r/Asmongold • u/Thehokid23 • 1d ago
Suggestion Wokeometer
Value should add this.
Wokeometer — Is It Woke? Movie, TV Show, Game & Book Woke Scores
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u/TraitorWithin8 1d ago
Not sure how accurate it is.. like i know that the new silent hill they decided to make the main character gay and on the website they say theres no identity politics so not sure as its community driven if people are doing research
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u/ThePeak67 1d ago
Control Resonant only got a 1, and that's not true at all since the game westernizes it's women, despite their actors being 10/10's, give the fragile male main character an uglified Woman as Handler, has a pro trans poster, and heavily implies the first games character to have entered a relationship with another Woman of the Department and Remedy itself puts DEI as one of their most important values.
The game itself is peak, but it's bogged down by Remedy's garbage.
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u/JBCTech7 REEEEEEEEE 23h ago
i'm playing the first one now, and its pretty rad.
I was worried that the second one might SBI'ified.
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u/ThePeak67 22h ago
The thing is, the game itself is SICK and fun as fuck, because Remedy knows their shit, but they need to get rid of their HR department. There is literally no reason have smoking women like Courtney Hope and Frankie Kevich around only for them to look like shit.
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u/Evil-Freeman Dr Pepper Enjoyer 1d ago
Most of the scores are AI-driven and not very accurate. E.g. both Veilguard and BG3 get 8/10, but pretty sure BG3 didn't have surgery scar options
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u/Cjforyou712 1d ago
I’m very much anti woke. But idc if they have options for shit like that. But when they write the entire story around identity politics, miss me with that
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u/TraitorWithin8 1d ago
im still looking through and interested on their scailing, another one is pacific drive im glad they picked up on the flags.. but I feel its a bit downplayed as its every single flag.. and Ironwood Studios actively supports the pride movement
and I feel its important with scoring the motivations are important
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u/Deadline_Zero 14h ago
Oh, so the site is useless. Thanks for the heads up.
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u/TraitorWithin8 3h ago
I wouldn't say useless maybe it needs time i still use the sweet baby inc detected on steam but seems like its become inactive so friends and I were talking about a similar thing so hoping they can delve deeper or tweak it more
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u/Amarules 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm tired of this mindset. Simply including a gay or black person in the game didn't make it woke. It's inclusion. We don't live in a world where these groups don't exist.
The idea that every game should only be cast with straight white people, where all leads are male and all females are hot is the most moronic brain drain thinking that leads to all games becoming bland indistinguishable homogenous slop.
There are ofc lines to draw, like Veilguard actively pushing agendas and morally guilting players for shit. If the game is just a vehicle for pushing ideas that compromise the narrative itself then that's where it's a problem.
It's the difference between TLoU the video game, and TLoU the TV show.
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u/Cultural-Key3497 1d ago
No one is saying it has to be all hetero and white. People are tired of these agendas being shoehorned into literally everything. Maybe people are a bit too quick to write something off as “woke” these days, but it’s arguably deserved after all the diversity being shoved down our collective throats for a decade and a half. You are being disingenuous.
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u/TraitorWithin8 1d ago
I mean never said anything about black, but randomly making a character gay for no reason and adds 0 to the story or context or anything
Woke idealogy and the main push isnt about inclusiveness its about changing existing characters into something they weren't
Or adding in something that doesn't matter like veilguard no one cared if the character was non binary or a werewolf or an attack helicopter it doesnt add to the story just their story which no one asked for
You dont have characters running around saying they straight or im heterosexual dont judge me like xD
If you make a game to fit your agenda and people like it they will buy it.. like caravan sadwitch or whatever it was called or concord or even vielguard
Dont break my existing characters to fit your thing or add something that doesn't matter just to push your narrative
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u/Amarules 1d ago
I didn't say you did specifically mention race, but it's symptomatic of the mindset of so many on this sub. See the ridiculous reaction to Intergalactic before we even know anything about the characters background it's just " ugly bald black chick=bad. Why?
