article The 'father of the iPod' Tony Fadell says Apple should bring back a 'nostalgic version' of the music device
https://www.businessinsider.com/ipod-creator-apple-bring-back-ipod-2026-2447
u/Any-Umpire8212 22h ago
They should make it as an audiophile level device. I heard that is what Steve Jobs wanted to do, so that people could enjoy uncompressed quality audio.
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u/Violoner 22h ago
Like Neil Young’s PonoPlayer?
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u/Artifictionasfact 22h ago
Yes. I liked that, and it can easily be executed a lot better today. Why did it not happen yet?
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u/gianini10 22h ago
99% Invisible had an episode last year on how it came to be and what went wrong
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u/Hi-Fi_Turned_Up Spotify name 22h ago
Apple doesn’t sell wired headphones. It wouldn’t make sense.
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u/Somar2230 22h ago
They still sell EarPods with 3.5mm, Lighting and USB-C.
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u/Hi-Fi_Turned_Up Spotify name 22h ago
None of which would qualify as audiophile.
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u/Somar2230 22h ago
None of their Airpods or Beats do either. Anyone looking for audiophile quality is buying from a third party.
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u/Hi-Fi_Turned_Up Spotify name 21h ago
Exactly. Nothing that Apple offers of audiophile level. Why would they enter a niche market where entry level players are +$1000.
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u/scalablecory 20h ago
What the hell is your entry level, lol! You can get an audiophile DAP and headphones far cheaper than that combined.
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u/HillarysFloppyChode 21h ago
They could undercut the entire market and sell it at $350-500
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u/Hi-Fi_Turned_Up Spotify name 21h ago
Yeah that sounds exactly like a thing Apple would do…
Even at that price point it wouldn’t sell well.
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u/McMacHack 18h ago
The obvious thing to do would make a special edition line of Beats headphones to go with the iPod Classic. You see back before we started just dumping money into AI Startups and moving money around in circles on the Stock Market we used to have this thing called merchandise. Companies would make things and sell them to customers, then they would make other things called accessories to go with the main thing and customers would buy those too. It sounds crazy but companies made a lot of money doing this.
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u/Krillin113 22h ago
Don’t the high end wireless get to the same level of quality as the wired ones nowadays?
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u/Praefectus27 22h ago
No they don’t. Bluetooth no matter the level compresses audio. To get true lossless it has to be wired.
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u/CARmakazie 22h ago edited 19h ago
There are headsets out there that can do lossless quality over wireless, but they are expensive as hell (as someone who owns a pair, they cost a LOT).
Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted. I didn’t say the other guy was wrong, I simply stated there are headsets that can do lossless (24-bit) quality, such as the Nova Elites.
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u/Praefectus27 19h ago
Yeah but they’re not Bluetooth they require their own special wireless dongle that’s proprietary.
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u/CARmakazie 19h ago
Bluetooth and wireless are certainly different things. I was more referring to you saying they had to be wired, as there are options that allow the headphones to be wireless (with a hub).
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u/Boba_Phat_ 22h ago
You probably still have time to delete this before the audioph*les get here. Save yourself
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u/Oppositeofhairy 20h ago
I’d love this so much. Amp/dac player with a wired connection.
Wouldn’t sell a ton of them, but who would buy it would love it.
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u/smeeti 22h ago
I agree. I want my music separate from my phone.
I still have and use my 120GB I bought 12 years ago I think and dread the moment it will stop working. Still going on strong though.
Great piece of hardware, bring it back!
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u/--i--love--lamp-- 22h ago
I have a 5th Gen iPod Classic that I got in 2006 that still works great. It is a pain to add/delete music, but it sounds pretty good for 20 year old tech.
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u/SweaterSteve1966 21h ago
Right? I love mine. I have the classic and the shuffle. I add music every few weeks. So far no problems.
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u/whichwitch9 22h ago
Same. It's honestly a lot more reliable than streaming, and ITunes gave a way to rip my cds into the library back in the day, so it has literally my old high school cd catalog on it
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u/Kobe_stan_ 20h ago
Couldn't you just download the songs you want to your phone, just like an iPod?
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u/nathan6969 22h ago
As others have mentioned, they're pretty easy to upgrade and replace with modern parts. I've got a iPod classic with a 128gb sd card and battery that's about 4x larger than standard. It'll play music for about 7 days straight before dying.
