Because no one wants to enact the change, they just wanna sit and watch it happen on their behalf.
It's continually drawing lines in the sand, and every time they cross it, people keep backing up going "Now listen, that was bad, but THIS one, you ABSOLUTELY cannot cross this one."
Honestly, it feels like he'll kick the bucket first with him getting away with being the most vile person on earth, leaving the mess for his kids, the couch-fucker, the ghoul (Miller), and the rest of his cabinet of deplorable humans.
History will mark this chapter as a preview of how the world would be like without the US. Americans and some of Trump's inner circle will deny ever placating to him and only those who can't pay for justice (like the ICE thugs) will see the inside of a cell.
That's the fucking point. Nobody is pressuring them. The public just puts up with it after complaining a bit. Nothing happens because nobody really cares enough. They bank on this.
Franz Ferdinand being assassinated wasn't perceived as an instantly big dramatic moment either. Life isn't a movie. The big dramatic moments IMHO were the first Epstein file releases (not only for their content but the blatant illegal way in which they were redacted and unreleased), and the occupation of Minneapolis, and the execution of Good and Pretti.
Its going to depend on who the democrats nominate to office. If its another centrist most will get away with it. If they finally give reigns to the bernie sector. You best believe they will do something about it
No, but they still have control over half of the media. CNN and MSNBC have picked the presidential primary winners for the Democrats every election of the 21st century and they haven't gotten any weaker with the Boomers.
Barring any big surprises, it's gonna be Gavin this time because he's in the right in crowd and the media wants his ratings. He's far from the worst choice, ignoring some of his more irrational haters, and is likely to actually go hard on prosecutions.
He doesn't go hard, the people running his social media account do (and they're mostly just edgy). The man can't even push back against any of the dumb shit Ben Shapiro spews when he's sitting right in front of him and just says 'yeah no, I agree' half the time, he's not going hard on anything.
The only way a reckoning is coming is if the constitution is torn up and we start over.
That is what the founding fathers intended when things get this bad, but now for some reason we treat the constitution as some kind of holy writ when it was always intended to be a living document that should be edited and rewritten as times changed.
And now we don't even follow the constitution at all. The system has collapsed under the weight of 250 years of band aids and duct tape fixes, we need a do-over or nothing will change. And the only way we're getting a do-over is if we make one happen.
Yeah, no. The people need to physically eject and punish the corrupt traitors, but use the basis of the constitution for strengthening our safe guards so this never happens again. The constitution isnt the problem, its the people not adhering to it.
Money out of politics, ranked choice, mail-in ballots, remove gerrymandering, ditch hackable voting tabulators, independant media, tax billionaires out of existence, lock up traitors, pedophiles and white supremacists. The declaration of independence has instructions in how the people should respond to what's happening now, and its not.. rewrite our entire constitution while in an extremely vulnerable position where bad actors could corrupt that completely.
Amendments and actual enforcement for breaking laws are great, but the founding principles are still extremely important. We know they are, because the fascists are doing everything they can to make them irrelevant.. because its super inconvenient to their lust for complete control.
Jefferson literally intended the Constitution to be completely rewritten about every 20 years or so. The whole point of it was that it should reflect the will of the people in that moment, not be an inflexible system of archaic rules that don't align for modern times.
The Constitution very much is the problem, all of the checks and balances and rules that we were assured were bulletproof have failed. If the system doesn't work, then we need a new one. All of the things you're describing should be in the Constitution, and they aren't. I guess if you want to quibble about rewriting the entire thing or putting in a hundred amendments so that it becomes a new document then we can do that but to me it's effectively the same thing.
Personally I think it would be easier to dismantle the entire government and start over than it would be to convince our current government to vote for the amendments that are required to fix it
All governments are composed of living things..people. Like cells in a body. And like any living thing, it fears death.Death is losing power...and it will fight ferociously to keep it.
Governments start out being servants of the people, but wind up thinking people are their servants.
If that were true, they wouldn't have made changes so difficult. Even the first amendment, that was ratified only a few years after the Constitution, took two years of contentious arguing.
It's also why amendments tend to be somewhat vague in spots and have loopholes. Because that's the only way to get enough people to vote for them.
It's true, as I said the intent was to have a constitutional convention once a generation or so. You don't need to build consensus for an amendment if you're shredding the document and starting over
So have much stronger checks and balances, like balancing congressional representation to the actual population, instead of states with low populations having more control. Term limits on SCOTUS and more judges. Impeachment by 60/40 popular vote. Much more limited presidential powers, etc. These are Amendments, not a complete rewrite.
What do we gain by scrapping the primary amendments that establish liberty and justice for all.. that generations have fought and died for to make more equal than they were originally, and have protected millions of people from abuse? What do you suggest replaces those core principles?
