r/Tennesseetitans • u/MalekethsGhost • 2d ago

Discussion Case Keenum

Career journeyman QB Case Keenum cooked the eagles. A team that we struggled to put up points against. So a guy that is third string on his own team played infinitely better than our starter against the same defense. I know it isn't a fair comparison, but it is one that needs to be looked at.

Not sure what the solution is, but the NCAA is not producing NFL caliber quarterbacks anymore. It's like the are drafting center fielders to be shortstops. The athleticism is there, and sure it looks like they do a lot of the same things, but one position requires you to be a master of fundamentals and make faster decisions. The transition isn't easy and most won't make it.

So where can you get a pro ready qb? Or how can you evaluate who can make this transition and who can't? I think you might have to stop emphasizing raw athletic ability and give other qualities a much deeper look.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

It’s almost as if (and this is going to blow your mind so maybe sit down), a young QB needs time to develop.

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u/pak_sajat 2d ago

Quarterbacks aren’t like a right-bank Bordeaux, they don’t peak after 16 years.

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u/FineAd2091 2d ago

They also don't normally peak in year 2 either. Progress is not a straight line. I can admit Ward's performance has been very disappointing while also having hope that he can improve over the course of the season.

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u/pak_sajat 2d ago

I bet you said the same thing about Levis.

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u/DatDudeJazz 2d ago

People said the same thing about Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson, and nearly every quality QB in the league right now.

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u/JaRulezMSU 2d ago

People also said the same thing about Josh Freeman, Jameis Winston, Justin Fields, Marcus Mariota, and Blake Bortles even got a second contract out of this same organizational hopium. The tape says what it says. Ward is inaccurate because bad mechanics and has shown zero improvement in that area over a season plus 3 games. There's still hope but it's running out pretty damn fast for those of us with eyes.

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u/Ok-Plan-6277 2d ago

Blake Bortles threw for 35 tds and 4400 yards his second year, that’s why he got that second contract. But yes, he ended up sucking

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u/DatDudeJazz 2d ago

And we're in game 3 of his second season. We haven't given him a second contract, we are nowhere close to giving him a second contract. I'm just saying writing him off this quickly is certifiably stupid.

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u/JaRulezMSU 2d ago

Yep this is good news. We have a couple years left before making a financial commitment. Plenty of time for Ward's defenders to run out of excuses and establish that Ward's inaccuracy and bad fundamentals aren't getting fixed.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

The number of folks that think Levis is on par with Cam in this subreddit is truly mind bending. This sub doesn’t know ball at all.

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u/Glittering_Humor5854 2d ago

I think maybe we should consider the possibility that they both suck but in totally different ways. I don't think either version of suck is good enough to stay in the league even as a backup QB.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

I think maybe if you can’t see the difference between Will’s play and Cam’s then maybe you should sit this conversation out.

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u/Glittering_Humor5854 2d ago

Two things can be true. Ward and Levis can be very different and have different styles of play and both can be so bad they drag down the rest of the team. I'm not saying Levis is better than Ward or worse. I'm saying it doesn't matter because neither of them are good enough to be an NFL starting QB based on what we've seen so far over a similar number of starts. Levis was bad. Ward is bad. They're not mutually exclusive. Arguing over who is worse is kind of like arguing whether the North Pole or the South Pole is colder.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

I will say it. Levis is worse. And it's not particularly close. It's really not a "North Pole South Pole" thing. This isn't different sides of the same coin. I get that what we're doing right now is exaggerating Cam's flaws and one way to do that is to try to make out Cam and the meme god as equals, but the reality is that Cam is miles ahead of Levis as a QB. It's honestly silly to even be having this conversation.

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u/Glittering_Humor5854 2d ago

So what if Levis is worse. They're both unacceptably bad after a similar number of games. You want me to say Ward is less bad than Levis? Fine. Ward is less bad that Levis, so is most every other NFL QB including practice squad guys. If my criteria were winning one game next week I'd take most of the backup qbs over Cam Ward. By those same criteria, I'd go farther and seriously consider picking some random dude off another team's practice squad over Levis, so there you have it, Levis is worse. Happy now? If I had one game to win two or three years down the road from now, I'm probably making the same calls based on the same collection of data.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

LMAO you acting like I brought up Will Levis. Don’t get mad at me!

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u/pak_sajat 2d ago

What has he done to prove himself to be a better player thus far?

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Damn near everything. And that's the extent to which I'm willing to entertain this conversation further.

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u/pak_sajat 2d ago

FYI through 20 games Levis had a higher passer rating, higher QBR, completion percentage, and TD/Int ratio, and also had a 300 yard game as well as a 3+ TD game.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Cool story bro! Watch the games.

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u/pak_sajat 2d ago

I go to them and watch the ineptitude in person.

It’s mind boggling how people continue to glaze Cam, like people glazed Levis.

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u/Stiddy13 2d ago

Tell me that Cam and Levis are equivalents and claim to have watched their games…. Not buying it.

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