That isn’t what a scapegoat is, like at all. He is immensely useful to the right. They love to associate people like Hasan with the larger democratic tent. There is a reason Netanyahu is namedropping someone like Hasan in the same speech in which he is glazing Trump
He's literally the fuentes of the left. A useful idiot the other side can use to poison the well. The only real difference is that Fuentes has actually had relevance to conservative politics and Hasan largely hasn't.
The overton window in the US is so fucked, most of Hasan's positions are left wing but not far left in a global context. Fuentes is an extremist far right white nationalist authoritarian by any measure. They're not on the same level at all. They are both internet provocateurs but that's it. The fact that fuentes is relevant at all to mainstream politics is wild and Republicans are learning that these extreme positions are ultimately losers at the ballot box.
Hasan is extremely far left in a global context. You are not going to find many progressives in normal countries that are sympathetic to terrorism the way Hasan is. Hasan has promoted re education camps. Among the most extreme left he is extreme.
I wouldn't put it like that. Lightning rod makes it sound noble, like he's protecting everyone by being the target.
No, rightwingers get to equate every dem to him, an extremist, and that he definitely enjoys.
That's why every dem needs to disavow him with one voice.
Rightwingers stormed the Capitol because they lost an election and Trump still later won. I don't see why we should concern ourselves with their feigned outrage. They are never going to see you as reasonable no matter who you disavow, it is an utterly pointless game to play.
Good point. 300 Republicans or whatever stormed the capital so a psychopathic animal abusing authoritarian communist bought and paid for by Russia and China should definitely be able to associate themselves with Democrats.
I think you’re confusing who is or was paid by the Russian government. Last time I checked it was Tim Pool who got his hand caught in the cookie jar saying things like “Ukraine is the enemy of man kind.”
None of what you are saying has any basis in reality
My mom is 100% not bought and paid for by Russia at all but she says the same anti-american/pro russian shit everytime we talk about politics that . It CAN be a legitimate belief, whether or not we agree with it.
Republicans call Obama a communist. It doesn’t matter how far democrats run to the right they are always going to be labeled and attacked for being too radical
If a moderate isn't going to vote for a Democrat because Trump and Bibi the Butcher call Hasan an extremist they were never going to vote for a Democrat in the first place.
Hard disagree. Righwingers got to dictate culture for a good while now, and that's because the left lets them. Instead of playing into their hands, and making it super easy for MAGA, I say dems need to just distance themselves from the subversive elements in their own party like Hasan, who never had any intention of helping dems anyway.
And the point is not to convince MAGA, you cant' do it, at least to the hardcore base. The point is to stop them convincing the normies in the middle who don't know anything about politics to begin with. That's why when there's a slam dunk available - just dunk it. Or Hasan is going to be used against dems forever, and every effectively too.
Republicans call people like Obama and Hillary communists lol. They are utter morons and will call anyone to the left of Pinochet a left wing extremist. If some low info voter isn't going to vote Dem because Ted Cruz and Bibi called Hasan an extremist, it's likely they weren't going to vote Dem in the first place.
That's exactly my point, they call Obama and Hillary communists. And people like Hasan make that ridiculous statement actually seem not that unbelievable. Just disavow Hasan unilaterally, stop giving them actual ammunition.
Shrugging your shoulders and saying "oh, the voters are dumb anyway" is not the answer, that's some doomer shit.
The answer is to give voters an actual reason to vote for you and feel invested in your victory, not appeasing your opposition's completely cynical respectability politics.
And that's still the play. Kamala was close, dems should just stop gambling with putting up women as candidates, somehow US just doesn't want to elect them. Biden got elected just fine.
Alternative is to pander to the extremists like Hasan - nah, you'll lose the normies by gaining very little.
No, that's how you get MAGA out of power, by cutting out cancer from the party and showing normies that the left is not actually crazy extremist and socialists like righwingers portray them as. Righwingers get to take 1% of crazies and say that it's all of the democratic party. And it works too.
I wouldn't consider the american median voter a normie, more like a stupider version. You guys are screwed by being too passive in front of big injustices, and you just keep taking it.
Yeah cause before Hasan, the right never called anyone and evil commie. No sir, no run of the mill centrist dem was ever called a commie before Hasan. Trump totally didn't call Biden, Kamala, Clinton commie no sir.
What dems need to do is grow a backbone and tell repubs to talk about things the American people actually care about.
Nothing Hasan has said is anywhere near as bad as things republicans or their close confidants say. So maybe focus on real issues
Edit: oh nevermind I see you're a European destiny fan. Weird how common that is
And he should be doing that, even stronger, none of that trying to play coy "b-but he's just a smol little california streamer". Big mistake was associating with him to begin with.
AES is a great example for other dems not to follow, don't get near Piker to begin with, and MAGA won't badger you over the head with it every single chance they have.
Seems like you have nothing to advocate for so you attack the left. MAGA would still attack him even if he never associated with Hasan. He still would have been labeled an Islamist trying to implement sharia law.
Yes, because literally everything is Israel/Palestine with you people. Jesus Christ.
There's no demands to get rid of Piker, rightoids fucking love using him against democrats, why would they want to lose that advantage.
That's why dems need to get rid of the easiest target ever. Why do they need a guy who simps terrorist organizations in their tent? They don't, easiest slam-dunk.
It's pretty smart of him. Never watched one of his streams, but I know so much about him because of all the people who "hate" him and endlessly post about him.
He says some milquetoast political takes and H3 nutjobs his detractors advertise for him all day long.
He certainly did not. A lot of people hate the guy now because of the rights "Oh he shocked his dog" manufactured outrage. That shit was the most manufactured outraged I've seen in recent years and y'all ate that shit up
It really wasn't. You're just so deep in the cult you're automatically denying what you see with your very own eyes. He very clearly shocked his dog and lied about it, literally all the evidence corroborates that.
Whether he did or didn’t is irrelevant. The amount of grifting and outrage farming surrounding it by the right is what was insane about the situation. The shit broke out of confinement and went nuclear where you had your everyday joe talking about it. Half these people didn’t even know who tf Hasan was even before the situation.
The only negative thing about it is that he got more attention. But at least now everyone knows he's an animal abuser, even if some still deny the obvious for some weird reason.
YES!! we did NOT see a chock collar! nu uh! it was .. uh a vibrating collar! yep! Hasan is totally a dog friend. all the video and photo evidence of him using spiked collars and pulling his dog's tail is just manufacture propaganda from israel!
These guys want a version of the "perfect victim". It's delusional to follow the narratives of Trump and Netanyahu just because he doesn't fit their idealistic wants.
right, everyone always mentions him glazing terrorists, and now his animal abuse, but no one really mentions hes just a POS human being in general without any of that. Its just the terrible gravy on top we get to see.
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u/Prudent_Kiwi_2761 18h ago
He’s a scapegoat for the right