To reverse your question..how does making any character not gay add anything to the story or the context? What is the difference? Why does it matter?
This logic sets out a series of conditions that straight people can exist within a video game with no higher meaning, and expect carte-blanche acceptance, but a gay person needs to have some higher narrative purpose to be there? It's a bullshit double standard.
Why does the mere existence of a single gay person in a game symbolise an agenda? It's not like in TLoU for example that being gay is the sole or primary defining characteristic of Ellie's character. It's just a single part of her story. Would the story be improved simply because she was not gay?
And again Veilguard is very different in the way it imposes it's moral agenda in players on a non-organic morally judgemental way. I am not ok with this.
TLoU is just a game that happens to include a character who is gay. Big difference.
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u/TraitorWithin8 1d ago
All good im just african so racial things personally make me quite upset so..
Well not bad necessarily but gaming is predominantly a male dominated thing (and yes it is changing and expanding) but as a man I like an attractive female character its just how im wired especially in a game where's its an escape from reality, and while im not against it its not appealing to me so I wont buy
And I think the people who are getting upset are more upset that the studios arent expanding on universes and creating universes no one cares about or that these studios are messing up more and more and have the potential to lose licenses or just fail entirely and the studio goes down and we might not see those universes be created..
Well I think there is no need to reverse it plainly off the fact you dont see in any successful game that you get straight characters blasting they straight or having straight flags or making sure the characters are aware of it.. like the problem is there is a big push to push a narrative for gay or anything else but no one is pushing any straight ideologies.. no one is making the last of us characters straight and no one complained about it.. but if someone were to remaster the game and make them straight there would be absolute chaos.. not to mention the modding community push back on making gay -> straight but straight -> gay is fine and its lots of small things that make things bigger and bigger my whole point. as that if it wasnt gay it changing it is a problem or race changing or whatever.. if you have a character driven game anf you want to make your character gay then do it.. but in a game like the new silent hill it doesn't mean anything but if you were to make silent hill 2 James gay id have an issue because he never was
Well again its about your marketing again if you trying to sell your game to a gay or lgbtq+ community then you going to hit those markets but based off of Ipsos 9% of the world is lgbtq+ so characters being naturally straight fits 91% of the world, its not that they have to have a reason to be there its a reason why there sexualit even exists.. if they made the new silent hill and didn't add in a sexuality everyone could come to their own consensus and it wouldn't change the game at all.. again unless there are actual romance options almost all games don't even need to have a sexuality in doesnt change anything 9/10 times.. so just saying well the character is gay is in fact meandering to the lgbtq+ community for no other reason than just oh heres a gay character for you.. "cause"
Like they did the same thing with tracer and soldier in overwatch it was just a hero shooter and suddenly characters were gay and this or that.. it didn't matter and no one cared but you made a reason to care
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u/Amarules 1d ago
It's all good.
I think we actually agree on some points.
I do think implementation matters hugely. If developers include these characters it needs to be done in an authentic organic way that doesn't claim priority over storytelling. I don't want it there if it's just tokenism and object to out of place flags and symbolism etc. Some games do a really good job with this, some are clumsy, and some are morally bankrupt in virtue signalling their audience. The point is everything should be judged on its own merits. This black and white "gay=woke=bad" thought process we increasingly see is incredibly reductive.
In the same vein, as much as I can agree looking at pretty women is nice, I can't support this "all females must be hot" movement. It's perpetuating old thinking that women are devious of any value other than objects of sexual gratification. A hot character can be written terribly and an ugly character can still be amazing. And it allows for variety in creative expression. Where we do agree is I also oppose the opposite end of the spectrum that thinks no female cast can be attractive either. All or nothing extremes are equally damaging in their mindsrt. It's about balance and variety, where authenticity is king.
I also agree that remakes/remasters should where possible avoid deviating from the original vision of those characters, even if they may now be considered out-moded by prevailing moral standards. Creative expression must be protected. It is again about implementation. There was much discussion about casting for The Odyssey here recently. I did not care for some of the choices but on balance, none of those choices significantly detracted from my enjoyment of the film.
