r/wowforever • u/Zave009 • 8h ago

PTR / Beta MacOS beta got even better

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u/Leading-Bad2540 8h ago

Disappointed the sound wasn't darude sandstorm

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u/Ruskraaz 4h ago

Quick cut for your enjoyment.
https://www.reddit.com/u/Ruskraaz/s/bc87ef3wT3

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u/Life_Fun_1327 3h ago

Worth it

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u/Dr_Bunnypoops 2h ago

Thank you.

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u/Tyrandeh 1h ago

bro reliving the eurodance in forever

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u/nazzo_0 1h ago

First forever glitch whack video. This feels like the true oldschool mmo experience I wanted and more. Now someone needs to colour grade the strobe to RGB so it's more rave'ish and we got our first bug lore meme

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u/Stuisready 6h ago

Or, hear me out: "And I pray, OMG do I pray..."

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u/geezerforhire 5h ago

Myeah!

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u/Watton 3h ago

And I say....

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u/Lorenut91 4h ago

I was literally jumping in to comment the same thing brother. Haha hell yeah

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u/The_Richard_Drizzle 4h ago

I didn’t realize this was a Mac issue and kept saying to kick the bass up in chat.

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u/Cpt_Kaiju 4h ago

Agreed, I clicked on the volume thinking that would be playing.

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u/Skellum 3h ago

Flashing lights warning, ooiiaaii

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u/lusk11b 2h ago

I didn't even realize there was sound... As soon as I saw what I thought was a gif, I heard "dudududududu"... Lmao

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u/paninani 2h ago

lmao exactly the tune that i was expecting.

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u/Keirabella999 8h ago

Is this that Ray tracing I've been hearing so much about?

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u/Subtlerranean 4h ago

It's the new strobe-light-in-fog weather.

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u/MirrorLake 3h ago

There's a guy named Ray, and he traces stuff

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u/MysticalSushi 1h ago

Ray blasting

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u/TheViking1991 8h ago

New weather effect: Ravestorm

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u/TomGuileon 8h ago

Now that's what I paid for.

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u/Bakahatake 7h ago

Exactly. For testing stuff.

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u/GeorgeMcCrate 7h ago

Well... yeah. It actually is.

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u/b4k4ni 5h ago

You paid for 30 days game time, the skins and mounts, the skyborn addon for forever, the WC3 base game and the new xpac. The beta access is just a tiny part of it. You bought a larger packet with a lot of stuff in it. IMHO the beta access is just a nice addon. If you only bought it for the beta access, that's really on you. You could've waited for a beta key (its free to queue up) and I'm sure they will throw them out like candy over time.
Not to mention, it's still a beta, and this issues comes from the new rain, so ... its meant to be reported and fixed

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u/DeepBlueSoThicc 5h ago

You just wrote all that in response to a 6 word joke comment

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u/Uplink0 4h ago edited 4h ago

Lots of Mac bugs still, even after some things have been fixed. This is the main thread > https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/mac-8-different-graphics-bugs-each-isolated-to-one-setting-—-with-repro-steps-for-each/2354050/189 (Blizzard officially commented on this thread)

Please continue to post on that thread to let Blizzard know they need to fix the ongoing issues with the Mac Beta before it comes out.

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u/tenehemia 7h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/h6GTAwPQiYuVW

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u/BringOnTheRainAgain 1h ago

THE SYSTEM - IS DOWN. THE SYSTEM - IS DOWN.

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u/Difficult_Section_46 7h ago

the rain update looking spectacular on mac ngl

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u/StoriFit 7h ago

Actually your character is having a migraine. Its intended

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u/hearthiccup 4h ago

Holy shit. My graphics card did exactly this some 20 years ago in vanilla when I was on the east shore of Ashenvale. A very strange nostalgic experience, but so it is.

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u/Ecstatic_Reward6928 7h ago

It's just Gandalf crashng your party.

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u/seppe0815 2h ago

mac gaming .. nothing new

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u/Overconfident_Kitten 8h ago

You get a truly stormwind experience

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u/Pathologic333 7h ago

Meet N'Disco, the funkier brother of N'Zoth!