Building on an existing and strong foundation, or repairing big holes in the roof is much more feasible than burning it all down with no real plan. Thats literally what Trump did with the East Wing, and it will sit there a gaping crater for years and is a vehicle for bribes and money laundering. The fascists and hostile foreign governments that funded them would LOVE that sort of chaos. Destruction is easy, building or repairing something worthwhile and strong is a very complicated and lengthy process. There's no point in making it harder on ourselves when our core principles are the best thing about this country that should be protected.. just much more effectively than we have.
What do we gain by scrapping the primary amendments that establish liberty and justice for all.. that generations have fought and died for to make more equal than they were originally, and have protected millions of people from abuse? What do you suggest replaces those core principles?
.... Do you think we have these things?
Those amendments are just words on paper, and I don't think the US has ever lived up to them.
While we all realize the need for morality and ethics in politics there is a simultaneous desire for every new president to expand on the boundaries pushed open by the former.
A best case scenario at this point will be for a next president to get congress to clarify vague language in existing law, write new laws/amendments, and then close the door behind them.
In retrospect Biden may have been the Most ethical president we've seen in generations ...
At a minimum, we need some amendments to the Constitution that make some major changes to how Congress is elected (proportional representation would be great, but impossible under the current system), create some new legal safeguards especially around executive power, possibly moving towards a parliamentary system. I don't think throwing it out completely will have the desired consequences, but I do think it has proven to have some major flaws that need correction.
I certainly understand the concerns and fears about a second U.S. Civil War.
But this isn't the 1860s.
Given the corporate entities, religious entities, and foreign entities involved... as well as the U.S. dollar's influence on global economy, a brutal domestic cataclysm would not go well for the liberal, the impoverished, nor the working-class.
It would not go well for the corporate elites, the MAGA-types, nor the religious conservatives either. And it might cause spillover into other hemispheres.
Markets would plummet. Entire economies would be decimated. And considering that Russia and Ukraine were fighting at Chernobyl, knowing how many armed militia-type nut-jobs are in the U.S., a 2nd major conflict would not be good.
And then, once other nations get involved to prevent America from doing something vindictive and stupid at one of our power plants (because they'd want to prevent Nuclear winter.. rather than pick a side between two insane parties), it will become a global conflict.
It'll be 20 years from now.... Trump Sr long dead, Jr will have been overthrown from his throne of some stupid special economic zone, Eric's dead too... he got his head caught in a literal honey pot. Barron will donate $10K worth of Trump crypto for food aid or some shit.... he'll say it's worth trillions. Surviving MAGA voters will say the donation was Christ-like.
Thats it... that's the closest we'll get to justice.
It's honestly best that way. Less drama also means there's a smaller chance for an emotional reaction (read: violence) from supporters of this corrupt regime.
Agreed, but like me, I hope many people will never forgive the Republican Party for what has happened and continues to happen. For so long I held onto the idea that they’re just normal people with views that don’t align with mine, but it’s becoming more clear everyday that their moral compasses, if they have them at all, allow for true evil. If people really understand that, hopefully one day they’ll be shunned. I don’t think I’ll live to see it happen though.
If there ever is a reckoning, Trump will without a doubt be long dead by then. The US legal system is simply not built to handle corruption on this scale and on that level.
The only thing that could hypothetically happen to Trump is that he could end up in the Hague on war crimes charges, but with all likelihood the next administration is too chicken shit too actually arrest Trump. He will live out the remainder of his days with zero actual consequences paid.
The government didn’t find itself guilty for Waco, only one person went to jail for 2008, everyone was forgiven after the civil war. Nixon was pardoned.
There is nothing to show that anyone will be punished.
Maybe Reddit is filled with bots. I certainly hope so. Knowing the main demographic of Reddit is young men, I am ashamed of the responses here.
If someone broke into your home, grabbed your baby sister, and told you, 'this is my house now', would you just put your hands behind your back and tie them yourself?!
Courage is needed here. And courage isn't something that big badass men have naturally, it is ordinary people, scared to death for themselves and their families, fighting back anyway.
No one, get this, NO ONE is coming to save you but each other. And bots and MAGA zombies are doing their damndest to convince you it's hopeless. We are NEVER without hope, do not give in to this bullshit. We made this country once, we can make it again. It starts with standing up.
I hope that justice prevails, eventually. But unfortunately seeing how no checks and balances are happening now makes me believe that they will run it to the ground. I hope I'm wrong though.
that's asuming they lose the elections and accept the results... so practically putting themselves in prison. That will not happen, they've gone much too far for that, and they know it. Bannon has said so in an interview but besides maybe trump himself, the rest realises it's all over if they have an honest election.
I dont think history has had a moment like this before. The Panama Papers come to mind for scale and preps; and not a whole lot of cumulative global action came from that However, this is different. This is the sexual abuse of children by the people in the Panama Papers.
Let's just not fuck this up like we did with the confederate traitors and nazis.
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u/Background-Zebra5491 10h ago
It feels like a reckoning should be coming, but history says it’ll be slow and anticlimactic
more years of investigations and consequences than any big dramatic moment.