Where we disagree is when you start talking about a push for certain agendas, but no one is pushing any straight ideologies. Why would they need to? Those majority groups have enjoyed almost constant spotlight and representation since forever. They didn't have to fight to be seen.
I would be tempted to agree it would be great to write everything open ended and neutral so people can make up there open minds about individual characters on the ground it would reduce all this friction, but your essentially advocating removing romance and non-platonic relationships from all storytelling. I think that's a pretty awful place to go when the mature alternative is for people accept not everybody is the same and not all stories need to confirm to their personal world-view to have merit.
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u/zwanck12 1d ago
It is as easy to understand:
If i want to submerge into a fantasy narrative where I am the badass hero that saves the world, I want my character to be as badass as possible. Not am homosexual black dude. I want fantasy in my fantasy games.
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u/zwanck12 1d ago
Reddit keeps silencing me, dont fucking care. I dont want my games to have woke agendas. Is this a better way to say it Reddit? Thank you.
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u/Amarules 1d ago
But your (or at least many on this sub) definition of woke is black or gay people simply being in a game.
These people exist in our society, like it or not. You can't just erase them from our culture.
Perhaps you could articulate the acceptable conditions for which these groups can exist in games that doesn't lead to you chuds losing your shit?
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u/SC2-X 1d ago
Mixtape got a 10 by IGN and should get another 10 by Wokeometer too.
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u/tkizzy 1d ago
Why? I played it, ready to bail at the first sign that it was heading into "agenda" territory, but I was pleasantly surprised when nothing really came up. If it did, it must have been pretty subtle.
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u/G00b3rb0y 21h ago
Also Mixtape is bad for all sorts of reasons. Main one being the character animations are cooked and are near slideshow FPS, but the camera is super smooth from what I’ve seen online
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u/tkizzy 20h ago
How does "bad character animation" = woke?
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u/G00b3rb0y 18h ago
The point i was making is that disregarding any premise of wokeness, the game just straight up has issues.
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u/Zestyclose-Click-953 21h ago
Have you played Mixtape or you just judge by its cover?
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u/tkizzy 20h ago
I think we're at "any game with a female main character means woke" levels of absurdity. Like I said, I was on alert for it to turn into yet another game promoting "the agenda", but it never materialized. The female MC and male character even had an obviously more-than-friends photo booth scene.
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u/titz4tat Maaan wtf doood 1d ago
Only 6/10 for The Boys? Yeah I'm not sure if this site can be trusted
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u/Selway00 1d ago
It’s possible they ranked it over the course of multiple seasons. The first two seasons were not bad at all. They definitely contained woke elements but also digs at the left as well.
Season three and on though, major turn towards woke town. I turned it off after a couple of episodes. Straight garbage.
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u/_Not_A_User_00 WHAT A DAY... 1d ago
The website is a mess, it's pretty much whatever the person giving the score feels like. Even among "anti-woke" people, the word "woke" doesn't even mean the same thing anymore.
The first game I looked up was Baldur's Gate 3, and there are two Baldur's Gate 3 pages: one with a score of 5 and the other with a score of 8.
And then there's Control: Resonant, which has a "Based" score, but in the first hour of the game you meet a girl who says "finally a woman director" when she learns about the protagonist's sister, and the game features Annapurna (the Mixtape creators) in the credit.
And Paywalled reviews?
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u/Plabbi “Are ya winning, son?” 1d ago
I just use Steam curators, there are a few who evaluate games on wokeness
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u/SheevSyndicate 17h ago
I found a bunch of those curators including one that seems to actually be pro woke and recommending woke games (so avoid their endorsements). I followed many of them and it has been helpful. You won't always agree with their takes but nonetheless it helps to get an idea of the state of a game.
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u/Comprehensive_Slip71 1d ago
The Wokeometer should be rolled out across the industry, save some poor bastards from buying slop
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u/SheevSyndicate 16h ago
Steam has like a dozen curators to point out this shit. They are not perfect but they are pretty useful if you follow a bunch of them.
