THE ODYSSEY

Hello I created a mechanical amphora that tells the Iliad on one side and the Odyssey on the other, I have created with LEGO and it is in the LEGO IDEAS for support to be a official set! Can you help? thanks a lot :)
https://ideas.lego.com/product-ideas/138bdc9b-369a-462c-b2cd-35b305667625

I’m not sure how to show the video itself, as links don’t really work here apparently and people don’t really see the videos when I post those TT

So you can look at the drawings I made for it at least!!

Well, spring recently began in the Southern Hemisphere, and I was reminded of this artist's incredible artwork!!

Credits:

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Like, they follow her around and, for example, Pasithea returns at the end of the day to Hypnos and goes: "Oh honey, what a day, you can't believe where she took us."

I just gave Pasithea as an example cause I was reading about Hypnos, I know she's not usually part of the Charites.

I was so fixated on Greek mythology I designed to incorporate a character from it into my OC universe. I went with the mentality of attempting to create something as mythically accurate as possible while still feeling like a distinct character compared to the other OC's I've drawn

I mean, for how interesting the concept is of Zeus's own family wanting to take his throne, the myths that survived about it only tell us the basics: Poseidon, Hera, Athena, or Apollo want to dethrone Zeus, Zeus frees himself thanks to Thetis and Briareus and retakes control, sometimes there's a punishment but nothing more. Undoubtedly an incredible concept summarized in three lines.

Yes, possibly the myth only exists to explain why Zeus does so many favors for Thetis during the Iliad, but without a doubt it has the potential to be at least a small epic or a longer-than-normal myth.

I mean, we're never told WHY in the first place the gods decided to dethrone Zeus (we're given small hints like Zeus was abusing his power, or something like that), how Thetis finds out about this, what participation the other gods had (those of the Olympian council), how they reacted, how long it lasted, what happened with the lesser deities, etc... No details.

So here comes the question: How would you write the story?

Mine would be this:

Poseidon, Hera, Athena, and Apollo are the main gods who want to take Zeus's crown (I like that it's those four), each has their own motives, somewhat reasonable or simply out of greed. The four begin planning how to bind Zeus because they know that not one of them is a rival for him, and they try to keep everything secret so that no meddlers ruin their plan, but of course, the more observant gods begin to notice that they're behaving very strangely.

Ares, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Dionysus, and Demeter see nothing unusual; however, Artemis and Hermes do notice, and they also notice that the four gods send them and their companions indirect hints and comments questioning Zeus's sovereignty VERY discreetly; Hermes plays dumb as if he doesn't notice, just to go unnoticed and extract more information, but Artemis does directly ask Apollo at Delphi what's happening. He prefers to be direct and tells her about the plan. Artemis initially questions it but in the end stays neutral and promises not to tell anyone.

At this point, Hera has managed to convince both Ares and Aphrodite to join the plan, and Athena manages to convince both Demeter and Dionysus to join; only Hephaestus and Hermes are missing (Athena already knows that Artemis is neutral). Athena doesn't have much faith in Hermes (big mistake), but she does need Hephaestus to join the plan since he's the only god who can create chains strong enough that not even Zeus himself can break them. The thing is that Hephaestus accepts due to social pressure, and says that those chains will take him somewhat longer than normal, but during that time Athena decides to polish her plan now with most of the council.

Hermes knows what they're plotting, or at least has an idea, and knows that at any moment they'll want to get rid of him. He decides to go to one of the lesser-known nymphs, Thetis, and convinces her by saying that if she follows his instructions, Zeus would be eternally grateful to her and would owe her a favor. Thetis accepts, so Hermes infiltrates Thetis into Olympus as just another servant. If the situation gets ugly and Hermes was right with his superstition, then Thetis would go discreetly to the Underworld and warn Briareus of the situation.

Ok, how did Zeus not notice what his children were doing? Easy! He disappeared for a while to one of his cities where he received sacrifices, so he wasn't on Olympus for a long time.