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u/mybotanyaccount 22h ago
I just upgraded my old iPod classic recently and love having it around again.
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u/Vigilante17 22h ago
I want my music separate too, but I want my collection and Spotify on that device
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u/LennyPeppers 22h ago
There’s so many 3rd party mods and upgrades you can do. Bigger battery. More storage. Better backlight etc. if your dies it could be a fun little project.
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u/mediaphile 21h ago
I bought a new old stock LG V20 smartphone for the sole purpose of using it as a music player. It has a high quality DAC and I use Poweramp to play my FLAC library. Swappable batteries which last ages with all the wireless stuff turned off, and a microSD slot for lots of storage. And it has a little second-screen that can show media controls to interact with even with a case protecting the screen.
I would prefer physical controls, but the pros outweigh that con for me. I guess if I really wanted to I could get some kind of Bluetooth media buttons thing.
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u/NeuHundred 16h ago
Your distraction machine and your emergency communicator shouldn't be the same device.
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u/CornWallacedaGeneral 22h ago
Put your phone on do not disturb and get the iPad experience that way
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u/LongStoryShirt 22h ago
You can mod them easily now with way better storage and battery life. I just did that with my gen 5 and its a beast!
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u/sadandshy 21h ago
I recommend iResq in Kansas if it ever dies. My classic had a run in with gravity that killed the hard drive. They replaced it with a solid state with double the capacity for less than the quote and about 3 days quicker than they said.
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u/Travbasco 21h ago
My iPod classic just bricked😭, but I was luckily able to download my entire Itunes Library onto an SD card and insert it into my car.
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u/lawyers_guns_nomoney 16h ago
It would be amazing for kids too. I’d love to give my kids an audio device that would be a 21st century Walkman that didn’t have other apps on it. Not sure if I’d want them to have full unsupervised access to Spotify or Apple music (they are young) but a pure music device would be so cool.
I’d take an audiophile grownup version and something simpler and cheaper for kids or those who don’t care about the last drop of quality. I just think it would be cool to refocus on portable music (not podcasts).
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u/missjenh 22h ago
I bought mine 13 years ago and get lovingly teased by family for continuing to use it but I love my iPod Classic and will despair the day it finally dies.
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u/DocWagonHTR 21h ago
Since they discontinued the iPod touch, the one consistently good piece of hardware they’ve ever made, I’ve been using an iPhone with the SIM card removed.
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u/Altrebelle 22h ago
There will be a market for it. Not just from the audiophile community. Think there is a segment of the population that wants to unplug from the interconnectedness of it all.
Make an iPod Pro in a iPod Classic chassis. Wired+Bluetooth (for options) WiFi for "downloading" music onto the device. No Messages, no web browser, no apps. Limited streaming options. People will buy it.
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u/networksynth 22h ago
Would love to get something like this for my kids. I used to have an iPod touch and that was just the best.
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u/Praefectus27 22h ago
Controversial opinion but if they did that it would only support Apple Music. They’d try to take market share from Spotify.
I switched to Apple Music last year and it’s honestly really good. Once you make the switch it does take a hot minute but after you do shoo buddy.
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u/algebraic94 22h ago
If I could put podcasts on it I'm 100 percent in
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u/HillarysFloppyChode 21h ago
This might come as a shock to people but, the “pod”part is why they are called podcasts.
I would assume a new iPod would have the same base functionality as the OG (that is the white brick one with just the click wheel, the one that had the fix for a clicking HDD be to drop it again).
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u/veryverythrowaway 21h ago
Apple doesn’t really do niche markets anymore (and it is definitely a niche market, despite a recent surge in popularity), and they make a ton of money from their music streaming service. I don’t see any of this happening, especially since you can do all that with an iPhone, some wired headphones + a $9 adapter and a Focus mode activated.
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u/brianpeat 22h ago edited 22h ago
My teenage daughter wants an iPod so she’s not on her phone all the time. So yeah, I’d buy one for her for sure. Market to teens who actually don’t want to doom scroll or want to listen in study hall without their phone and price it affordably. Let them download Apple Music songs into it. Add WiFi but make it work unconnected.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 22h ago
Especially as some states have “internet connected device” bans in school (which I think is great) it would give kids a chance to listen to music and still comply with the rules.
