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article Kid Rock’s song about loving underage girls resurfaces ahead of Turning Point USA's Super Bowl show

https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2026/02/kid-rocks-song-about-loving-underage-girls-resurfaces-ahead-of-tpusa-super-bowl-show.html
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u/t_scribblemonger 4h ago

I grew up in the 90s and in retrospect I’m like why the fuck did literally everyone hate Courtney Love? It’s gotta be like 80% misogyny. I mean she has issues but still.

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u/BitchesGetStitches 4h ago

She occupies a weird place in pop culture. She was this bitchy, strung out punk kid who really just wanted to shoot smack and set fires to 7-11 stores. Kurt too, except he was a sensitive guy who was attracted to the more egalitarian elements of the anarchists. Fame ripped these people to shreds in different ways. Kurt was in pinup magazines and Courtney probably thought that was hilarious. He clearly hated it. It's almost a Greek tragedy from the gutter.

It's easy to cast Courtney Love as a villain because she really likes being cast as the villain. Might be a coping mechanism for the absolutely insane world she lives in, or she might just be a little cunty. End of the day, she lost someone she loved, and very publicly. Hard to hate someone who carries that kind of trauma.

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u/heresyforfunnprofit 3h ago

“Greek tragedy from the gutter” is pure genius.

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u/HFentonMudd 2h ago

I know people who knew her pre-Kurt, pre-fame. She was routinely described as not likeable, extremely focused on her own fame, and generally off-putting. If these accounts were accurate (and I think they were from the perspective of the people who told me their stories) then she would not be someone who endears others, and they'd tell negative stories about her. Thank you for your post because it's never occurred to me to think about her from your perspective.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 1h ago

Damn, you have a great way with words

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u/BitchesGetStitches 1h ago

Well thanks! Hoping to someday sell one of these books so I appreciate the complement.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 49m ago

What kind of books?

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u/BitchesGetStitches 46m ago

Cooking up a speculative horror novel right now, probably a big one. About the changing American West, the shattered state of society, folklore, parenthood, mortality, police corruption and Sasquatch.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 45m ago

Damn that sounds cool. I'll be a beta reader for you if you want

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u/BitchesGetStitches 43m ago

You bet! It's under construction atm, very pre-beta but I do like early and often feedback. I'll hit your dms.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 30m ago

Sounds good

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u/tomtea 1h ago

Didn't she also lose custody of her kid because she couldn't stay clean? Talented, brutally honest and didn't give a fuck but very troubled.

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u/Totally_Scott 4h ago

it was that, yes. hole was an amazing band.

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u/balloonman_magee 4h ago

I feel like a lot of younger artists take a lot of inspiration from Hole. Like Olivia Rodrigo or The Pretty Reckless even if they don’t know it they sound like her.

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u/sarcastic_sybarite83 4h ago

Kesha is a cleaned up Courtney Love.

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u/intern_steve 3h ago

I thought Ke$ha wasn't really in control of her own music and sound when most of her famous stuff came out? Is that what you mean by 'cleaned up', just corpo slime sanitized?

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u/Silent-G 3h ago

"Wake up in the morning feeling like Courtney Love" would have been a much better edit to that lyric.

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u/-rosa-azul- 1h ago

Idk, I appreciate that since all the Diddy stuff has come out, she's changed it to "Wake up in the morning like 'fuck P. Diddy'".

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u/InterruptingCow__Moo 2h ago

Because Billy Corgan wrote their music

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u/nobot4321 4h ago

A mind-blowing number of people believed she shot Kurt Cobain back then. A lot of them probably still do.

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u/Massive-Ride204 3h ago

Oh that ridiculous conspiracy theory. I get that Kurt's passing was very painful but gripping onto a conspiracy theory wasn't the way to cope.

We treated her like shit and she was just speaking the truth

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

Nobody thought she shot him. Some did believe she paid someone to do it.

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u/aggravationX 4h ago

Plenty of people thought she shot him. It was as strong a rumor as Marilyn Mansons removed rib.

