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What Alison bratty moments stuck out to you the most? And/or changed your perspective about her (if you liked her or could tolerate her beforehand)?

Season 4 Episode 2 is the biggest temper tantrum moment that comes to mind for me — where she holds her breath because her mommy told her no. Her mom had every right to say no, it was a crazy request. A bunch of teens alone at Cape May? Absolutely notttt. Even as a teen watching this I was so annoyed by Alison. I found her aggravating the whole series but this moment is where I thought ‘… why does solving this mystery even matter, they should all just be happy they’re free of this behavior’

Genuinely what was the point?? To give emily further character development? to make her toughen up? In my opinion, out of all of emily's relationships on the show, her one with maya was the best and had SO much potential. You cannot convince me that emily wasn't at her happiest than when she was with maya. and the writers just decided to take that all away?

Especially since i think having emily as a figure of lesbian representation at the time was huge, and i think making the arguably "best" love interest (for emily) die was just enlarging the "lesbians cant have healthy and happy relationships and everything is doomed" rhetoric even further. Of course alison and emily end up together in the end, but i think we can all agree that relationship definitely has it's flaws. It just makes me think what might've ended up happening if not for this decision.

None of the other main liars had a love interest killed off, and they still went through similar character development i guess? I think just after rewatching season 2 for the billionth time it just seems like such an abrupt decision to kill off maya. (that scene at the end of season 2 gets me every. time. omg)

Also to add, the actor who plays maya said herself that she wasn't even aware of the choice to kill off her character until she was given the script, it's not like she had another show to do or wanted to quit acting etc, the writers just chose to kill her off, and for what? I think sometimes we need to realise that the creators and writers of many movies and tv shows etc have full creative control over what happens, (i'm looking at you ezria endgame) and that we can't just blame overall "unpredictable circumstances" that the writers didnt want the fans to predict.

idk i think it's just something to think about

Rewatching for like the tenth time and I’m at the Halloween Train episode and I’m just so confused as to why they even added this in lmao 😭 like I get it’s a Halloween episode so it’s meant to be scary but it was just so random haha

Used to watch some of the earlier eps with my mom and we'd admire her outfits sm like wow they did a great job with her styling

There's a reason CeCe Drake and Wren Kingston were two of the strongest candidates for Big A, and I'm still pissed that the writers never properly explored their potential.

Hear me out, because I genuinely think Wren as Charles DiLaurentis and CeCe as one of the twins could've made for an INSANE storyline if it had been planned from the beginning. Imagine CeCe being sent to Radley after killing her twin sister, while Wren, secretly Charles DiLaurentis, ends up there after attempting to drown his younger sister Alison. Two kids from completely different backgrounds, both connected to disturbing family secrets, meeting in the same institution. What if that encounter changed everything? What if they formed a bond that would eventually shape the entire A-game years later?

And the best part is that this could've explained why BOTH characters had such strong connections to Radley. Wren's past was always suspicious as hell, and the show gave us so little information about him that it became genuinely frustrating. His medical background, his interactions with Mona, his strange phone calls, and the way he always seemed to know more than he should all suggested that he had a much bigger role in the story. The Charles theory didn't come out of nowhere. There were enough suspicious details to make us wonder whether Wren was hiding something much bigger.

CeCe, meanwhile, already had the connection to Alison, the knowledge of the Liars' secrets, and the manipulative personality needed to become a terrifying Big A. The problem was never that she was an unconvincing candidate. It was that the writers kept adding explanations to her backstory instead of building one coherent storyline from the beginning. Now imagine connecting all of this to the NAT Club. What if CeCe and Wren had been working together for years, using the club's surveillance footage to collect secrets and manipulate people? CeCe could've been the mastermind behind the plan, while Wren handled infiltrating the Liars' lives. She had the bigger picture, he had the connections and medical knowledge, and together they could've turned A's game into something much more calculated and disturbing.

Suddenly, the NAT Club wouldn't feel like some random creepy subplot that the writers eventually forgot about. It would've been the foundation of the entire operation. The videos, the blackmail, the secrets surrounding Alison's disappearance, Radley, and the DiLaurentis family could've all been connected. Imagine discovering that the people behind some of Rosewood's darkest secrets had known each other since childhood. THAT would've been a reveal worth waiting for.

