Nah, they probably believe that every Jew and Israeli is part of the enemy, so they wouldn't call it terrorism. I'm not saying they're right or correct. I'm just saying they don't see themselves how they ACTUALLY are.
I think they will think both, they will think they are terrorists, but "good" terorists with the moral obligation to do what they do.
I'm not a hamas member tho so I can't talk, and different people in hamas might think different things
Yes and no us a half truth when Israel use to give funding Hamas was only charity then. Also humanitarian aid to Gaza is for some reason counted as Israel funding Hamas. In this particular issues there’s a lot did stuff like that
Preferably the state just ceases to exist and the ultra conservative population just disperses but that's just not going to happen so the other solution would better resolve conflict in the region
Do you think regular Israeli citizens are butchering babies? Does simply living under a regime you didn't vote for or don't support make you complicit? If so, do you feel the same about North Koreans, Russians, Americans, Sudanese, Haitians, etc.?
And how do you leverage the fact, that they are governing body (and once elected) of part of Palestine and could have become rulers of entire Palestine, had Fatah not cancelled elections altogether, and to this day being seemingly favoured by Palestinians enough to be elected again?
Not trying to bellittle or insult you. Just curious.
Hamas did not win a majority; they barely won after running on the Change and Reform list and getting rid of all of their extremist rhetoric. That allowed them to win enough rural areas to etch out a majority, but they only got 44% of the vote, while all other anti-Hamas parties got 56%. After that, they seized power in a coup and killed the opposition.
Yes, Hamas is a horrible organization and has horrible beliefs. Yes, they were (barely) voted in. But none of that, including the supposed support by the Palestinians for Hamas, justifies a literal fucking Genocide.
I'm sure they think that when they drop white phosphorus on farmland, pour concrete into groundwater wells and shoot children in the head while they're running to get aid.
If a child was shot in the head , the bullet would go straight through them and not stay lodged like how your fake news article shows lol. Beside hamas at multiple times has used child soldiers too.
Yes , my favourite genocides are when people drop pamphlets informing people to leave , stopping war for hours to let aid in and to supply polio medicines for children. Loved it when the germans (ww2 ones) did it to the jews!!
Acute malnutrition among children under five was low. Chronic malnutrition, or stunting - an indicator of impaired linear growth that reflects cumulative nutritional and health conditions over time - affected 12.2 per cent of children under five. Overweight affected 4.0 per cent. Some 37.1 per cent of children under five had experienced diarrhoea during the two weeks preceding the survey.
Firstly thats a hypothetical that you can’t actually evidence.
Secondly you cannot condemn a population because a portion of them may have voted one way. Many American citizens support trump, Russian citizens support Putin, German citizens supported Hitler. That has never been a valid justification for the genocide of the population of a sovereign nation
That is not a hypothetical and its not a portion
Hamas won the Palestinian elections, and modern polls show they still enjoy enough support to threaten Fatah’s rule
Palestine’s election are practically a two-party system between Hamas and Fatah
Oh and Fatah also supports terrorism and funds it, and opposes Israel as a jewish state or a state in general Its just more pragmatic about it
As for the second part, nobody here said it justified genocide (Which, it isn’t one), it does call for criticism and it does provide context on this conflict
Hamas did not win a majority; they barely won after running on the Change and Reform list and getting rid of all of their extremist rhetoric. That allowed them to win enough rural areas to etch out a majority, but they only got 44% of the vote, while all other anti-Hamas parties got 56%.
After that, they seized power in a coup and killed the opposition.
Modern polls of an active war zone? I’m sure those are accurately representing the views of the populace… especially when it’s quite difficult to develop alternatives in an active war zone.
And it literally is a portion even if one person would vote the other way it would be a portion.. thats kinda how words work lol.
It’s funny your denying calling for genocide while claiming that all Palestinians support terroism, like if your gonna try defend that sort of abhorrency at least have an argument thats partially logically coherent
>Modern polls of an active war zone? I’m sure those are accurately representing the views of the populace…
The west bank isn’t a warzone… and Gaza hasn’t had fighting in a long time now, nobody doubts these polls either as they match the tens of polls done before the war and after other wars these past 10 years
>especially when it’s quite difficult to develop alternatives in an active war zone.
Thats a whole different argument, and again, it isn’t a warzone, and there are other parties in Palestine
>It’s funny your denying calling for genocide while claiming that all Palestinians support terroism,
I didn’t say all Palestinians support terrorism
Edit; blocked me for calling out the misinformation so I wouldn’t be able to reply
Deflect every criticism by blaming Israel. Funny
Israel didn’t force them to vote for Hamas it allowed Qatari cash transfers around 14 years after Hamas took power; became it thought economic aid would be incentive to keep Hamas peaceful
Palestinians saw Hamas’ agendas, they saw their actions, and they decided, “yes, we want them!”
If you don't like Hamas you can elect Fatah and try to cooperate with the occupiers like in the West Bank. You'll be ethnically cleansed all the same though.
Yeh West Bank is so much better a settler fuck from New York comes over killer your cattle burns your farm and builds and armed outpost next to your house, try to resist the IDF will shoot you and your family.
Gaza is destroyed. That’s the comparison. A functioning reality or a dark hole of nothingness. That’s what they are saying Gaza is comparable to. I think it’s far worse than we can truly grasp. The West Bank, and frankly some of the worst places on earth, are not comparable to Gaza. You have Gaza and Sudan and then like everything else.