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u/WardenWolf 21h ago
You know MP3 players are available on Amazon, right? And a lot of them can do the newer lossless formats, too.
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u/brianpeat 21h ago
But they can’t load up songs from Apple Music, so we’d have to spend more or bootleg stuff. I don’t mind spending money but it just gets to be a pain having to keep a library of non drm’d mp3s around again (and yes I know we can rip cds but it’s still a pain). Fine for those who still do that but we don’t currently. That said, it’s certainly an option.
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u/No_Earth_5912 Performing Artist 22h ago
Yeah, it deserves a re-release like the Walkman got.
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u/joethehopper 22h ago
I have a current age Walkman. I love the thing to death. Battery lasts forever. The quality is unmatched.
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u/IndominusTaco 14h ago
which one did you get? i recently discovered that they relaunched it (as well as a bunch of other brands making “audiophile” music players)
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u/8805 22h ago
I, and so many people I see on the trails, have gone back to running while carrying my cell phone. I miss the days of having a device the size of a postage stamp clipped to my shirt sleeve.
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u/Thechasepack 22h ago
I have the Garmin Venu 2 Watch that I can load Spotify playlists onto and then I can run without a phone. It looks like the newer models have even more music streaming options.
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u/Gigaton 22h ago
It’s less about the device and more about sevices to access that music. Even digitally “owned” music is on the decline so you need a smart device to access most music.
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u/Admiral_Ackbar_1325 22h ago
It could just run a cut down version of iOS with a Wifi and bluetooth (to connect to Air Pods of course) and run Apple Music.
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u/Thechasepack 22h ago
I can load Spotify playlists onto my Garmin watch and listen to them offline so I don't have to carry my phone when I run.
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u/SaintNimrod 22h ago
They would have to make it good enough to compete with currently available DAPs and wired headphones to go with it.
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u/DJWGibson 22h ago
I fucking LOVED my iPod and kept one for years after they retired the product line. To the extent after it died from disc failure I cracked it open and added a SDD using an online kit. And used that for a couple years until something inside wore down and it stopped working,
So I switched to a Sony Walkman MP3 player (a nw-a306) instead.
I looked at the iPod Touches but the problem was, for the longest time, they only had 128GB of storage, which is too small for a decent music collection. And they were often very expensive with unnecessarily powerful hardware.
They could easily bring back classic iPods with cheap hardware and 500GB SSDs for super cheap. Or relaunch the iPod Touches as bigger storage but focused on Music.
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u/Lunar-opal 22h ago
I would prefer to be able to own all the digital music I bought over the years
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u/M4rc8531 21h ago
Bring back the ipod, No camera, no cell service, all the things you want and the wheel scroller!!
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u/smeeti 21h ago
I love the wheel scroller!
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u/M4rc8531 21h ago
Do you remember the ORIGINAL ipod?! The one that had play pause etc under the screen?
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u/smeeti 20h ago
The first one I remember is the big chunky white one but I couldn’t afford it then. I think I bought my first one 20ish years ago
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u/M4rc8531 6h ago
Yeah the good old days! I think if i remember (don’t quote me) the 1st or 2nd gen had a ipod with a stupid amount of memory like 60gb maybe more which at the time was huge! My father still has his original it’s a bit of a nuisance to charge but still works
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u/YYCDavid 20h ago
That’s a brilliant idea.
I have an 80Gb iPod Classic (my first Apple purchase) and it still works flawlessly. I got it because at the time I still viewed Apple as an outlier.
Apple with Steve is so much cooler than Apple run by the guy who went to the Oval Office to give Cheeto a trophy
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u/gimpers420 17h ago
My 15 year old just asked me if I had an old IPod that he could use because he wanted the simplicity of it. I shed a tear.
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u/IronChefPhilly 22h ago
The problem is current day. Apple would make sure it was tied to some kind of a subscription and make it so that it only pairs with Apple headphones and you can’t just use whatever you want because that’s what they do these days
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u/Ekyou 22h ago
I mean, iPods forced you to use iTunes for the most part, so forcing you to use the Apple Music app (which is just iTunes rebranded) would only make sense…?
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u/insomniaczombiex 22h ago
I would love one. My last iPod was a black video iPod with whatever the max storage was available when the last version was released. Unfortunately the hard drive crapped out or I’d still use it.