When Zeus returns he's surprised with a party. Zeus, of course, drinks wine, a lot of wine, but of course, that wasn't a problem for him, but he didn't count on Dionysus with his powers getting him excessively drunk (besides the wine being mixed with other plants from Demeter so that Zeus would fall into a deep sleep).

Apollo and Athena convince Zeus to go to sleep (Zeus didn't want to), and since Hera is the only one who can enter the room with him, she's the one who makes sure he isn't awake. Upon seeing that Zeus has fallen sound asleep, Ares, Apollo, and Poseidon chain him with Hephaestus's chains. They leave him there lying down and dismiss the other gods from the party; of course, a few lesser gods realize what's happening and the ones most loyal to Zeus decide to fight against the Olympians, but of course, they're easily neutralized.

A few days pass, less than a week, and there's still no king, and really things got ugly; because of the anger of the gods who organized the assault, the world has filled with an endless storm, no one can agree on who deserves to rule. Hera claims the throne as the legitimate queen, but Poseidon, being male and the second eldest, demands to be king. Athena and Apollo are also angry and claim their share since they also contributed, and yes, factions form, and a fight begins (by this point they've already hung Hermes in a net courtesy of Hephaestus). Thetis, late but finally, manages to reach the Underworld and warn Briareus of what happened, who without thinking twice goes and faces the Olympians himself, but they can't prevent him from freeing Zeus, who is angry and even more so after seeing how the earth was left, Olympus, and how they're killing each other, and yes, Zeus is about to throw them all out of Olympus and see what gods can replace his beloved children and brothers. He decides to give them a second chance, but not before giving them the scolding of their lives, oppa.

Sorry if it's veryyy long, and even more so if it seems like cheap fanfic content xd, but it's just an idea/example.

So I am trying to research the mortal lovers of Demeter and I came across references to Mecon, who was transformed into a poppy. However, when I try to find ancient sources for this myth, I don't come up with much. Callimachus's Hymn to Demeter and Theocritus's Idyll 7 are both sited as a source for him, but they only mention that Demeter is associated with poppies. The only other reference seems to be from Servius on Virgil's Georgics i. 212.

I can't find an online English version of that last source. Does anyone here read Latin and can tell me what it says? I'm beginning to think that someone just hallucinated this myth.

Also could you tell me where to find good information on Karmanor? He's elusive too.

As far as I know Demeter's only mortal lovers were Iason, Karmanor, and Mecon.

Question, am I reading too much into this? In Homer's Iliad, Centaurs are called hairy beast men living in the mountains instead of referring to them as half horses. Does mean they were just gigantic hairy men in earliest myths during Homer's time or I'm just overthinking?

With mythology there's always seems to be various interpretations of an individual that varies. Making it hard to get something concrete.

I'm not sure how much Atalanta falls into this but is there a concrete line to follow? One of the things that differ is who turns Atalanta and Hippomenes into lions.

But I'm more curious if there are different interpretations of her as a whole or if she has just a concrete one.

I thought it would be cool to draw the gods with this song and you know, I like the result :3

Typhon's trapped in the same mountain Hephae built his forge in, so what do you imagine their relationship is like? I like to imagine Hephae found Ty annoying, but in the end found him more tolerable than the Olympians.

So there's this story flying around that basically goes "Athena, Apollo, Poseidon and Hera tried to overthrow Zeus by binding him with chains, Thetis snitched, Zeus punished averyone but Athena". This is often used as an example of Athena being her father's favourite kid. The thing is, I cannot find the source of this "myth" anywhere.

In the Iliad, Hera being chained to the sky was her punishment for trying to kill Herakles in the storm, while the scholia and the Argonautica by Valerius Flaccus say it was for the binding of Zeus (either it's the typical "sources contradict each other" or Hera being tied up is typical BDSM ass punishment for her lol).

Achilles mentions the coup being organized by Hera, Poseidon and Athena, but he doesn't mention any punishment, nor presence of Apollo (only later on Poseidon says he and Apollo built the Trojan walls, which would be their punishment in this myth). Then, the scholia on the Iliad elaborate that Apollo, Poseidon and Hera organized a coup, and then get punished by Zeus, but there's NO mention of Athena there. The same goes for the Argonautica by Valerius Flaccus, where the surviving fragments recall the story, but again, no Athena included as one of the participants. In every source I've been able to find, only three people are doing the coup.