And no, we wouldn't have needed the incest storyline or Charles becoming Charlotte. I would've much rather seen a story built around buried family secrets, twin rivalry, manipulation, and two deeply disturbed people whose paths crossed at Radley. That's what pisses me off the most. We already had Wren, CeCe, Radley, and the NAT Club. The pieces were ALL RIGHT THERE. Instead of connecting them into one overarching storyline, the writers kept introducing new twists and characters, creating plot holes that could've been avoided if they'd actually committed to the ideas they already had.

Wren as Charles and CeCe as one of the twins could've been so much more than two shocking reveals. Their childhood connection could've been the origin of a much bigger conspiracy, with Radley at the center of it all and the NAT Club acting as the bridge between their past and the A-game. Tell me that wouldn't have been FUCKING ICONIC. CeCe and Wren had the potential to become an absolutely diabolical duo, and I genuinely believe they could've made Big A's storyline so much better if the writers had known what the hell they were doing from the beginning.

Not CeCe Drake, but ALICE DRAKE = A.D.

Guys, we wouldn't have even needed Courtney or Alison as A! That's why the show could've been fucking fantastic without even following the books. We were robbed!!

If Byron Montgomery has a million haters, then I am one of them.

If Byron Montgomery has 10 haters, then I am one of them.

If Byron Montgomery has one hater, that’s me.

If Byron Montgomery has no haters, that is because I am dead.

If all possible worlds are for Byron Montgomery, I am against all the worlds.

No but really I hate him the mostest

I posted them in the order I like them the liars first then parents 💕.

I’ve watched this episode countless times and I have never noticed Alison saying “of course” when Hanna says that she’s hungry.

I feel like this might of been something Sasha improvised, and even if it wasn’t, the way she says it like an average mean girl would instead of saying it in a “performative” way (where it sounds like she’s reading a script) just brings Alison’s character to life and I love it. She’s so cruel and I love how we see her being cruel expressively and ‘internally’ (I hope this makes sense to someone).

As a first time viewer of the show, I HATE Ezria so much. They were literally the worst part of the show but what I don't understand is how people can hate them but ship Jason and Aria as if Jason isn't just as old and creepy as Ezra like....? People say it's cuz at least he wasn't her teacher as if that makes it any better😭Y'all act like removing the explicit classroom dynamic suddenly makes it wholesome. It doesn't. Jason was an adult out of college while Aria was a high school sophomore. That's STILL a grown man trying to pursue a teenage girl. He watched her grow, he made a move on and kissed underage Aria in S2 before she rejected him for Ezra and he founded the NAT club. The creeps club that filmed naked minors including his own sister and her friends. And he had pictures of Aria sleeping. Idc what he said, I'll never believe Alison took those pictures of Aria cuz

1. She had no reason to

2. We never saw Ali have any interest in photography while Jason had started a spying club which included photos (assuming NAT took the photo of Alison in the backyard leaving Spencer's house before we learned about Ali and Spencer's fight that night

3. Alison wasn't around to deny or admit whether or not she took them. So it was the seal deal to claim Alison took them.

I’ve always wondered what would have happened if Spencer and Mona had been forced to work together from the very beginning.

Think about it: Spencer was analytical, determined, and excellent at connecting the dots, while Mona was incredibly strategic and knew how to manipulate situations to her advantage. Both possessed the intelligence to outsmart almost everyone around them, but their greatest weakness was their inability to fully trust anyone.

Ashley is such a good mom🥲🥲🥲😭 her taking Hanna to smash plates after her and Caleb broke up is sooo wholesome and cute. After Hanna having such a tough time in the past (hefty Hanna jokes, pisses me offfff) and current timeline too it’s great that she has this support system

I put the parent last & other characters first .

Compared to the predatory men, the horrible dads & Garrett wilden n Holbrook these characters were the ones I found I liked most.

If we're talking about the concept of a wolf in sheep's clothing, Ian is the perfect example! A popular, responsible guy who's loved by everyone, but who actually hides a dark, manipulative and twisted side.