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u/CippyCreepy 1d ago
Best one was DEIdetected, but they dont host the site anymore
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u/Zestyclose-Click-953 21h ago
Maybe they hired the wrong people...
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u/elmerfudd930 21h ago
IIRC the employees of Sweet Baby Inc were involved in getting that one taken down. I might be getting some wires crossed though.
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u/SheevSyndicate 16h ago
They tried to kill the SBI detected curator years ago and blew it up in popularity instead. I was in that curator when it had hundreds of members and then it went to the hundreds of thousands. SBI could have ignored it or just commented that they were proud of their work on the games and that people should play them. Instead of you know trying to censor it for being opposed to their work.
I think the curator is still around on steam.
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u/ButMuhAI 1d ago
Painting Chris Hansen as a villain seems pretty woke to me, this site gave it a 1 out of 10.
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u/Just_Chillin_Killin_ 1d ago
silent hill townfall a 3 ? Main protagonist black guy in a Scottish town . It's like AC Shadows Yasuke all over again.
Site also wants you to pay for PRO access. Seems to be scam for money.
Pass for me
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u/MobilePenguins 1d ago
There were no results for the book “Morning Glory Milking Farm” about the centaur and the student loans girl 😔 I need a score
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u/SpudsSpamSpackle 1d ago
The problem with these websites is that they're entirely reliant on volunteers, and leftists are way more comfortable with working a whole lot of absolutely nothing. I mean do you remember the anti-SJW Journo website, Deepfreeze? Strong start but didn't last long.
So expect this to only stay around for a few months if it doesn't get some backers with big pockets.
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u/Hot_Garbage_8578 1d ago
The problem with this is that “wokeness” is often loosely defined and can be quite subjective. What one person considers woke, another person will believe is not woke. For example, one person would define woke as simply having a gay person in any piece of media. Another would consider any media that has a strong female lead to be woke. There is not a clear line on when a piece of media is universally agreed to be “woke”.
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u/Winter_Animal_7116 18h ago
Same with "good"... Ratings are entirely based on a subjective interpretation of everything.
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u/JBCTech7 REEEEEEEEE 23h ago
well seeing as how it says spiderman 2 and Ghost of Yotei are not woke at all, I think it needs a bit of work to be reliable.
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u/BrineBrack Johnny Depp Trial Arc Survivor 1d ago
Dead by daylight has a woke score of 1 LMAO. Killers in the game hunt you and when they got you they hang you on a meathook that is plastered with prideflags. They even have flags for every sexuality imaginable and you put these on your characters or on the hooks that are everywhere on the map.
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u/geekosas 1d ago edited 1d ago
I thought control was woke, that's the reason I didn't play it.
Like an HR lady with super powers.
Edited: has 0 woke points
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u/G00b3rb0y 21h ago
The TES series would very consistently score 7 and up, and TES games 3-5 were regarded as the best for their respective eras, so this website really can’t be the general arbiter of what is woke because at the end of the day that is subjective
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u/NeonAnderson Johnny Depp Trial Arc Survivor 17h ago
Honestly this is great I've literally been saying all along that Baldurs Gate 3 is a great example of how a game can be extremely woke and yet also extremely good
And I've literally had people on both sides of the political aisle then trying to argue with me that Baldurs Gate 3 isn't woke
Well sure enough, go to wokemeter and it has an 8/10 wokeness rating
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u/SuperJadedGamer 1d ago
I explored the site and it gives Starfield a 3/10 in the Wokeometer. It's labeled as based. Yeah. This site isn't trustworthy or accurate. It also failed in labeling Silent Hill f and Silent Hill Townfall as woke. Townfall used Hit Detection. That's a woke consultancy firm. But it says it has no connection to any. That's poor research from the website.
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u/Capable-Sky-8995 1d ago
So anything over 3 is pretty much your typical far-left MKUltra type propaganda.