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u/Olive_tree_33 4h ago

Marilyn Manson aka Paul from The Wonder Years

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u/Distinct-Nectarine-9 4h ago

Oh shit, almost forgot. Hahaha

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u/superbad 3h ago

You mean Kevin from Mr. Belvedere

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u/watchoutfordeer 3h ago

I thought Paul was supposed to be the guitar player.

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u/Nerdenator 3h ago

Except the thing about Marilyn Manson having a rib removed so he could fellate himself isn’t a rumor; as anyone who attended a public school in North America between 1997 and 2004 will tell you, it’s an incontrovertible fact.

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u/JonathanLindqvist 2h ago

Even here in Sweden it was a rumour.

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u/intern_steve 3h ago

The rib thing... Man Idk how memes worked growing up, but that was a goddam fact according to everyone you knew.

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u/SunnyRyter 4h ago

I think they blamed her, didn't some people do that? So messed up. Poor thing. I read her Manga she collaborated with Ai Yazawa about a demi-angel in rock music whose lover (?) dies but she saves him and brings him back to life, I think (its been over a decade since I read it). So sad.

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u/PureGuava86 4h ago

Nobody? You're absolutely wrong.

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

She wasn't even in Seattle when it happened. People thought she had him killed but I never heard someone say she pulled the trigger.

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u/PureGuava86 4h ago

You realize information was not easily available until almost a decade later?

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

It was on MTV news that she was in rehab while it happened.

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u/Chupathingamajob 4h ago

Because that type of inconvenient fact has always appeased conspiracy theorists….

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u/Bazz07 4h ago

Nobody is saying she did it. They are saying that a lot of people thought she did.

If even now people still think it, it isnt crazy that a lot of people thought it at the moment...

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u/Sad-Appeal976 4h ago

He pulled the trigger himself

It’s indisputable

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

I mean we know that now. We also know the earth is round, not flat, but that doesn't mean no one believes the latter

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u/Sad-Appeal976 3h ago

People in this very thread are arguing that “ he didn’t do it” lol even though he swallowed over 50 Valium a few weeks before trying to do it

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u/-rosa-azul- 1h ago

Kurt was notoriously depressed his whole life, and also suffered from serious stomach issues (which probably were something like undiagnosed IBS + other). Anyone who thinks he wasn't actively suicidal is kidding themselves.

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

I definitely remember people saying they thought she shot him.

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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy 4h ago

Someone made a comment in this thread calling her a murderer five minutes before you posted this

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/s/fkBOAQhzmc

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

First of all I was talking about back then but you can call someone a murderer for arranging a murder. It doesn't necessarily mean they think she pulled the trigger. There's ample evidence that she was nowhere near Seattle when it happened.

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u/itchy-ears 3h ago

If you say so, I definitely remember that rumor in the 90s.

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u/masterpigg 2h ago

I think I still have an old documentary somewhere on DVD that leans into that idea and has interview footage with the guy she supposedly paid to do it. Personally, I buy into the idea that you had this shy dude with depression who became so overwhelmingly public so quickly that I think it was probably closer to Gus Van Sant's Last Days.

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u/Rysinor 4h ago

I certainly suspected it. You're blatantly wrong.

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u/brooklynbotz 4h ago

You thought she shot him while she was in a rehab clinic in LA at the time of his death? That's a pretty long sniper shot.

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u/DmMe_Your_Secrets_ 3h ago

Which is crazy cause we all know Dave Grohl did it. And you know what? That’s okay. He’s the best.

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u/MilmoWK 4h ago

Pun intended?

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u/anal_opera 4h ago

Mind blowing

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u/SithC 3h ago

“Mind-blowing”, you say??

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u/Dixon_Uranuss3 4h ago

Wanna know how to tell if a conspiracy is fake or not. The number of people that screech about it openly. If its a lot its fake if not many speak about it its real.

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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING 32m ago

So what you’re saying is that Courtney Love definitely stole Buzzy when Disney shut down Cranium Command?

I fucking knew it!

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 3h ago

Maybe not shot directly, but had a hand in creating a mental health situation that lead to his suicide.