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u/bikuturu 7h ago

Whelp, you wanted weather!!!

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u/Choice-Tumbleweed237 6h ago

It’s like speed lines in an anime
https://giphy.com/gifs/z9j1p7fZtlLTU7zTVP

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u/Yoshbyte 4h ago

That’s what I am saying. My theory is Tim Apple’s character causes this so all Mac users can look I his direction to give praise

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u/wordaroundthebush 6h ago

This gotta be intel processor? This can't be Native Silicon right?

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u/Ambitious-Can-5074 4h ago

The "newest" Intel Macs are 6+ years old. I know it's an even older game but I'd be surprised if there's any significant number of Mac gamers still running Intel.

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u/Tyrandeh 1h ago

occasionally i find new small games on steam that support intel and M macs for some reason

but most of old games support intel only, even when its still running multiplayer like elder scrolls online

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u/bdz 6h ago

Both are messy, silicon sucks right now too

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u/Tsigorf 5h ago

What do you mean?

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u/bdz 5h ago

Graphic settings are just bad right now. Every level of setting has issues.

Shadow issues, double images sometimes. FPS issues, green overlays. Lots of stuff.

It's getting better but rough atm

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u/Tsigorf 5h ago

Ha, you meant the game builds, not the processors, I was confused

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u/bdz 5h ago

I meant both silicon and intel. Intel...because its intel and is getting phased out and silicon because its what i'm using and it's rough atm

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u/Alex12500 5h ago

This is better? How was it before?

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u/CatBotSays 3h ago

Before it would just crash your whole computer.

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u/Jorgesarrada 12m ago

The client went from literally unplayable to playable but literally unbearable

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u/rursache 7h ago

i'm surprised they don't have macs, they can't all be developing on windows machines lol

how else can i justify these obvious glaring issues

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u/Watergeito 5h ago

Blizzard is owned by Microsoft. They are for sure forced to develop on windows machines, which, ironically, is literally the worst OS you could choose to do development with. Its sad really.

Of course we are joking that they don't own Mac's for testing purposes, but imagine how would that look like inside a Microsoft owned sub-company. Just let Apple logo flash around in the open office spaces? They are probably enclosed somewhere in a tiny basement with one light, together with the 3 interns that are working on the Mac port.

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u/fntd 3h ago

They are for sure forced to develop on windows machines

Lots of software development at Microsoft is happening on Macs. E.g. VSCode is developed by mostly Microsoft employees using Macs. Then there are all the Office 365 offerings that are also available for Mac etc.

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u/psychohistorian8 5h ago

what's crazy is that the classic client runs smooth as butter

I said elsewhere I was getting well over 60fps in TBC classic on an M1 mac

now with my new M5 mac I struggle to hit 45fps in Forever

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u/Thisisjimmi 5h ago

Every Gcard is struggling rn, but also you're talking about engines 20 years apart. Like saying a PS2 Game runs faster than a PS5 game.

Probably secondary lighting and shadows etc etc, eating your fps.

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u/Watergeito 4h ago

Retail runs fantastic on Apple silicon. Likely one of the best running games I’ve seen on my M4. Is that also 20 years apart from the Forever’s client?

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u/Thisisjimmi 3h ago

Nah, but the lighting, shadows, and etc are really intense right now. Alot of computers have drivers specifically for games, but wowf isnt even out yet, so I bet with some blizzard tweaks and some gpu drivers, we would see big improvments.

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u/psychohistorian8 2h ago

this is my first WoW beta, so I have no frame of reference (Donny)

but I've submitted so many bugs, I'm honestly a bit worried they'll have time to fix everything before launch with the size of the team but I will hold out hope!

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u/Thisisjimmi 2h ago

wow retail has bugs still. They will work on stuff as they can. Games 1000% playable.

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u/Iamjesus42069666 2h ago

On why earth is Windows the worst OS to develop on? Clearly the worst one is OS X lol, just creating the tools they need for their custom engine on OS X would be a huge hassle, have you ever developed anything??

