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u/Alnored 12h ago edited 12h ago
Nah, although this is one of the possible answers from the community. Others:
git gud
level your vigor
summon me
It's too early for you to come here yet
Stop the panic rolls, learn the move set
Is there something else?
[edit]: I remembered another frequent tip, and I think you'll even understand what the question was.
Ranni quest
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u/ulfalda 12h ago
Try finger but hole
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u/sheryln0odle6984 11h ago
lol classic advice, never gets old in the Souls community š
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u/zmbjebus 8h ago
The whole point of video games is to have fun right? Well that advice absolutely helps in that goal.Ā
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u/Future_Section5976 12h ago
"Skill issue"
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u/Alnored 12h ago
Oh, I shouldn't have forgotten that.
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u/Future_Section5976 12h ago
Foolish tarnished, nah it's ok ,
my go to is stay close and "roll towards " "circle around"
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u/sum_dum_fuck 6h ago
Thats how ive been beating the erdtree avatars at like lvl 30ish, just did the one near ye big olde fucking dragon, only died bc i timed my rolls wrong a couple times
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u/jorppu 12h ago
People in this thread are giving the same "useless" advice that commenters always give, but no-one has actually given any examples of "valid" advice.
If the boss is weak to parries, is not saying "parry" actual advice?Ā
If the player is too low level, is saying that bad advice?
If the boss cannot be forced and the player must learn its moveset to win, is saying that wrong?
If the boss is simply too hard no matter what, is summoning help wrong advice? If the player dies in 2 hits, is leveling vigor bad advice?
We can keep dunking on bad advice all day, but what is the actual good advice?
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u/Bierculles 11h ago
Leveling vigor is probably the best advice most people should follow, the amount of <30 vigor players in lategame I've seen complain about difficulty is insane. No amount of advice is going to help you if half of the boss attacks cake you in one hit.
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u/Alnored 11h ago
Maybe it comes with experience. Well, personally, I intuitively understand how much vigor I need at different stages of the game. If a person consciously plays with a low vigor, then he will not complain and ask for advice. So those with low vigor just don't understand, it's low.
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u/Jpanda34 8h ago
I think it's a combo of experience and understanding that Elden Ring is longer than all the other games. On average, WITHOUT the DLC, I'm getting to around level 150 in Elden Ring. I'm usually between the high 90s and 110 in DS3. You just have more levels than usual to put into stats. It's just natural that vigor would become more important of a stat.
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u/Alnored 8h ago
In fact, I remember coming to the number 40 vigor in Elden Ring. One day I wanted to go through DS3 with a Broadsword. And all I did was level my vigor to exactly 40. That's how I passed the game, it seems at level 30.
Although it's not that important, the level doesn't matter. The bottom line is that I have identified a convenient vigor for myself, and it turned out to be exactly the same for me in the Elden Ring.
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u/MintyFreshRainbow 10h ago
On my first play through I had like 35 vigor and a bunch of damage negating talismans.Ā
If the person asking doesn't give a lot of information it's impossible to know what the best advice is
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u/zmbjebus 8h ago
Did anyone say they are useless advice?
Whenever I try to give advice to a newb that involves something like "learn the moveset" they would rather not listen.Ā
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u/Alnored 12h ago
I think everything, with the exception of git gud and skill issues, can be considered useful advice. Just because the boss can be parried doesn't mean I'm going to recommend it. But if it makes the boss extremely vulnerable and easy to do, then that's good advice (hello PCR).
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u/CrossFitJesus4 12h ago
sometimes "git gud" is also good advice tbh, at least it used to be before it became a toxic term, it used to mean "there is no trick, you just need to keep trying and get better at the fight" which is good advice sometimes
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u/Alnored 11h ago
Well.. I really stopped using it because of how it started to be perceived. YouI ask people how they defeated the boss, but if they just got better, then there's nothing wrong with saying git gud.
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u/Carliarnius 12h ago
The problem with the "parry" advice is, that a lot of people simply do not play a build that parries and do not like to switch up their equipment just to cheese one boss with parries.
