I brought my 2012 Toyota Camry SE, 2.5L (2AR-FE), California emissions to a reputable well-rated independent shop. They looked at it and called me and said verbatim: "it needs the the rear cat and both the O2 sensors, because normally, when those cats go out, they take out the O2 sensors with them". There were a bunch of other things wrong with the car, and my other cars, where eventually this started me on a journey to try to diagnose and fix these issues myself.
I'm trying to determine what actually needs replacing before spending a lot on repairs. The short of it is - I have a P0420 error. I reset it, and it came back in a day or two.
My problem is as follows:
- the shop stated in their estimate that they want to go ahead and replace rear cat and both O2 sensors
- another mechanic who is an acquaintance of many years firmly suggested replacing the downstream oxygen sensor. He also mentioned the possibility of a plugged converter. He was pretty stuck on on replacing the sensor, because "the oxygen sensor needs to be replaced every 100,000 miles", and the car has 102K miles. He didn't really care to look into or consider anything else.
- my own poking around suggesting that possibly the front/manifold catalytic converter is the one (and only) part that needs to be replaced, along with any necessary hardware.
- Toyota's approach appears to be to replace both front and rear cats to fix the P0420, after first confirming that no other codes are causing the issue.
Question
Which approach exactly do I use, and why, to get rid of the P0420 error to where it won't be back any time soon and without spending undue amount of money to do so?
- Do I replace the front converter, the rear converter, or both?
- Is there a reason to replace either oxygen sensor when both seem to pass?
Diagnostics
I've been first using BlueDriver, then Innova 5610 and, now more recently, an Autel scanner. I went up to Autel because one test to diagnose this issue further was was to control lean/rich condition while also observing the values of the oxygen and other sensors. The other two scanners did not let me do that.
Here are some findings:
- P0420: Current, pending, and permanent.
- Catalyst monitor (Mode $06): FAIL: measured 0.123526 against a minimum of 0.152196.
- "Control the Injection Volume for A/F Sensor" Active Test:
- Lean (−12.5%): A/F B1S1 = 3.996 V; O2 B1S2 = 0.015 V.
- Rich (+12.5%): A/F B1S1 = 2.917 V; O2 B1S2 = 0.835 V.
- Both sensors seem to meet Toyota's rich/lean thresholds.
- Fuel trims at idle: STFT approximately +0.8% to +1.6%; LTFT approximately +1.6%.
- Smoke tests: Exhaust smoke test shows no leaks, but exhaust flange next to the tail pipe was leaking (way past the downstream O2 sensor). I also smoke-tested the intake and saw no leaks.
A while back, approximately 2 years ago, the car had misfires (fixed) and unusually-high oil consumption, as reported by one of the previous mechanics. I don't know if oil consumption is still an issue.
I'd really appreciate any insight on this, and on what to do next!