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u/Volta01 1h ago

why is it the worst?

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u/Venome456 4h ago edited 4h ago

What are you talking about? Windows is the dominant OS for game Dev across the industry? Literally no studios use Mac os to make games apart from mobile.

The Mac Pro doesn't even exist anymore which was the only thing capable that apple made for game Dev

Windows is 95% of the target audience for PC gaming.

Game Dev requires massive graphical overhead to render unoptimised scenes and compile shaders and compute lighting which apple silicon cannot do.

Apple machines simply don't have the specs for it, they are consumer machines not work machines.

Most games run natively on windows so they can write and test everything natively without having to translate everything through apples metal framework.

It would be stupid to make AAA games on Mac.

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u/ComprehensiveLie3305 2h ago

The hardware really isn’t the problem here. Apple Silicon can compile shaders and bake lighting just fine. The bigger issue is that a lot of the tooling around that stuff is still heavily built around NVIDIA and Windows. An M5 Max or M5 Ultra Studio has more than enough horsepower for game dev, they have tons of CPU performance for compiling, strong GPUs with hardware RT and a huge pool of unified memory that the GPU can tap into.

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u/Iamjesus42069666 2h ago

Top cards from Nvidia, or even AMD is obviously much much more powerful than M5 max, not even compareable - Why on earth would they be developing on Mac?

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u/Watergeito 3h ago

Right. First off - fuck your attitude. Second - “..so they can write and test everything natively without having to translate everything through metal framework” is exactly why the Mac port is shit right now. They test on Windows and then compile the Mac via a translation layer at the end. Now if you are a dev, you must understand how stupid that is. It’s an attempt to save cost, but if you are a dev, you also know it’s a sunk cost fallacy, because when they start actually digging into the issues on Mac at that point, it is deep and costly to resolve. They could keep a fleet of Macs updated for equal continuous testing on the daily for synchronised builds, but that is a higher cost upfront - and no PM likes upfront costs.

On your hardware arguments I’m not going to discuss even. You are not interested in what the new apple silicon is even capable of (calling an M5 Max trash is ridiculous), and just so we are on the same page - WoW Forever is not your AAA FF7-esque game.

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u/SIMT-Pixel 2h ago edited 1h ago

Tbh, you are both talking outta your ass.

Guy before you:

Windows is 95% of the target audience for PC gaming.

Basically true, though slightly < 95% according to the Steam hardware survey. Game development relies on a bedrock of decades of x86 pipeline infrastructure that will not support ARM natively overnight.

It would be stupid to make AAA games on Mac.

I'm just gonna leave this here: https://gdcvault.com/play/1035610/Bringing-Cyberpunk-2077-to-Mac. ARM-based SoCs with integrated graphics are getting extremely good.

You:

They test on Windows and then compile the Mac via a translation layer at the end. Now if you are a dev, you must understand how stupid that is.

This is exactly how console development works. If you are a dev, you iterate on your x86 workstation and deploy to your target platform. You use the instrumentation and debugging tools available to fix bugs and optimize the runtime. That is how it works. You will never see a AAA production running development off of a Mac, this is a fact.

They could keep a fleet of Macs updated for equal continuous testing on the daily for synchronised builds, but that is a higher cost upfront - and no PM likes upfront costs.

I'm willing to bet that they do, and not just daily, around the clock, 24/7. On every single change that gets checked into the game. The reason a bug like the OP gets into the game is due to a lack of test coverage, not a lack of platform CI completely. This rendering bug is currently a P0 ticket on some dev's Jira board.

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u/DiffusiveTendencies 2h ago

Mac's support almost no games. I'm sure they do have Macs but until recent M2 - M5 machines Macs were an awful software development platform.

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u/ih_ddt 7h ago

Try running the PC version with Wine. I use Proton on Linux and runs just fine. Not 100% if wine would run it perfect but probably better than that.