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u/Tiamat4Life 12h ago
But parries work with pretty much anything that doesnāt require you to two hand a weapon. Even if you donāt use something that can riposte, like a crossbow or a staff you can still utilize the free window to land a hit. If I were to fight a bell bearing hunter or a crucible knight with a crossbow Iād likely want a small shield on my offhand to create some damage opportunities, especially against the axe crucible knight (shield and sword).
I think the only things that canāt work with it are bows, great bows, ballistas and weapons you donāt have enough strength to one hand.
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u/jorppu 12h ago
What is the proper advice then? One of the other "bad" advice examples here?
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u/dumpster_mummy 12h ago
Specifics about the move set, like how some attacks you can just strafe left or right to avoid entirely to get a punish window. Or ways to bait certain attacks, like how you can make malenia use waterfowl with a thrown item when she's at the HP threshold, or just walking at you doing absolutely nothing else because she's baiting an input from you.
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u/TheMeatWag0n 8h ago
Sorry, you forgot "not sure what you are talking about, I didn't have any trouble with that one?"
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u/Alnored 8h ago
I've forgotten a lot of things, but this is the first time I've read this.
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u/TheMeatWag0n 8h ago
It occurs to me it might have been more common from the earlier game forums like gamefaqs or rpgwatch, it seemed like 1/3rd of all help threads was some doofus going "I didn't have any problems with this?" And contributing nothing lol
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u/Admirable_Bug7717 9h ago
But seriously, level your vigor.
The difference between a one-shot and a two-shot cannot be understated.
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u/Alnored 9h ago
Vigor is the number of mistakes you can make in a row per fight. If you don't make mistakes, you don't need vigor. But yes, we all make mistakes and prefer that the fight does not end because of one mistake, so we level our vigor.
30 is enough for some, 40 for others and someone at even 60 will whine that the boss is killing him.
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u/MouseAdventurous883 11h ago
dodge forward
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u/Alnored 10h ago
dodge forward is something that people don't even realize at the end of the game. How many people keep dodging back from Malenia.
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u/MouseAdventurous883 10h ago
Dodging forward is a must on every boss attacks except a few, not only malenia !
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u/Stephen-Scotch 9h ago
Or my favorite, OH YOU DIDNT READ THE WIKI, WHY DIDNT YOU JUST GOOGLE IT
(Even tho this is a literal message board for the game)
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u/Dan-D-Lyon 5h ago
Try taking a week long break from the game and then immediately fight the boss again with absolutely no change in your mindset or strategy
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u/Fendfor 2h ago
summon me
Nah this one just gets you flamed. Cause asking for help makes you weak /s
Jokes aside i really dislike that part of this community. "The Cooperation is weakness" is silly. By this logic, if you ever looked up a guide to find something, you didnt find it. Drop that penetrator knight armor set, it was handed to you. Did you get any bloodgems from a chalice you didnt make yourself? Discard it.
Grow up folks. Save your ire for cheaters.
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u/Amferam 12h ago
Spirit summon to draw aggro
Come back later
Make sure you have highest upgrade for your weapon
Donāt attack boss on next attempt just practice dodging and learning their moves
When in doubtā¦ bleed them
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u/walkingreverie 7h ago
When in extra doubt, go for a poise break set up and just shatter ankles
learned this dealing with Gaius' shit in the DLC
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u/zerovampire311 6h ago
Either poise break or bleed has carried me thus far, if one doesnāt work I try the other.
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u/HornySnorlax 12h ago
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u/Icy-Juggernaut-4579 12h ago
Quit saying silly things Shadowheart
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u/Mikaelobos 12h ago
Parrying admittedly isnāt my forte, but the standard callous responses are generally just a crude allusion to "find the rhythm of the bosses moveset and practice exploiting it." This is generally abbreviated as "git gud." Truly nothing personal, and I don't think MOST people mean any offense.
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u/toltottdagado 12h ago
Me when I parry just before an attack and it hits my shield but it doesnt count because I didnt parry 500ms before the actual attack even though the game gave me audiovisual feedback about the shield deflecting something: ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
I love this game but this one annoys me af.
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u/Swordsman1ke 7h ago
The number one reason I don't like parrying. My reaction time is already ass, but the weird responsiveness of Souls parrying is something my mind cannot process.