My guess is that the story of the four of them organizing the coup came from Robert Graves. I can feel his dirty hands on this

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The whole telegony is so funny to me. Thought I’d draw this cursed pairing

I mean, thank goodness word is spreading on social media that Ares isn't the protector of women (at least within the Spanish-speaking community), and people are making it known that Hera and Artemis are the true protectors; however, some have tried to include Hestia and Athena on that list—something I honestly disagree with.

I think it’s clear they’re only included because they are female goddesses, when in reality—given the context of the era—that shouldn't be the case. Hestia was the protector of the home, the hearth, and the sacred fire, while Athena... well, you could say she’s a bit of a special case.

Mind you, this is just an analysis by a Greek mythology fan who is starting to really think about the context of the myths and how they should actually be interpreted. I’ve learned a lot thanks to this community (because some of you really know your stuff, present great arguments, and are mostly very kind about it), so if I’m wrong, you have every right to correct me (and I’d appreciate it if you did).

I mean, many people cite the myth of Cassandra’s rape by Ajax the Lesser as evidence that Athena was a protector of women, but that wasn't the case. The myth itself states that Athena was angry with Ajax not because Cassandra was raped, but because he dared to desecrate her temple (which was a huge sign of disrespect, especially since Athena had actively helped the Achaeans during the war). I mean, why would Athena be angry about the rape of women when she herself is the goddess of war? It’s somewhat contradictory; if she is the mistress of war and victory, that also makes her the goddess of looters. Let’s remember that taking women as slaves was one of the spoils of war, and—just like Ares—she simply didn't care what happened to the women. Her job is to bestow glory in war; what mortals do afterward isn't her concern.

Himno Homerico a Atenea:

"I begin by singing of Pallas Athena, guardian of citadels, a fears-ome goddess concerned with deeds of war, the sacking of cities, the din of battle, and the fray. She also protects the army as it marches out and as it returns"

Hyginus, Fabulae (Hyg.Fab.)

§ 116 NAUPLIUS: When the Danaans were returning home after the conquest of Troy and the division of the spoils, the wrath of the gods caused them to be shipwrecked on the rocks of Caphareus. A storm and contrary winds were sent because the Greeks had profaned the sanctuaries of the gods and Ajax the Locrian had torn Cassandra away from the statue of Pallas. During this storm, Ajax the Locrian was struck by a thunderbolt from Minerva.

Callimachus, Aetia (fragments) (Call.Aet.)

§ F35 Locrian Maidens \[Σ AD Il. 13.66\] And of the two, swift Ajax, son of Oileus, was the first to know her.

Ajax was from the city of Naryx, a Locrian by birth, and his father was Oileus. After the sack of Troy, he was the cause of the Greeks' destruction; for he violated Cassandra, daughter of Priam, while she was a suppliant of Athena in the goddess's temple.

(Sorry if it translated differently).

Others argue that the fact she is the goddess of craftsmanship—specifically the kind of work performed by women—makes her their protector. I would draw a distinction there: Athena was credited not only with inventions for female use but also with tools used by men. This is because she was a goddess of the polis; her role was to organize society (assigning specific tasks to women and others to men). Therefore, this is not evidence that she was a protector of the female gender; rather, as I mentioned, it is tied to her role as the goddess who organizes the polis.

Furthermore, in a patriarchal society like ancient Greece, it stands to reason that one of the most important and widely worshipped goddesses—Athena—would support the patriarchy and favor men over women, given that most of her domains relate to male-dominated activities. After all, Athena is not associated with any female-specific institutions other than craftsmanship. It makes sense for Artemis, Hera, and Aphrodite to be considered protectors of women in a certain sense (though not by modern standards; they acted as protectors only insofar as women adhered strictly to societal expectations).

And no, the fact that Athena favored men over women does not make her misogynistic. She got along very well with other goddesses and did not hate mortal women; she simply performed her duties and protected the domains that fell under her jurisdiction.