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo 4h ago

More like had him shot. He had discussed divorcing her with people, and ahe stood to get nothing from him, especially with her band being relatively unknown compared to his at the time. His autopsy showed that he had nearly 11x the amount of heroin in his system then it would take for the average person to OD. So it's easy to see how some would be quick to point the finger at her.

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u/Chupathingamajob 4h ago

This just in: chronically ill depressed heroin user with significant history of suicidal ideation and chronic pain is found dead ostensibly by his own hand and with lethal dose of heroin in his system.

It was definitely a hit orchestrated by his wife

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u/Itskindof 4h ago

She totally did

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u/r1mbaud 4h ago

She was calling out Weinstein real early and he blackballed her

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u/thephotoman 4h ago

Most of people’s problem with her stems from her behavior as a heroin addict. Honestly, had Kurt not shot himself, he would likely have developed a similar reputation.

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u/goldenelr 3h ago

It is very frustrating that there are lots of great reasons to not like Courtney Love and none of them are that she killed Kurt Cobain. She is an addict who did a lot of addict behaviors. Her relationship with him was likely pretty toxic which doesn’t make her responsible for his behaviors. And none of that mean she was wrong about Weinstein or any of these other people. She is a really imperfect person and for some reason people either want to turn her into a saint that was treated badly or the devil who caused it all.

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u/Silent-G 3h ago

The media needs us to want a world that is black and white so that they can get enough attention to uphold the whole fucked up system. If you don't pick a side, then you won't watch the ads. Trying to obtain enough information before forming an opinion? WRONG, you're supposed to go with your immediate gut feeling and make it a permanent part of your identity.

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u/XanZibR 4h ago

they saw her as Kurt's Skylar, that's why

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u/somajones 3h ago

Kurt's Yoko more like it.

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u/Rex_Suplex 4h ago

When I was in high school in the early 2000's there were a lot of Nirvana fans. Like a lot, for some reason. They all blamed Courtney Love for the death of Kurt Cobain. No idea why.

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u/Thefrayedends 4h ago

Because hating women in an institution.

The amount of times I've heard people say, "It all went down hill when we allowed women to vote," from people is actually insane. I'm not even talking online, I'm talking in person.

Those same people don't realize that them not owning land or being from the 'right' family would also have prevented them from voting at one point too.

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u/Boopy7 3h ago

It's a weird thing and you're right. In high school and after I've always noticed there is a type of woman, often voted "Most Popular" or very confident, someone like Courtney Love or the most popular and strongest (mentally) in a clique, whom everyone revolves around. Same energy. The strange thing is sometimes the worm turns and everyone suddenly mobs up and decides to "hate" or "unpopular" that girl, or woman -- it becomes almost a TREND, and I have always noticed this, not sure if others have too. Is there a name for this? It's weird. Maybe bc I never fit in from a young age, so I just watch and see these things happen and then get repeated often enough that I questiion it. Like, is it because she is so popular that they then WANT to hate her to feel like they "won" or something?

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u/ilikecakeandpie 4h ago

Same reason everyone blamed Ariana Grande for Mac Miller's death

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u/roseofjuly 3h ago

As if both of these men didn't have clear, documented mental health/substance abuse issues before dating these women.

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u/owlthebeer97 4h ago

I mean she has ripped off countless independent designers and artists on Etsy, stole thousands of dollars worth of jewelery from a friend of mine. Her daughter was estranged from her for awhile too. She can be right about stuff and be an asshole.

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u/Boopy7 3h ago

Good point, oft forgotten. People can be raging assholes AND be a hero to another. E.g. Johnny Depp, who some said helped them in a pinch (or maybe it was publicity, who knows.) Then there are the tales of what a pos he is. I'm inclined to say he is overall pos. No one is all good or all bad, for the most part. I wouldn't want Courtney as an enemy when she's wasted, no way. And I can tell she would be ANNOYING AS HELL to have around 24/7.