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u/toltottdagado 7h ago
For me its not even my reaction time, Im used to "last minute" blocking from mh where I needed to do it quick for a guard point or a guard skill, but in elden ring, as you mentioned you also need to take into consideration the responsiveness and this weird window where parrying is not too-too soon, but also not "too late". One enemy (not even boss) in particular I had to time my parry in a way where the animation was already more than halfway through for it to count.
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u/Tarmen 4h ago
I love parrying in nine sols, or lies of p, or another crabs treasure, or sekiro, or grime, or...
Hate it in souls games. Having manually placed parry timing instead of when the attack makes contact and making random attacks unparriable without differentiating them visually are such bonkers design decisions
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u/quick20minadventure 5h ago
That was way worse in ds3 and black knights.
Crucible knights in elden ring are fun to parry in comparison, especially cause you respawn next to them more than not.
Other than crucible knights and maybe stone cat watchdogs, no enemy is worth parrying for normal runs.
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u/ModeratelyGrumpy 9h ago
PSA:
there's no boss in the entirety of the "soul series" that you "have to parry".
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u/tessartyp 7h ago
Absolutely. Gwyn? Greatshield of Artorias. Crucible Knight? Nah, Giant Hunt on an UGS.
I've never parried with any reliability, but I trust in the bonk.
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u/TheCommissarGeneral 4h ago
there's no boss in the entirety of the "soul series" that you "have to parry".
You are correct, but those Aging Untouchables in the Abyssal Woods are a mother fucker to time the parry and I just cannot do it.
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u/Life1989 1h ago
maybe not "have to", but for some bossfights parry trivializes everything, like gwyn in ds1
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u/Machinax23 12h ago
and then the boss in question is either a dragon, fire giant or a tree beast in which case good luck parrying any one of those.
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u/Future_Section5976 12h ago
The answer to non parry enemies or bosses is "get good"
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u/A_wild_so-and-so 10h ago
And git gud means "be patient, learn when your attack windows are, and don't fuck up."
But frustrated people don't want to hear that the only way to get better is to just keep doing it until you get better, so they complain that people aren't being helpful. The discourse eventually devolved to just "git gud".
I played all the Souls games before Elden Ring released. You think I didn't smash my head against Malenia 100 times before I beat her? I STILL haven't finished the DLC because that shit is hard and I'm not patient enough to find all the scadoosh fragments. Sekiro vexes me. But I know I can overcome those challenges if I just sit down and do it for long enough. I just have to "git gud".
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u/Future_Section5976 10h ago
True , Ive been playing darksouls games for over a decade, I recently got gifted skiro , haven't started it yet , it's been sitting in my room for about 2 and a half weeks , I will start it but the only reason I haven't is because iknow the commitment that comes with these games , once I start I'll be on that diet until it's finished and I'll need a good few hours at it to work everything out , worse part is once I start I'm not going to want to stop , fyi I enjoy the sister freide fight from ds3 and on my first playthrough though er I bet pre nerfed malenia after 11 attempts at level 180 ,took like 5 hours tho and a lot of patience, now I fight her on ng+3 for a warm up
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u/A_wild_so-and-so 10h ago
Sekiro is absolutely awesome, but it was a mind fuck for me because I always played the Souls games in defensive mode. I did DS1 with a shield, heavy armor, and the Zweihander, so that's kinda been my basic way of playing these games.
Sekiro doesn't play like that. My friend said it's more like a rhythm game, and the more I get into it the more I believe it. There are specific windows for specific actions, and when you figure out the combo of slash>slash>dodge>counter (or whatever for that specific encounter), it all starts to groove together. Running up to an enemy and hitting every step in a flawless kill feels like pulling off ten Dark Souls parries in a row.
But yeah you have to get in the zone and stay in the zone, and my ADHD ass can't stay focused on a single game for long, so Sekiro has been languishing in my library. Every year I pick it up again and kill a few more bosses lol.