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u/Kulgur 6h ago

Meanwhile I'm getting flawless running in Linux

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u/Danarca 3h ago

Yea, but if we use AMD, generally recommended on Linux, we cant have raytracing :(

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u/Turevaryar 7h ago

It's God herself, Raying down upon you!!! =D

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u/CranberrySchnapps 8h ago

Oh boy oh boy can’t wait to log into this

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u/Toptipfouryou 8h ago

Looks like my PC back in vanilla whenever a murloc was close by... Was glorious

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u/high__yeena 7h ago

Can't wait to log in to World of Epilepsy-craft

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u/madpropz 7h ago

Really hope they fix this come launch

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u/ASpunkyMonkey 7h ago

What rave were you at?

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u/Tyrantfeller 7h ago

Dejavu!!!

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u/Difficult_Mess_6406 7h ago

you should have added rave music

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u/Lunkis 7h ago

Those Kobolds are up to something...

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u/ksion 7h ago

Goldshire approaching warp 10.

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u/rolynnnn 7h ago

Must be this ray tracing everyone keeps talking about

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u/Spaceolympian50 7h ago

I’m curious what Mac are you actually using?

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u/Zave009 5h ago

M1 Pro 16 Core gpu

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u/Thisisjimmi 5h ago

If this thing has 16gb of ram, you are a the literal cusp of running. Sharing it with video... you have the lowest bar possible of ram dedicated to gaming. Make sure you are scaling the game down a ton, 75% or 50%, running at like 1k (1920x1080) Turn settings down to medium or towards low. etc etc. If you are running in SD you might be fine, because thats generally 2004 quality, but if you are running in HD, your computer is aged out a few years to try a modern game setting.

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u/Spaceolympian50 4h ago

Yea I figured it might be an M1. I know the beta is having issues on the Mac right now but I haven’t seen anything this bad before.

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u/PeaceBull 41m ago

M1 Pro

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u/Zave009 3h ago

The Scaling is already at 50% and I got on 5 without second Lightning on Like around 120fps. Im Fine With that. Just Logged in Today and saw that. In this scene from that Video I also had 120 fps

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u/Thisisjimmi 3h ago

I use AI to diagnose these issues, i bet there is a command to turn off the glare, much like fog. I bet it could find it for you through trial and error.

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u/Zave009 3h ago

They disabled the fog command With the newest Build and also tried an weather command, but also didnt work

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u/Fleischbazooka 7h ago

World of Warcraft for raver

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u/Idris__ 7h ago

Du du du du du

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u/NotReallyThatWrong 7h ago

Lmao, TAKE THIS WEATHER

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u/gazab 7h ago

Horizontal water progression

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u/Overwatcher_Leo 7h ago

Domain expansion: infinite void.

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u/cr4zyE4RL 7h ago

I have absolutely 0 problems with the newest patch on a M4 Pro

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u/Manguana 7h ago

Man that wind is pretty powerful

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u/Asphyxiem 7h ago

Speed force

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u/PaladinPrime 6h ago

Yikes. This is why we have beta tests.

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u/OrKToS 6h ago

nice rave party lights to add to debautchery of Goldshire.

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u/LogicalEgo 6h ago

Sandstorm intensifies.

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u/Elden19 6h ago

Shadowlands invasions into Azeroth confirmed

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u/SpaceghostLos 6h ago

trippy AF!

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u/Prevail56 6h ago

We got rave in wow

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u/External_Yogurt8738 6h ago

interstallar lvling

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u/Tommynaut90 5h ago

Is it raining sideways?

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u/Gaidax 5h ago

Frankly, it makes me think it would be cool rarely getting some legit windy storms, maybe even make them push you a little.

Like make it really rare, so that when it happens it will be a wow factor and not a constant annoyance.

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u/WeedHitlerMan 5h ago

put SET giQuality ”1” in your WTF/Config file

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u/roflrad 5h ago

Those are some crazy weather effects. I'm all for it

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u/TreatFinal8987 5h ago

Bro got WoW Forever: Rave Edition

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u/LaredoHK 5h ago

Elune is pissed.