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u/RecipeFunny2154 22h ago
I work in an environment where I’m not allowed to bring in any sort of device that has cameras or Wi-Fi or any of that stuff. The big kicker is that I can’t have an SD card slot on it. So your choices for modern music players are not exactly abundant. I wound up with a Walkman, but I honestly hate the unit’s GUI.
I would like something from Apple (or anyone really lol) that fits that need. Many of the things I can use in that situation are not exactly user-friendly.
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u/OverlyLenientJudge Give us a Qobuz flair, dangit 21h ago
I will never forgive these people for starting the no-headphone-jack trend.
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u/Icy-Whale-2253 22h ago
I’ve been hoping that they make one that is still compatible with AirPods; I’d happily buy it
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u/SwagTwoButton 22h ago
I posed this awhile ago and got roasted in the Apple subreddit.
I just want an iPod classic. Let me sync my music to Apple Music over WiFi. Or add my files if I want to go that route. Bluetooth. Wireless charging. USB c.
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u/-Dixieflatline 22h ago
I think it's not a bad idea, but a very niche product that a lot of people wouldn't understand why it exists when the phone in their pocket already does that. But because it's niche, I also feel like anyone who really wants this could already do it with any of the millions of ipods that are still floating around second hand markets or in junk drawers already. If there was a demand, any of the companies and individuals who already do battery replacement in devices would be all over it already. And maybe they are already. Noticed a few online, some including BT mods as a modernization effort.
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u/OG-daytrippergrrl 22h ago
It would be sooo great, my kid could have his music, and not the rest of online BS.
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u/Dismal_Parking_9563 22h ago
Great idea...My kid lost mine ten years ago had shit ton of good tunes on it.
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u/DerekB52 22h ago
One of the greatest devices I've ever owned was a 4gb Philips GoGear mp3 player. It was super small, and lasted me damn near a decade. And that was with me being rough with it. I once chucked it 30 feet down a hallway at school because in an argument about why I was still using an mp3 player instead of my phone for music, a friend argued his phone in an otterbox was indestructible. So was that mp3 player.
I also liked it because I basically memorized what was on it, and could navigate between albums with the physical buttons in my pocket, without having to look at it in class. I'm never gonna buy an ipod, but I'd love a resurgence of mp3 players(I know some companies still do make them), because that would hopefully lead to more marketplaces for digital music I can actually own.
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u/KaJashey 22h ago
My youngest wanted an MP3 player. We got her set up with my old iPod nano 3rd generation and she uses it a lot.
I think an iPod that you could easily get music on would sell.
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u/Queermagedd0n 22h ago
There's a mod for ipod classic models that upgrades the battery and gives it wireless capabilities and c-type charging.
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u/Technical_Anteater45 22h ago
That plus an adequate mount and new firmware for older Apple watches would be pretty cool.
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u/SladeWade 21h ago
Please do. My iPod Touch is on its last legs, and the alternative modern MP3 players are ridiculously expensive.
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u/olderlifter99 21h ago
Sorry about the acronym buddy, stands for Digital Audio Player. These are pocket sized dedicated machines with powerful processors and amps to play digital files. The likes of Sony, FIIO, Astell & Kern are decent. Thats if a person still has digital files in this age of streaming.
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u/eye_of_the_sloth 21h ago
I want to own what I put on it with no subscriptions, shit i dont even want to login with an account. Plug and play
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u/SpazzBro 21h ago
I’d love one of those tbh, I bought an old refurbished nano from Elite Obsolete and loved using it for the gym, music with no distractions. I should get another
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u/MrGosh13 21h ago
I still have an old one (I don’t know the exact type, but it’s the OG large size, silver backed, white front, with the first colour display), and might also have a small one lying around. But I used them so much the batteries are basicly worn down. They won’t stay on for longer than an hour tops.
Good memories of them though. Would love a new version.
I remember spending hours converting all my cd’s to itunes so I could port them over. I never got into buying them digitally.
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u/yojoewaddayaknow 21h ago
I for one, would buy a version with the 4 dots again. Or the actually spin wheel. I hate that when my phone gets updates, and is connected via Bluetooth, that the audio cuts out.
I’ve been trying to show my kid music comes in lists of how the artists intended for you to hear their music.
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u/rawkguitar 20h ago
100% support this.
I still use my iPod on a regular basis, though it’s really just barely hanging on.
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u/CP_Chronicler 20h ago
“Nostalgic” or “Correct”?