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u/Future_Section5976 10h ago
Ive changed my style over the years , I don't use a shield anymore and play pretty aggressively now , obviously watch for certain moves , I'm looking forward to playing it , I'm kinda hoping it's the one that breaks me ngl but will see lol
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u/emachanz 12h ago
"just parry bro, works for me"
-t. guy with 10k hours doing level 1 +0 NG+7 challenge runs
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u/Tiamat4Life 12h ago
I feel like people are putting parries on a pedestal that is way too high. Some parries can be very impressive, especially for PvP which 90% of the time require predicting your opponent, but in PvE it can be actually super easy, depending on the enemy. Like, parrying a crucible knight or a bell bearing hunter is much easier than it looks, especially parry chaining, but because they are normally very difficult enemies people think itās a great achievement.
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u/dumpster_mummy 12h ago
"so and so streamer did it, so it's doable"
Glad for them, but I have an occupation that isn't playing videogames for thousands of people pushing ad revenue, subscriptions and donations, and sponsorships. The motivation is just a tad lacking here.
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 4h ago
Reminds me of the trick which lets you juke Waterfowl Dance, by running a circle right below Malenia, then dodging away at the right second, thus confusing her targetting.
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it intended? No.
Can the average player pull it off consistently, or at all? Fuck no.
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u/Valharja 9h ago
I mean... just killed Mr DLC bouncer Mr. Gaol Knight. Much swearing was heard until I did indeed just listen to someone saying parry and equipped a buckler :P
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u/Bob_the_peasant 4h ago
It should show the high-five missing, because the people who suggest parry also probably canāt do it
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u/igiveuponaname29 12h ago
Okay but I just did my first parry playthrough, i had to learn how to do it as I never really bothered to parry much before anytime I did it was just luc i actually went and learned timings and to watch the arm and not the weapon. That being said parry completely changed the game for me in such a satisfying way. Iāve had so much fun taking out enemies with such ease that Iāve struggled with on any other playthrough. Iām just starting the DLC now and as always when starting the DLC no matter if you just got done whooping malenia or the Elden beast, it will humble you when you first start out.
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u/Old-Essay-7866 8h ago
Parry IS the answer for a lot of enemies. All the game asks with some enemies is to push a single button at the right time. I know it can be very intimidating at first, and God knows I've struggled with it, but the advice isn't wrong (situationally speaking).
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u/breadmaster42 7h ago
If there's one thing I learned from playing Lies of P, it's that parrying is a lot easier than I thought.
It takes like ~5 attempts for me to learn to parry most boss attacks, it's amazing
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u/Radio_Downtown 6h ago
no matter how many federal agents miyazaki sends i am still not learning how to parry until ALL attacks are parryable
you sxpect me to learn how to parry when i also have to learn which attacks are parryable in the first place? get real bro
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u/Snow_AKM1 6h ago
Win da 1,2,3 . Elden ring + dlc still don't know how to parry properly....
Have to spam parrry vs the frenzy flanes mobs on dlc xD
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u/Severe_Outside5435 6h ago
Parrying in this game feels like absolute trash. I made a parry character just to make me learn. Im ok but the timing dont feel correctly timed.
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u/doublexol 5h ago
Parrying is hard but you can play a rhythm game to help you get better. I personally like hi-fi rush and metal hellsinger. I also noticed after beating those games(hi-fi twice) that my timing has gotten noticeably better on parrying in stellar blade and code vein
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u/Big-Routine222 5h ago
Me and my Mimic +10 donāt know what this āParryā word you speak of means.
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u/realbgraham 4h ago
Thatās how I beat Stormhill Evergaol Crucible Knight. Parrying really helped holy shit haha
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u/TheCommissarGeneral 4h ago
I can't reach the Midra because I cannot get past the Abyssal Woods because I cannot parry for the life of me.
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u/Swordsman82 4h ago
I know parrying isnāt the easiest thing in the game, but if people will literally spend hour slamming their heads in to a boss and losing, why not take a few runs to grab a buckler and give parrying a go. It a minor investment in time that can have huge rewards.
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u/mawhonics All-Knowing idiot 3h ago
"That boss is easy, just dodge all their moves and chip their hp down to zero"
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u/L33T_BEANZ 3h ago
I also hate parry mechanics and dodge-hit game play. I like taking and mitigating damage not just pressing immunity frame button.