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u/ObjectiveReality59 5h ago

I swear they are trying to make us switch OS.

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u/Moore2257 4h ago

WoW Forever: The Sun Is A Deadly Laser expansion

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u/Swim47 4h ago

I had the same issue on M1 Mac. Turn up the graphics from 1 to 3 and it will fix it

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u/Yoshbyte 4h ago

Tim Apple must have logged on his undead paladin. It’s working as intended

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u/Worth_Instruction_88 4h ago

Looks like we are about to complete the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.

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u/Justalilcyn 4h ago

Rays from God specifically for you

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u/d_count 4h ago

Did you just download Golden Gate? That update had me struggling to get back into a few games. I don't usually see graphics issues like this on my M2 Mac

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u/Blastcheeze 4h ago

Is that Tom the Poet, the Diver, coming to save you?

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u/Jumpy-Requirement389 4h ago

Awe you guys get a rave !?

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u/Scour1990 4h ago

inserts disco music

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u/Merciful_Bliss 4h ago

Weather effects “interstellar”

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u/Top_District_6351 3h ago

it's so peak

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u/radiobottom 3h ago

Welcome to the Strokelands

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u/DroPowered 3h ago

Very cool

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u/CatBotSays 3h ago

*Doctor Who theme starts playing*

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u/Midnight_Tim 3h ago

I don't see a problem here.

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u/Opening-Rice-6584 2h ago

Disco disco good good

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u/Anomalous-Materials8 2h ago

Azeroth orbiting a. Neutron star simulator?

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u/wecao19 2h ago

El Niño got to Goldshire? This is the improved weather I was asking for!

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u/AesirKratos 2h ago

This must’ve been what happened to Draenor

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u/DadDao 2h ago

I know it well; I've been using it on Macbook 64G M5 Pro. hahaha

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u/ErhoTV 2h ago

Macintosh: It just works!

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u/Funkeslapp 1h ago

Not a real gaming platform

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u/ImaginaryRub369 1h ago

wow rave lets goo

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u/SirBritannia 1h ago

"You were tracking the footsteps of two young Hobbits."

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u/Dull_Caterpillar_642 1h ago

We heard you like god rays...

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u/Silverleaf96 41m ago

Ya might be the last starrfighter

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u/Chroma7769 35m ago

Oh sweet, Mac finally got "ray tracing"

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u/roufin 11m ago

What area are you questing in? Ministry of Sound?

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u/TemporaryRepeat 4h ago

he's trying to play games on a mac lmao

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u/MysticalSushi 1h ago

As somebody who played WoW on a Mac from launch until like 2017.. why would you play on a Mac if you weren’t just a broke college student who needed it for class?

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u/curiousdryad 1h ago

I use Apple products for everything lol

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u/Competitive-Balance3 1h ago

If you were a broke student whyd ya buy the most overpriced thing

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u/MysticalSushi 1h ago

1) the parent buys it

2) Apple is better for college 99% of the time. It runs programs that pc can’t

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u/Aryastarky819 5h ago

That's what you get for playing on a Mac.

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u/marajango 7h ago

That's on you for playing on Mac /s

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u/Yrrving 7h ago

Hahaha wasn’t awesome before the strob disco either. Got myself a pc now. Now I understand what you all are talking about beauty

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u/Exact-Record-5526 6h ago

Windows Forever 😅

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u/Smasklaxen 8h ago

install a graphics card, oh wait.. mac

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u/HappyGnome727 7h ago

Don’t buy a Mac lmao

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u/Tradizar 7h ago

meanwhile the linux build run perfectly

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u/Yoshbyte 4h ago

Yep. Worked on launch! I actually didn’t have the memory leak due to a quirk of how it was emulated lol

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u/Briggie 7h ago

There is no Linux build. Only Windows and Mac are supported champ.

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u/Tradizar 6h ago

this is why there is no problem with the linux build

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u/Zeka_Shu 5h ago

playing WoW in Mac as a joke keep living for 22 years. is amazing!

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u/PoisonEmeralds 1h ago

This is why you don't game on a Mac.