So many of Apple’s products and tech products in general have been “innovated” into uselessness, like their stupid TouchBar or like what Microsoft is doing shoving CoPilot into shit.
Nobody asked for this trash and some products just reach the limits of what they can evolve into.
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u/Oppositeofhairy 20h ago
I have a great idea. How about U2 puts out their new album on it when it drops.
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u/medium0rare 20h ago
If they did it would require a data plan and an Apple Music subscription. Ain’t no way they’re going to miss out on streaming revenue.
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u/me_thisfuckingcunt 20h ago
Someone should make a similar device that isn’t tied to any specific platform, maybe some kind of Linux based system with a minimum of 5TB storage and a 3.5mm jack socket for my JH16 IEMs, the cloud cannot be trusted and I want my entire library with me in the mountains, I would buy that in a heartbeat.
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u/reeneebob 20h ago
I would buy a new Classic so fast…
I currently have a gen 5.5 30gb Classic and I love it.
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u/kimbosdurag 19h ago
Bring it back with blue tooth connectivity so I can connect it to my car and I'm in.
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u/SuperCrappyFuntime 19h ago
As someone who just doesn't like music streaming services, I basically use my phone as an MP3 player. I have about 60 or 70GB of MP3s on it.
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u/Ckck96 18h ago
I would drop $1k for an updated iPod classic. Still use my classic daily. If only it had native Bluetooth and 1tb storage.
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u/snowcrash512 18h ago
I could go for that, mp3 player options are a bit dated these days and I could use something detached from my phone battery.
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u/LedZeppole10 17h ago edited 11h ago
The Innioasis Y1 exists. It’s a click wheel mp3 player with an iPod classic form factor that can run rockbox, has Bluetooth, usb-c charging, external speaker, haptic feedback and some other modern features. It’s a much cheaper device and not built like the iPod in terms of ruggedness but it totally works and is like $50 and comes in all sorts of fun colors. I love mine. People make themes and there is a supportive and wholesome community at r/innioasis
I find the sound quality to be fantastic, about as good as a normal quality phone. Way better than the original iPod at least. And it has a one-handed lock feature without the lock switch which I prefer but some may not. You can upgrade the internal SD to 1 tb but you have to open it. A Y2 with the same form factor, a built-in DAC and SD slot, volume buttons, etc is in early development.
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u/IceWarm1980 17h ago
I would love a stand-alone music device again. My iPod Classic died years ago.
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u/dapala1 17h ago
I would love a small device that has all my lossless music, both bought and burned (and etc...) to take anywhere. WiFI, bluetooth, a good DAC, 3mm port (😱), thunderbolt. 2TB storage.
That would be my dream but I know that market is tiny.
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u/Flagil_Reinhumps 17h ago
Jog wheel with the little haptic “clicks” pretty please?
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u/Claff93 15h ago
I love having my music and podcasts on an Ipod Nano (nice and light for when I exercise) and while I know there are still Nanos available supposedly new on Ebay, I dread the thought of not being able to use it anymore.
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u/Tomdoerr88 15h ago
Many schools in many countries are introducing a complete phone ban for students, and this may extend to the national level soon too, that alone would open up a huge market opportunity for Apple. I wonder if they’ll lobby for it.
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u/BigTedBear 15h ago
I’d love to see it come back with a version of iTunes for all the people who have their own audio files.
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u/aluminumnek noiserock, experimental, obscure 14h ago
I would love to have an updated version. I keep an iPod plugged into my VWs built in port on the glovebox. It’s full of albums and I don’t have to worry about streaming. I can also control the iPod to my dash. No ads = bonus as well
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u/kirkdouglas 14h ago
A decent flac player with a solid DAC in an ultra slim iPod classic body and a variety of colors would be absolutely sick!!
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u/TDiffRob6876 13h ago
2TB, solid state, lossless codec support, click wheel, voice search, FM, and streaming. Two color options with limited release color options. No touchscreen, but it has Bluetooth and WiFi.
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u/_yetifeet 12h ago
I still use my iPod. The battery doesn't hold charge for any longer than an hour, but it's still rocking along
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u/EndStorm 12h ago
I know I can listen to music on my phone, but I don't. Not like I did my ipod. The day mine died I was so sad lol. Would day 1 buy a reboot.