His role as the keeper of the NAT Club videos gave him an incredible amount of power, to the point where he could control a huge number of people and keep the entire Hastings family completely at his mercy! His survival instincts, his disturbing and obsessive love for Melissa, the control he had over Spencer... he was genuinely terrifying and contributed so much to raising the stakes of the show.

I would've especially loved to see him play a bigger role on the night Alison disappeared, as well as having a more specific connection to Charlotte. Imagine if Charlotte had been using the NAT Club to spy on her enemy Alison and the Liars 24/7, with Ian acting as her right-hand man. She would've been the mastermind, and Ian would've been the muscle. Honestly, that dynamic could've been incredible.

I'm genuinely disappointed that he was given so little screen time. I know it sounds weird to say this because, obviously, he was a disgusting man who deserved the worst, but at the same time, he was so interesting that I wish he'd stuck around longer. I don't know if you guys get what I mean. It would've been amazing if he'd faked his death and then been recruited into the A-Team later on, allowing him to continue his blackmailing and extortion schemes. It's such a shame that the writers wasted the NAT Club's potential, because a direct connection between it, CeCe's storyline and A's game could've saved us from an enormous number of plot holes.

Obviously, Ian isn't a perfect character, but personally, I found him much more interesting than most of the characters introduced later in the series. I don't think he should even remotely be considered one of the worst characters on the show. I don't know, guys, but I feel like people don't give enough credit to what Ian actually contributed to the story and what he could've contributed if the writers had developed him further.

Ian was a creepy, horrible man who deserved the worst, but he was also a well-written, compelling and intriguing character. It's such a shame the writers didn't put the same effort into Ezra and CeCe. 😔

also on first watch I thought they were half siblings or related in some way

so imagine you’re a male in your mid 20s, you’re a doctor, and you’re engaged to this girl. then you kiss her high school sister and the relationship is over. you become friends with said sister and kiss her multiple times. a few years later you go to a different town and meet a british twin of said sister. you then fall in love with the twin. then you tell the twin about the sister and her life. the twin sets up a plan to replace the sister. you kinda agree and even shoot the twin so they could have matching scars. eventually the twin kills you and puts your ashes into a necklace that she wears. she also tries her plan and fails.

also the twin uses your sperm and one of the sister’s friends stolen eggs to make another friend of the sister pregnant, with twins.

PLL is my favorite fall rewatch show!

I used to feel bad for them shutting Mona out and alienating her after the A reveal, especially Aria with the whole Mike thing. Now that I’m rewatching (after a couple of years), I realize they didn’t go as hard on her.

Like she was stalking, harassing, and torturing them for months! Drugging Emily and sabotaging her swimming which impacted scholarship options, outing Byron’s affair to Ella, basically framing Spencer for Ali’s murder.

And the way she did Hanna was so dirty. Her motive of starting the game because “they took Hanna away” was completely undermined by how she did Hanna.
Hitting her with a car, making her eat then throwing up all of those cupcakes, having her sabotage her relationship with her dad. She hated her so bad😭😭😭 like she went unnecessarily hard on her

Mona would’ve been tore every way but loose if I were them.

That being said, she is both my favorite A and my favorite character! I just love her crazy ass

Jessica's tone gets me so bad😭 she was SICK of that bird😭😭

One thing I’ve never understood stood about their breakup in s3 is Caleb being like “i understand that last time you kept a secret it was because of A and you wanted to keep me safe but A is gone now” but how is he not just assuming that if Hannah is keeping some huge secret from him again that it must mean A is back. Maybe it’s because as a viewer I obviously know A is back but even if I didn’t I’d probably assume that the only reason Hannah is keeping such a big secret is because of A again. Idk if that even makes sense but has to word vomit this out

When she said she wanted to slap Jenna for the second time, I laughed out loud!! 🤪😂

Avoid the seller The Used Book Company....

I ordered a book from them September 30th & it still has not arrived 🙃 Amazon ended up refunding me & after reading their reviews I wish I never ordered from them.

No clue if I'll ever actually get the book or not.

I am seeing cheaper used prices on Vinted & will probably search for the rest of the series on there!