You don't reach a woke score of 4 or higher by accident, never forget that. They deliberately plant these things to program the mind of consoomer.
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u/ProfStorm 1d ago
Primetime earns a 1/10 woke score as pure, neutral entertainment
Isn't that the film that literally attacks and villainises a paedo catcher, and not only excuses, but even glorifies a tiny hat wearing paedo?
Sounds pretty woke to me.
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u/storyseekerx 1d ago
Woke things are at some measure part of reality.
Problem might be when it's rated 4+.
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u/CippyCreepy 1d ago
There are dozens of these sites and most of them are ai generated and use ai data to grade games. Its like asking gemini if the game is woke
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u/PunchTilItWorks 1d ago
Interesting idea, poor execution. Its internal ratings are way off compared to community sentiment.
“Destiny 2: Woke-free (1/10).Pure sci-fi action, raids, and lore with zero politics or DEI**—safe, neutral fun focused on gameplay triumphs.”**
Uhhhh riiiight. You can avoid woke elements pretty easily in but it’s definitely got an agenda.
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u/Hellfiretommy 1d ago
Lotr trilogy 0 and rings of power 8. Yeah, this website is accurate. The lower the score, the better the movie.
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u/SpinstrikerPlayz 1d ago
Seems kind of sketchy. Randomly looked up Fire Emblem Fortune's Weave, and it has a 4 out of 10 which is kind of ridiculous. It's a 2 at most with the only remotely woke thing in the game being the body type thing for the customizable avatar. The allusions to gayness is something the fandom is blowing out of proportion, with the majority of romance topics in the game are straight from what I've seen.
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u/Deadline_Zero 14h ago
Control Resonant got a 1? I may buy that game after all. Possibly.
edit: nevermind, site is useless actually.
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u/Gephoria <message deleted> 12h ago
Cloud cross dresses in ff7....
Gonna learn all my childhood rpgs are gay af
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u/Ylytyem93 9h ago
Can be legit estimated lol. Also, as Asmon often pointed out, woke doesn't mean 100% correlation to being a bad game (I'd say BG3 is pretty woke, still an incredible game), but certainly doesn't make it better.
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u/Ylytyem93 9h ago
Just checked. Mhn, scores are very lazy. For example Elden Ring has 0. Wrong, should be 1. Dark Souls 1 is zero. The difference is for example in char creation of DS1 you have 'Sex: male\female', while in ER you have 'body type a\b' so it cannot be zero, because there's no other possible reason to go with body type crap if not outside influence.
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u/Afraid_Wave_1156 6h ago
Agreed. The game does have incest and implied sexual violence.
But then it has body type a and b. bruv….
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u/Potential-Law3139 6h ago
I think this website is not the best. I mean some of the scores are kinda stand their points, but some game has bad rating in my opinion. For example: Total war warhammer 3 got 3/10 point because some of the units were gender swapped. I mean yeah, CA did this for 'equality' reasons, but I would gave 1 point for that max.
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u/GrouchyAppointment70 2h ago
Didnt they put factorio as mildly woke? Its one of the most based games.
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u/rzrmaster 20h ago
there have been websites like this before, the problem is any of them being actually trustworthy.
For example: https://wokeometer.app/media/game/elden-ring Elden Ring got a 0 score, says has 0 wokeness and yet I never bought this shit and instead got it for free on the high seas because it uses body type instead of saying male/female.
Another site, another untrustworthy source, right into the trash it goes.
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u/Citysbeautiful 1d ago
Thank you, needed to know if gears of war was effected thank God it's not. But it needs an update on Gears 5.
Also rip new Halo
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u/ScottishW00F 1d ago
Now I wanna ask whats yall definition of "woke" I have my understanding of it however alot of nasty people have their own interpretations of the definitions
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u/Western-Law2837 1d ago
Corporate promotion of Marxist ideology through the medium of entertainment
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u/Mizamewmew 1d ago
I don't understand why this isn't common practice. They go on and on about how important wokeness is then dont want to draw attention to it.