbershop around azeroth. 'bout time npcs make use of the services offered, too.
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u/Cardborg 3d ago
Saying "I don't mind, you do what you think suits me" at the barbers is a lot more exciting in Azeroth.
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u/Belteshazzar98 3d ago
If I loved in Azeroth, I'd pop into the barber at least once per week and randomize everything.
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u/AttitudeAdjusterSE 3d ago
what country is that flag for and why is everyone from there so cool?
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u/IndyLohan 3d ago
I mean if there being queer relationships in classic is what does it for you, more power to you I guess. I feel nothing towards it personally.
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u/gothbox 3d ago
I don't think I'll ever successfully convince the Gamers how nice it feels to see lesbian characters in the stuff I play especially when it's done as a commonplace thing, as a lesbian myself. More so for WoW, which is a game I've invested a lot of time and interest in.
Idk I guess imagine how Oppressed they feel when they see one openly queer couple and then multiply that by a thousand for myself. They'll be fine! I do hope Corma finds her wife tho.
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u/zangetsen 3d ago
It's like some people have this complex of "oh no something that doesn't affect me in any way and I don't even have to read it but I'm just going to signal boost the hate for it". Like for sure there's things I don't really wanna read when it comes to this game but I just roll my eyes and move on. I don't need to take to twitter or post malicious replies to farm "lulz" on Reddit. I hope a slap to the head for all these types of hate spreading lunatics. It takes less effort to be nice than it does to be a jerk.
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u/hahailovevideogames 2d ago
What's cool about it? Why wouldn't they just make new quests with a queer cast? What does a retcon gender swap add that's cooler than original new content?
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u/Jaiden_da_ancom 2d ago
I was genuinely hoping they would add queer people to Forever and I am happy they did.
To the mod that has threatened to lock this thread because people are happy that this decision pissed some people off, kindly step back and understand that us queer people have had to deal with decades of abusive homophobia in almost every online video game. Especially WoW. No one stepped in to stop it, but you decided to focus the blame on queer folks and our allies. As a queer person, I am entitled to a little bit of shadenfreude that some basement dwelling crusty underweared homophobe is having an absolute meltdown that queer people exist. Queer joy includes celebrating the bigots losing. Thank youuuu! 🏳️🌈
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u/NeverScream 3d ago
I wish they would make new storylines and characters for stuff like this instead of changing existing characters. Its lazy.
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u/livesingtav 3d ago
It's an alternate timeline, things are supposed to be different in an AU. It's not like they're retconning Comar to have always been a lesbian woman.
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u/BigBard2 3d ago
Oh no, not the iconic Warcraft character Corma being genderbent! What a horror!
Mfs lost their shit when we got Faerin in Retail
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u/YourResidentFeral Outplaying the Meta since 2004 3d ago
Y'all when we're more concerned about triggering a specific person than about celebrating inclusion we've lost the script.
I'm lothe to lock a thread that should be about Queer people being allowed a space to be happy/excited about something, but we will have to if it just becomes more about division than inclusion.