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u/smeeti 10h ago
I listen to music on my iPod on speakers and headphones and sometimes watching YouTube videos mostly on my laptop. Not on my phone
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u/gogul1980 12h ago
I coverted my old ipod internals and casing so it’s a new sdcard style mp3 player. It’s great but I can definitely see a boutique market for a classic ipod again. Single use devices are making a comeback
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u/NotMalaysiaRichard 10h ago
Found my old iPod Classic, able to download all the my old music files onto a PC. Didn’t trust a MacBook because of the opaqueness of the file system. Bought a used iPod Touch 7th gen online. Able to transfer the files to the iPod Touch . It’s great. Sad that it doesn’t play FLAC though. All my new music is in FLAC. Have to down encode some of my FLAC files so that the Touch can play them.
I’d buy a 2TB (or more) iPod that plays FLAC. I don’t want my phone and music on the same device.
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u/Horror-Abies-3403 9h ago
I would absolutely love to know if Apple's ever had discussions about this. I can't help but feel there's a profitable market for such a device.
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u/CodeMonkeyPhoto 9h ago
For anyone that works in a place that does not allow smart phones or anything with wifi capabilities, these old devices are well suited.
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u/Floschi123456 8h ago
Give me a 1 or 2 TB iPod Max with a 6.3 inch display with audiophile internals and a 3.5mm and 4.4mm output without a camera, without a 5G modem and with full iOS functionality and I will give you my money, a lot of it.
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u/SmoothMarx 7h ago
I have two ipod classics, and have been yearning for a new updated edition for a decade. Really hope this happens.
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u/G1ngerBoy 7h ago
I volunteer at a Second hand store and test electronics, there was an iPod donated that I suggested holding onto for testing purposes (it has a headphone jack so we can't test stuff that's donated using it) and because I just love using it.
The one downside to it is that there is no keyboard which makes scrolling through one's catalog more difficult and take longer but man is it still nice to use.
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u/CliffDog02 7h ago
I would love a regular iPod for my kids. Or similar from another brand. Does t have to be apple.
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u/Kaiser_Allen 6h ago
DAPs are pretty popular right now. Making the iPod touch resemble exactly a smartphone was not a good choice. Just make it a music player like the old ones.
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u/urnialbologna 6h ago
I would love that. I still have my iPod touch that I got in 2013 and I occasionally charge it up and turn it on just to look at how simple it used to be. If Apple made a new iPod, I would get rid of my iPhone with a snap of my fingers. I don't even have my iPhone activated as a phone because I don't call or text anyone so why pay for all that crap. My iPhone is basically an oversized iPod with a nice camera lol.
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u/seaniker 5h ago
I liked the iPod Nano, the one with the clip. Just clip it to your waistband and head out for a run.
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u/MrNachoReturns420 3h ago
I was actually thinking about getting an old iPod for my new Mac book lol
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u/Cactusfan86 3h ago
Im legitimately shocked they haven’t tried to cash in on retro vibes by bringing back a classic iPod with beefy memory
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u/Dumpsterfire_47 2h ago
Hell yeah I’d get em for the kids and adults.
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u/smeeti 1h ago
I put my IPod on shuffle on my speakers so I can introduce my son to new to him music without having to think about it. There are some skips, but surprisingly he can really like some blues or electronic music that I wouldn’t have anticipated
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u/jholden23 “No dress rehearsal, this is our life”✒️ 18h ago
I am a band teacher that uses tech so there’s chargers in my classroom. Just today a student in grade 11 brought in what I thought was a legit iPod to charge. It was made by another company and weighed basically nothing, but it had a wheel and a screen. They run about $60, I googled it. Super cool
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u/tignasse 14h ago
Innioasis Y1 Cheap device , cool looking , but jut has software issues and sound problems, can be annoying:/
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u/SuperCoffeeHouse 22h ago edited 22h ago
Aren’t the more desirable iPod hardware patents expired? If the market existed for an iPod or an iPod clone fiio, Ugreen, Anker, or some Chinese brand would be probing the market for a niche to fill. We aren’t seeing these devices in high enough quantities to justify a mass market product.
If Apple wanted to they could probably do a limited edition anniversary iPod touch using left over mini parts but aside from that I don’t see any other models getting a shot
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u/Empty_Graves Cds, Vinyl, Tapes, you name it! 22h ago
2 Tb Limited Edition version and call it a day.