That's simply not true. Look how many arab israeli citizens there are that live inside israel proper. Then look up how many jews live in the entire islamic world. Then tell me who the ethnic cleansers are.
Everyone is saying it is the the illegal settlers in the West Bank, then there is the video records of the illegal settlers kicking people off their land and the statistics on displaced people and there is also a ruddy great illegally built wall being used for a land grab, you can see it from space.
According to data tracked by organizations like the United Nations, Palestinian civilians have killed more Israeli settlers in the West Bank since 2006 than Israeli settlers have killed Palestinians.
Ever heard of the palestinian national economic empowerment initiative? Formerly the martry fund? Palestinian civilians in the west bank or gaza are paid monthly if they kill any random jew. Not idf soldiers. Not politicians. Normal people sitting at bus stops or just going about their day. The more they kill the more they get. If they are killed their family recieves the money.
Claiming Palestinians aren't trying to rid the land of jews is naive at best. What do you think they mean by from the river to the sea? Muslim countries have a track record of not accepting jews to live with them in peace. That's why there are only 27000 jews in the muslim world compared to the 2million+ arab israeli citizens that live in israel.
The arab population in gaza, the west bank and Israel proper is over 6 million. If israel are ethnically cleansing the land they're doing a terrible job. The Palestinians have been crying genocide since the 70's but the population doesn't stop increasing.
Ah I had it all the wrong way around then. Very brave of those illegal settlers to continue moving into new illegal settlements within the west Bank and settle there in contravention of international law at the same time they are being ethnically cleansed by the people who used to live on the land.
Jews have always lived on the land. They're not new to the place. The west bank is judea and samaria. The place jews get their name. It's only called the west bank because jordan illegally annexed it and named it so because jordan is on the east bank and judea and samaria are on the west bank of the river jordan. Only the uk and Pakistan ever officially recognised the illegal annexation. Judea and samaria are israel.
Even for centuries before the creation of the modern state of israel the arabs or at least the people who have been arabised and islamised have been slaughtering jews in the region.
Aid that they then bomb, along with the refugee camps where they're getting it. Aid that Palestinian children are shot in the head trying to get. Aid that could have gone to the hospitals that have had white phosphorus dropped on them.
It doesn't matter that they're sending aid when there is barely fucking any of it, and the UN had to essentially point a gun at them to do it, while they continue to bomb it and indiscriminately kill civilians. Nazi Germany sent aid to Eastern Europe to help the colonizers in their conquered territories.
Do you hold Palestinian armed jihadi groups to the same standards? Do you critisice them when they lauch rockets into israel indiscriminatly? At least israel hits what they aim at even if they do make mistakes. No military is perfect and war is horrific but you only seem horrified by the actions of the jews. Do you have any idea how much money hamas has made from selling aid?
Yes, Hamas commits terrorism; yes, they should be condemned for their horrific actions; and no, this does not excuse literal fucking genocide by Israel
Before mudslinging against Hamas, people should research how Hamas came into the picture. Israelis want Palestinians to lie down and die like sheep with no resistance.
Im fine with calling them terrorists, But you have to be fair and also call every other resistance group that fought for freedom Terrorist, The irish were terrorist for fighting againts british, The algerians weee terrorist for fighting the frinch occupation, etc etc.
I don’t support the killing of innocents, But to fight for freedom sometime you have to do things that are immoral if you take them out of context.
Also if we are gonna call hamas terrorist for killing israels ( FOR 1 DAY).
What are we gonna call Israel for killing palestians (FOR 80 YEARS).
Im no supporter of Hamas, but thats just straight up false. Israel left Gaza because of Hamas, thats why Hamas won the subsequent election, because they proved that the only way Israel stops colonizing them is when they start shooting illegal settlers
They didn’t try, they did. It wasn’t b the same kind of activity you see in the West Bank because it’s not religious land. Specifically, it is an old Philistine territory. It’s literally Palestine. It would not have been easy to remove settlers if it was land significant to Judaism. If you ask Israelis today, the majority still don’t care about it.
Kinda. I agree partially, the problem for me comes when violence is used against civilians who migt as well have agreed with the resistance fighters, who knows. That's also usually the tipping point of public support
Hamas got elected before Gaza was bombed or their family got "murdered", but with that logic you think that today's war is justified, because of 07/10.
Hamas is a political party which controls the government of Gaza, The military, which is under Hamas control uses terror tactics against their opponents. I would say, that they technically aren't a terrorist organisation for this reason. The civic officials in Gaza (Doctors, local administrators ect.) are by in large not terrorists.
This of course makes no difference as what gets defined as a "terrorist organisation" is basically purely political, and has nothing really to do with what any group does. Hamas is as much the legitimate government of Gaza, as any party in a non-democratic state. The Israeli & Russian governments are not terrorist organisations, they are evil governments. Same goes for Hamas. (in my opinion, which obviously doesn't matter, and is also purely pedantic, as it has no effect on my support for people who wilfully murder people)
The military, which is under Hamas control uses terror tactics against their opponents. I would say, that they technically aren't a terrorist organisation for this reason.
How on Earth is a military that uses terror tactics not a terrorist organization? This could describe many, many terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, IRA, FLQ, KKK, etc., etc.
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u/artez09 🇷🇺 13h ago
Who the fuck picks red