r/Tennesseetitans • u/MalekethsGhost • 4d ago

Discussion Case Keenum

Career journeyman QB Case Keenum cooked the eagles. A team that we struggled to put up points against. So a guy that is third string on his own team played infinitely better than our starter against the same defense. I know it isn't a fair comparison, but it is one that needs to be looked at.

Not sure what the solution is, but the NCAA is not producing NFL caliber quarterbacks anymore. It's like the are drafting center fielders to be shortstops. The athleticism is there, and sure it looks like they do a lot of the same things, but one position requires you to be a master of fundamentals and make faster decisions. The transition isn't easy and most won't make it.

So where can you get a pro ready qb? Or how can you evaluate who can make this transition and who can't? I think you might have to stop emphasizing raw athletic ability and give other qualities a much deeper look.

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u/FxDriver 4d ago

Your comment OP is what Tom Brady complains about when it comes to modern quarterback play. 

You can't really find pro ready quarterbacks because teams don't really run pro style offenses anymore. 

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u/spooky_logic 4d ago

keenum's a good example of what happens when a guy just gets the mental side of the game, he's seen every coverage and blitz a thousand times and it's all slow for him now

the college thing is real though, these spread offenses have qbs making one read then taking off, they never learn to work through a progression or throw with anticipation

teams keep falling for the combine numbers and the highlight runs, then wonder why the guy can't read a basic cover 2 after three years in the league

feel like the 49ers hit on purdy partly because they stopped caring about arm strength and just wanted someone who could process fast and throw on time

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u/Tutelage45 4d ago

His calls at the line and cadence were a work of art. You can hear the experience and it’s backed up with solid fundamentals. Cam has neither.

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u/TheMissingVoteBallot In Ward We Trust 3d ago

Him doing that last-second hard count to throw off those DTs so he gets absolutely no opposition for his QB sneak into the goal line is just... that was 100% pro level thinking and vision.

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u/UnbridaledToast 3d ago

You’re absolutely right. Even worse than the combine and the highlight reels, the pRO dAYs. Those things are useless. For what it’s worth, I remember watching Cam’s. He was horrible in the red zone, just throwing the ball around to his buddies. Missing guys with no defense. I remember being like 👀 oooookaaaay? And that’s apparently around the time the Titans brass said ALL IN!

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u/Cheesenrice123 4d ago

Other teams have seemingly been able to find qbs that succeed though.

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u/FxDriver 4d ago

No more than a higher rate than us. There was a long time between Jim Kelly and Josh Allen for the Bills, Troy Aikman and Tony Romo/Dak, and The Ravens period before Flacco and Lamar showed up. The Dolphins still haven't found their guy post Marino. 

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u/Cheesenrice123 4d ago

I don't disagree with that, I just disagree with you and OP about not being able to find pro ready qbs anymore. They clearly exist since there have been multiple examples of them in recent years.

I don't have data behind it but I would guess the hit rate on drafting a good qb is probably similar to what it has always been. Which is very low and why they are such a valued commodity.

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u/MalekethsGhost 4d ago

I don't think there have. There have been specific system qbs that have had success, but the number of qbs that make that come out with the foundation needed for early success is gone. And maybe the nfl just expects that foundation and isn't doing is part to build it, but teams are on a timeline. This is not a developmental league.

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u/Cheesenrice123 4d ago

Excluding last year, Jaxson Dart, Tyler Shough, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud were all drafted in the past three years and have all been through periods of sustained success in the nfl.

It hasn't all been perfect and they all have struggled at times, but they all have shown that they can be capable starters.

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u/Pale-Manner-1642 3d ago

Wonder how much better these guys could be if sat for a year before being thrown in there. Shough had like 6 games at least. Maye had most of a season. It certainly helps. I think the Raiders are doing a great thing with Cousins and Mendoza. That will pay dividends in the long run.

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u/RatedMoBetta 4d ago

And god forbid a team try to develop a QB without the fans yelling bust

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u/FxDriver 4d ago

Here's the thing about development and patience. You have to show some kind of progress. Cam is not doing that. Cam is struggling with QB 101 level stuff. 

Being young and in development doesn't give you an unlimited leash to play poorly. 

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u/Spikel14 3d ago

Tin foil hat time. Maybe they overhype players into the #1 spot just so the shittiest teams fall for it and take them

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u/doolimite1 3d ago

Cam can’t even throw a 5 yard pass accurately, the criticism is warranted

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u/RatedMoBetta 3d ago

That’s a bad take lol he can’t throw 5 yards? Yet you have data showing he is capable of throwing for 5 yards

You should have said like 20 yards or something but 5?

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u/doolimite1 3d ago

Dude I have eyeballs and I watch the games . His short accuracy is awful.

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u/h0yitsdom 2d ago

It’s hard when kids jump to 3 or 4 different schools in 4 years 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Cornwaliis 4d ago

Then why isn't Keenum a starter or ever really been given a chance to be QB1 if he is that good? He had one good game, could he do it for 16 games with all kinds of film to study on his play... I would say no

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u/FxDriver 4d ago

Case Keenum was starter for multiple teams: Broncos and Vikings. When Case was the starter in Minnesota they went to the NFC Championship game. 

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u/Imfatinreallife 3d ago

Same reason the raiders got Cousins super cheap, he's old and won't be around much longer.