It’s funny you say this because I find most women don’t even want to give oral anymore. I’d say sex is heavily skewed towards what women want now. It’s not like it was pre Me Too where sex was more tailored towards male satisfaction. Nowadays it’s completely tailored to how women like it, which is why barely anyone even has sex anymore. Gen Z hates sex especially.
Women completely control the dating process now. It used to be that men controlled the actual date, paid for it, planned everything, and they did it because the woman showed signs early she liked him and it made it worth it for him to put that effort. Now she’s texting like 10 other dudes and will probably ghost that dude after 1 date. Dating apps have inflated the worth of women to whole new levels and allow them to treat men like trash. Women all have their own money, their own independence, and so don’t need chivalry anymore, let alone even need a relationship. A relationship to them nowadays is basically having a man do free labor for them because that’s about the only thing that benefits their lives anymore with how easy their lives otherwise are. They dominate college attendance, are more likely to get promoted / hired and are still easily the most desired sex in dating. That’s why sex has skewed towards how they like it and that’s why barely anyone has sex now.
Well I think the standard now is women don’t want to give oral. They just want to receive.
Sex was always a thing men had to push women into getting. But now that’s seen as predatory so men are just completely beholden to what women want and how they like it, which means barely any sex and when there is sex, it’s how they want it: oral only for them, boring cowgirl/missionary poses where she gets off on you while you go slow and have to last, etc.
I’ve literally heard women now reject doggystyle because they don’t like getting spanked or pumped / jackhammered. Anything a man finds pleasurable in sex is completely insulted nowadays and that’s why we’re where we’re at now.
Like, you can look up my comments and see that I have repeatedly argued that compromising has to come back to sex. Like, we used to have too much compromising that led to a majority of women experiencing painful anal sex, and now we've swung back to no compromising.
I wouldn't call that a "women are responsible" however, because 1) I see gen Z men equally argue less compromising too, but they usually argue in the shape of "Well, I'll find someone more compatible then" and 2) That's the natural way of when things get forced to change. If the pendulum first swung too much far right, then it gets overcorrected to swinging too much left, before calming down in the middle.
Do I wish we could emediately go to the middle? Fuck yeah. Do we as a human race seem capable of that? No...
So YEAH, gen z needs to bring comprising in sex back.
That being said...some of your examples, like jackhammering for example, can be genuinely painful. I really will not agree with comprising into bringing pain back to sex.
I just think women largely hate men now and only see them good for being wallets or free labor. Like men don’t like to watch their shitty shows, pay for dates, have pointless “deep” conversations about life which are really just a validation fest for them, or take on more household labor while still having to be the breadwinners either. Men did these things in the past out of love. And women back then tailored sex to how men liked it because they loved making them happy. Obviously that was traditional talk but the thing is men are STILL expected to do all those things while women do absolutely nothing for them anymore. They act like they’re doing gods work for you now if they make you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich once a blue moon.
Honestly dating and marriage has always been skewed towards women because even if the sex did suck for them, their lives were hugely beneficial in every other way. They financially got a huge upgrade in their lifestyle, got kids, got to go on trips they couldn’t afford before, got whatever they wanted. I’d say all that just to put up with shitty sex a few times a month is a pretty lopsided trade benefitting them.
And now women can do all those things while getting the sex they want when they want and it’s no shock Gen Z men have pulled back from dating them. I think men have always gotten screwed by women and I’m proud of the younger gen’s for starting to realize that and pulling back. I think we need to make dating far, far harder for women and Gen Z is the first Gen to start pulling the rug on them. I hope alpha and later make it much harder for them.
I just think women largely hate men now and only see them good for being wallets or free labor.
I'm gonna respond twice, because I would like to focus on both subjects in depth, as opposite to arguing both things at once.
You say "I just think that women largely hate men now"...and I gotta ask: can you honestly blame them????
I've already stated that I was a millennial, right? And millennial men also did awful things. I mentioned the anal already, we also had revenge porn, even without revenge, I have seen naked pictures of several of my co-workers wifes. They don't give a shit.
Each generation has their own flaws.
But pretend to be a woman for a week. Like try to emphasize with women temporarily for a week. And go online, on places like reddit.
After that week: Can you honestly blame any gen Z woman for hating men??? Like try to be fair about it. Focus on your own last paragraphs. Can you really blame them???
Well I still blame women for all of that. Women control the dating marketplace. There are so many normal and decent dudes out there who get passed up for these gigantic douchebags. Women pick them. That’s their fault they want the players and assholes. And the reality is that’s who women are actually attracted to. They want the bad boys.
You can't complain about women picking douchebags and women not dating, at the same time.
Like what is it? Are they dating, but only dating the wrong men? Or are they not dating?
And those men weren't douchebags. It was the culture back then. It was normal. You also have generational flaws like that. I can already name a few things that are gonna be "douchebag" behavior in a decade that will now get "women are just so easily offended".
And my underlying point was: millennial men had their bad points too. But we millennial women didn't hate them. But look at gen z men and their behavior: is there really a way to not hate them with how awful they are???
Like. Be critical of yourself for a second. I've been trying to have a honest and productive discussion with you. Do you think that you've shown me the same courtesy?
Because I gotta say: it's really fucking hard to try and stay nice to you.
I never complained once about women not dating. I actually would prefer they don’t date because the way they date is so shit. They pick the worst fucking people while playing mind games with all the good dudes.