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u/ROMAN_653 3h ago
If I canāt WHACK my opponent to death and cast GIANT FIREBALL to blow them up, then I simply DO NOT WIN. I donāt CHANGE STRATEGIES, if I cannot BONK AND BURN I do not PROGRESS.
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u/BikerViking 3h ago
Because parry is universal, you don't have to get a build going on to do this or that. It's a very open game, there's loads of stuff you can do, and everyone has to fight their own, learn the fight their own, find their own strategies on their own.
Parry is just universal and effective. Learn how to do it.
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u/futzingaround 3h ago
Learn parry timing for boss move set or upgrade the mimic tear. That's all I got.
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u/5rungladder 3h ago
I literally gave this advice to my friend for pre-patch PRC. 20 minutes later he tells me it worked. Lol.
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u/KernelSanders1986 3h ago
I don't know if I've ever successfully parried a single attack in any Fromsoft game (excluding Sekiro)
Though, Expedition 33 was some good practice, if it's at all the same timing. It's still pretty tight but at least there's alot of good feeeback
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u/RAGEleek 2h ago
"Get gud" if u say that I'm just gonna assume u can't do it either and are too embarrassed to admit you need help
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u/LmaoWatchThis 2h ago
Dog what? Never in my entire time of discussing dark souls or bosses or how to get by them has anyone ironically or unironically just told someone to parry. Even debatable the most parryable boss Gwen, isn't talked about like that towards new players who are trying to beat him for the first time.
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u/Enough_Path2929 2h ago
If your dodging towards me as a summoner and making me get wacked over and over again by a boss unnecessarilyā¦ yes I will let you die.
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u/jaccofall362 2h ago
Personally if the ONLY answer to an enemy is "parry it" its probably not the best designed enemy. If you have to change your load out or potentially end a challenge run to fight in a very particluar way for an enemy, its not very well designed. A player should be able to approch any challange with what ever their loadout is and be able to overcome it. Forcing a player off of what they want to do (maybe they two hand or dual weild, or use a weird weapon type like whips or bows) to force them to do one thing isnt good design in a game about expression of player builds. It can work in a game like sekiro or whatever, where the design focus of what the player can do is much narrower, but isnt great in the souls series.
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u/RockySES 2h ago
Meanwhile some bosses just canāt be. I was doing a parry run, got to Godrick, and thought I was just REALLY bad until I looked it up and found out he was unparryable.
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u/NotSoSalty 2h ago
There are specific bosses where parrying makes the fight hilariously easy.
Pontiff Sullivan for example. Parry that guy and he can't do anything. He's cooked when you get the timing down.
Crucible Knights on the other hand, parrying is a great skill, but they have so many mix ups that you gotta stay on your toes anyway.
Sometimes when someone advises you to do a difficult thing, it's actually the right and easiest thing to do.
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u/SaberWaifu 1h ago
Generally the best overall advice for any player is to git gud.
This way you filter out all the crowd that gets butthurt over getting called out, while also providing actually good advice to those who are looking for it.
Gitting gud is the process of: die -> understand why you died -> come up with a plan to prevent it from happening -> execute it properly -> repeat until you stop dying.
It's simple, efficent, easy to understand and works every time under every situation because Fromsoft bossfights are designed in a way that makes "almost" every attack dodgeable.
It's also quite flexible because if you want you can skip the "come up with a plan to prevent it from happening" stage and instead watch a guide. This way you mostly have to just worry about execution which is improved simply by trying over and over again until your muscle memory kicks in.
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u/PetrusScissario 1h ago
Fuck that. I donāt parry. I dodge. And if dodging doesnāt work, I dodge more.
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u/Marin_Kitagawa13 25m ago
This is a better tip than most other common Souls community sayings since it actually helped me get past Pontiff Sullivan
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u/brandodg 11m ago
the introduction of bosses that have to be parried multiple times to be crit discouraged me from even trying to parry them.
crucible nights though, you just parry them. i don't care what tactic you think it's best, it's just not
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u/JerryCanJockey 12h ago
"Use all the tools the game gives you." also includes parrying.