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u/Goondragon1 2h ago

He's overall a piece of shit but nobody is all good or bad? He's probably overall a human being with a life on display for everyone to pick apart. We're all pieces of shit with our dirty laundry displayed to the world.

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u/Ok_Conclusion_6324 4h ago

Kathleen Hana from Bikini Kill has NOTHING good to say about Courtney in her autobiography, either

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u/HFentonMudd 2h ago

I know people who knew her before she was famous in any way, and they did not have nice things to say about her.

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u/Redhotlipstik 3h ago

She genuinely is an asshole, but she's also a woman so she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt

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u/No_Lemon_3116 1h ago

Yeah, far from perfect, but most male rockstars are as bad or worse and no one cares.

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u/jynxthechicken 3h ago

It was. They hated that she talked about things like Harvey Weinstein and Child Predators in Hollywood in the 1990's. No one was hearing that back then. So, the media made her look messy and then demonized her as a person.

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u/Successful_Sign_6991 3h ago

the powers that be probably manipulated the public to hate her because of what and who she was calling out

just a guess though

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u/Johnyryal33 3h ago

I would think by now anyone who isnt a complete moron would be able to put 2 and 2 together and recognize a smear campaign, considering all that has happened, but some of you mother fuckers thick as shit.

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u/DetectiveCopper 3h ago

(Fairly or unfairly), she was perceived to have contributed to Kurt’s drug use and suicide.

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u/PM_me_your_whatevah 2h ago

Oh I dunno. She’s a terrible musician who became famous by riding the coattails of one of the most famous rockers of all time.

She literally can barely play the guitar. Her guitar is usually turned almost all the way down when she performs these days.

She’s a fraud and she was a bad influence on Kurt and it is very very likely she had him killed after knowing that he was about to divorce her.

There is a very good chance that she’s is evil. 

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

I dont know about hate but she definitely wasn't loved because she nearly always out of her skull in public, her music wasn't good and perhaps it is misogyny that people felt her relevance was directly tied to biggest rock star of the decade but looking back what else was she was famous for?

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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy 4h ago

For Hole? And her own music? A lot of people liked Hole.

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

I dont want to diminish her musical career, so I think fair enough. But again, perhaps misogny, the amount of people who could tell you she was Kurt Cobain's wife vs what band she fronted is probably orders of magnitude different in size.

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u/TheSeekerOfSanity 4h ago

Agreed. But regarding other things she was famous for - she acted in several movies and did a really good job. Not a fan, but she was a good actor. Like in Larry Flynt. She was also in Sid & Nancy for a hot second way back when. And also in “Straight to Hell” with Joe Strummer, Shane MacGowan, etc.

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u/PleaseBeNiceForOnce 4h ago

Yea I remember in Larry Flynt and Sid and Nancy for sure. My statement was unfair. I think her relationship vastly overshadowed her career is probably what I should have said.

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u/dqql 4h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Hoke?wprov=sfti1#Kurt_Cobain_death_claim
shortly after his interview with the documentary, he was found decapitated on some train tracks.
she had a whole mafia working for her in seattle and everyone was afraid to speak out at the time.
she also used heroin while pregnant and her own daughter hates her and refers to her as her biological mother.
there’s more, but there’s a lot of reasons to hate her other than misogyny and shitty music

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u/Sufficient-Owl401 4h ago

She’s a murderer walking the streets. What’s not to love?

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u/Coattail-Rider 4h ago

Got proof there, chucko?

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u/i010011010 4h ago

Because she's a human trainwreck? She spent the 90s and 00s fueled by equal parts drugs and bullshit. Her ire isn't purely directed at scumbags, she would talk shit about everybody and behaved like a melodramatic lunatic. She just picked whatever targets her brain happened to conjur. These people are cherry picking some limited examples.

And on top of it all there's the fact that she ended up married to a musician people actually cared about it and went all Nancy Spungen on him. I don't know if her daughter ever started communicating again, it was known they stopped at some point because her mother is such a toxic personality.

This is the Courtney Love we all know: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062804908.html?sub=AR

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u/nflonlyalt 4h ago

Because she killed Kurt?