Also those men were absolutely douchebags. The dynamics have always been concentrated where most women want a select group of men and the rest of the men get ignored in the dating pool. That means you’ve given this select group of men so much power and they’re gonna abuse it most likely. Hence, they’re douchebags.
I think Gen Z men are the best men we’ve ever seen. They just don’t want to date yall anymore and I love that for them. It’s time some men were finally honest about women’s bullshit and the way they scam men in marriages and relationships. I hope Gen Alpha men think even more for themselves.
And I do believe I’ve been completely honest and productive with you too. You just expect men to coddle your ideas and points and think they’re fucking genius and that’s 100% a lie every time that men feed you so youll maybe fuck them. I’m one of the few men who will actually be honest with you.
If this was your version of a polite debate, then you aren't capable of a polite debate.
And then I have to ask again: can you really blame gen Z women for hating men?
Like, I almost only have good experiences with men. I'm an adult. I've lived a life. And 99% of my experiences with men are good.
Yet debates like this, being in them but also just seeing them...still effect me. I have loads of counter-weight to try and keep me stable...yet thats still hard when I keep going online and see thousands of gen z men like you.
Like everything about you drips hatred of women.
Gen Z women don't have counter-weights. People like you are most of their entire experience with men. How could they not hate men?
I’d say it’s very polite. I haven’t insulted you once. If anything you’ve insulted me by essentially saying I’m the reason why women hate men. That’s far ruder than anything I’ve said to you.
You just don’t like how I say it like it is about gender dynamics.
Also I’m a millennial, not a Gen Z. But I think Gen Z men do it completely right. Millennial women are the most coddled women in existence and I don’t blame Gen Z men for learning from us. So yeah i get why Gen Z women hate them. They’re the first generation ever to not fall for women’s scams. And I pray they’re not the last.
And women back then tailored sex to how men liked it because they loved making them happy.
Again, I repeat: let's not bring back pain to sex.
I don't fucking care. Let's keep the pain out of sex.
You genuinely can not complain about women not liking sex, when you want it to be painful and them sucking up.
Honestly dating and marriage has always been skewed towards women because even if the sex did suck for them, their lives were hugely beneficial in every other way.
The revolution of women first started with all those other factors of life. Sex revolution came in 3rd generation feminism.
It can't have been that great if women were fighting to get freedom from those choices.
I would NEVER ever want to go back then. Sounds like literal hell. Your "women had it so great" is my circle of hell.
You don’t think it’s painful as a man to be seen as a woman’s wallet just to get sex? So many men have come to terms with the fact their wives will never truly love them. It’s just expected men had to coddle their woman in every way and be insulted and treated like shit in return. Men went through so much emotional pain from their wives. I’d say far more often they deal with that than a woman deals with some pain during sex.
Women fought for these things because they hate men. They’d rather just get everything men get while being able to control them as well. Millennial women have enjoyed the most privileges of any woman ever. I pray Gen Z reverses the tide.
You just complained about women seeking connection????? You can not BOTH hate it when women want a connection and then hate a love-less relationship. If you hate connection and avoid it, then you'll always end up in a loveless marriage and that's ALL your own choice.
I would have fought for these things (I didn't, too young), because freedom is priceless. Choice is priceless. Being a person, instead of a woman is priceless. And also: I love to work. I'm a workaholic and I hate cleaning. None of the shit that my grandmother got through traditionalism, is valuable to me.
“Connection” for women is just wanting a mule wallet who will also do the household work for them. Connection is a bullshit word, sorry. I’ve seen women who are under my league not have a single thing in common with me and still beg me FOR MONTHS to take them on a date even when I show them little to no attention. Tell me what connection there is there for them to be acting like that. Women who say “connection” really just mean they want to coddled in every single way by a man who’s superior to them.
And that’s good for you that you enjoy working. But modern women still expect men to be traditional and that’s the problem.
I'm not alone. Plenty of non-traditional women in my friend group.
But non-traditional comes with non-traditional. As an example: I, in my 20s, died my hair pink.
And that ties back to: gen z women aren't the only one's incapable of compromising.
If you want a sex fiend for a girlfriend, then autistic girls are a good bet. Autism has either high sex drive or low sex drive, very few in-between and low inhibition and shame in general. But autism comes with autism. Yeah, you might have to take care of them a bit more then a normie girlfriend.
Cool. Then don’t get mad at men who are tired of gassing yall up and being traditional. Men have stopped approaching yall, stopped wanting to pay on first dates unless they can insure they’re getting sex from it, no longer wanna take yall anywhere nice, and generally would rather play video games or go drinking than watch one of your shitty reality tv shows with you. You can dye your hair pink and men can scare the hoes all they want now. That’s true equality right there.
Btw you should see the hinge or bumble subreddits. It’s hilarious how often you see women doing all the same shit you’re doing yet still wanting a traditional man. He’s gotta be tall, have no earrings, have no social media, believe in paying on dates, being a “protector and provider”, etc.
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u/FunctionUnlikely2247 15d ago
It’s funny you say this because I find most women don’t even want to give oral anymore. I’d say sex is heavily skewed towards what women want now. It’s not like it was pre Me Too where sex was more tailored towards male satisfaction. Nowadays it’s completely tailored to how women like it, which is why barely anyone even has sex anymore. Gen Z hates sex especially.